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Cheryl thinks Danyl sings flat...
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Jeromeboi22
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by jock_f:
“That is not the issue. It is why she selected to have a go at him when no-one on the show seems able to sing totally in tune”

coz he was clearly a semitone out for a good 5 seconds. that is equivalent to an eternity in music!
she was right to bring it up because that is her job.
i agree that no one last night - not even joe - was in tune throughout their performance, but danyl was very out. however, all in all, he did the best performance, after joe that is!
Orchid50
22-11-2009
Yes, Cheryl was correct, he was out of tune!

I like Danyl but he messed that one up.
kleinzach
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“If he had sung it like that - or tried to - people would have said it was karaoke.

I'm not 'making a mistake' when I say it was emotional, it was emotional - it invoked emotion - I thought it was thrilling - I was totally engaged from start to finish.

What you couldn't 'read' from his performance, might just not exist FOR YOU - it doesn't mean it is not there.”

Ok so he interpreted the song. However, he interpreted it wrong. It isn't a song about anger, and he sounded angry.
Rhumbatugger
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by kleinzach:
“Ok so he interpreted the song. However, he interpreted it wrong. It isn't a song about anger, and he sounded angry.”

Of course he's angry - with himself, he's metaphorically 'beating his breast' the song is about guilt and regret at the protagonists own betrayal and subsequent loss of innocence and happiness.

It's not a simple song, and it's not just about feeling 'a bit sad'.
Menk
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by soneil:
“Well then, I suspect that Danyl Johnson might be very *big in Japan*. ”

Haha - that made me laugh!
tommygunner
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“So why does everyone think this great singing thing is such a big deal?”

In this case, because Danyl supporters have consistently claimed that his singing is above reproach. It's quite amusing to read some of the same people now claiming that singing flat doesn't really matter, or that musical tones are matters of opinion, or, most bizarrely, that Asian music has a different tonal system so it's all relative anyway—no matter that he was singing a composition by two Englishmen.

It's true that Danyl wasn't the only offender last night, as I mentioned in an earlier post. But attacking Cheryl Cole for all manner of sins against music and crimes against toilet attendants doesn't change the fact that when she said Danyl was "flat in parts" she was right.
dome
22-11-2009
Cheryl is the queen of singing flat, not only that but her speaking voice is a flat monotone as well.

Shame she hasn't noticed Lloyd's tuning issues every week.
Menk
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by kleinzach:
“Ok so he interpreted the song. However, he interpreted it wrong. It isn't a song about anger, and he sounded angry.”

You can interpret a song differently to the original - it's not against the rules Louis!
Flamethrower100
22-11-2009
I wouldn't discribe him as having flat vocals, it's just that he sounds like he's impersonateing someone else. And he can't prenounce words when he sings either. It also sounds like he has an american accent when he sings.
kleinzach
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Of course he's angry - with himself, he's metaphorically 'beating his breast' the song is about guilt and regret at the protagonists own betrayal and subsequent loss of innocence and happiness.

It's not a simple song, and it's not just about feeling 'a bit sad'.”


So he is taking a partner to the dancefloor angrily? That doesn't make sense. The whole song is set on the dancefloor:

"Tonight the music seems so loud, I wish that we could lose this crowd.....Please stay"

Where does the anger come in?
Jeromeboi22
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by dome:
“Cheryl is the queen of singing flat, not only that but her speaking voice is a flat monotone as well.

Shame she hasn't noticed Lloyd's tuning issues every week.”

funny thing is... cheryl didn't sing flat in her performance on xfactor.
i'm not saying she's perfectly in tune all the time, but she's not 'the queen of singing flat'.
deev1ne0ne
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by Jeromeboi22:
“funny thing is... cheryl didn't sing flat in her performance on xfactor.
i'm not saying she's perfectly in tune all the time, but she's not 'the queen of singing flat'.”

No - she's the queen of most over-hyped, well-scrubbed rubes.
Tumblin Dice
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by dome:
“Shame she hasn't noticed Lloyd's tuning issues every week.”

A much stronger argument against Cheryl than the claptrap some folks have written about her not being able to sing.

Lloyd is comically flat on a way to regular basis.
lightblues
22-11-2009
Originally Posted by temsonic:
“My point is, how far we are willing to accept a singer singing 'out of tune' is down to our personal tastes, and how we perceive the effect of them doing so.

If Danyl tried to sing a concert pitch A, we can accurately measure whether his voice resonates at 440Hz. If it did, he's in tune. That's where the external pre-defined scale comes in. The thing is, all singers sing notes that are 'out of tune' with the standard semi-tone scale, but we accept it to varying degrees.

Lets take Whitney (or any other diva) as an example and the way they add massive amounts of vibrato to a big note. Vibrato by it's very nature is gently and rapidly altering the pitch of a note up and down very slightly. They are not altering it by whole semi-tones (or they'd sound like a police siren), so technically they are not accurately singing the note and are 'out of tune'.

Different singers use this 'singing off the note' technique to produce different effects, and it's this that we either like or dislike.”

good point,even Leona likes to sing off her high notes for 'effect' sometimes hitting a tone sharper,good only if you can hit the original note cleanly though.she does it well..though it can be irritating.
asy1mpo
22-11-2009
She was right though. First part wasnt abit flat and out of tune
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