Of course. That's exactly what it is. That is all it is. There is absolutely no chance that there may be a shred of truth to any or all of these stories

Seeing as I have posted before, when the incident happened, that I had been told about Danyl's comments to Stacey before the incident was even reported and that the comments were far worse than what was stated or hinted at in the reports, I have no problem believing anything that may be said about him now. Nothing could be much worse than what I was told.

I try to stay calm but the main reason why I don't post too often is because it's difficult to stay calm in the face of some people who would deny any likelihood of him probably not being the hard done by victim they would like to believe he is.

But we are not all the same - I personally don't deny that there may be some truth,even entire truth to the rumours.

But I don't have the information you do, nor do I know you personally, or have anyway to judge that information for myself.

See, you make good points - but only if you can agree that it HAS to work both ways for reasonable people. How can I, as a human being, judge one man, that I have never met, on what OTHERS say about him. Ok, I would be in the wrong if I said "Its all rubbish, no doubt Danyl is perfect in every way" or even if I said " I don't believe ANY of it" etc etc.

What I say, is that from a personal point of view, with the only info I have coming from newspapers that are suspect to say the least, and from people who I am unable to be sure in my own mind have no hidden agenda, none of whom I have any personal connection to, I need to give benefit of the doubt.

Danyl HAS had some good press as well, but a lot of people conveniently ignore that.

My question is - How can I judge with absolutely no point of known reference?

Therefore I err on the side of caution, rather than add to the destruction of another human being, who MAY not deserve it.

Thats me. Take it as you will.

What did you hear Danyl said to Stacey?

Danyl's a victim, of being overhyped by Simon and being sold as 'The Next Big Thing'. I probably would have quite liked the guy as hes reasonably talented without the constant proclaiming from Simon thats hes 'The Messiah of Modern Music'.

But like everyone I hate being told what to think, I like to make up my own opinion so everytime a negative article comes out about him I think subconsciously I love to hear it because it feeds the part of my ego that says 'I told you so!'

You quote my post and then say "Of course that is what it is .." followed by something that cannot be logically deduced from my comment and then you have the cheek to roll your eyes at me??? FFS!!

In what strange world does challanging the notion that newpaper reports seeming to come from various sources means that there has to be some truth in it equate to "is absolutely no chance that there may be a shred of truth to any or all of these stories "?????



You beleive what you like, my comment still stands



I find it hard to stay calm when people equate not accepting a newspaper report as the truth means that it is not possible for it to be true and misrepresent my comments accordingly.

I personnally can't remember anyone saying that it is not possible for them to be true. Not being prepared to beleive something without good reason is not the same thing.

He is undoubtedly a victim of people beleiving and asserting as truth unsubstantuated allegations. He is a victim of Cheryl and Loius making comments about his character on the main programme that have no relevance to his performance.

Even if you are 100% convinced that someone is guilty of crime A, how does that make them guilty of B, C and D?

Personally, I don't believe rumours. I'll wait for evidence rather than prejudge. I wouldn't want people to prejudge me so I don't do it to them.

So what is this piece of hearsay and who was in the room at the time that reported it verbatim to you?

If you're not prepared to say it's nothing but rumour and propaganda as far as I'm concerned.

Without doubt, I think he is a victim. I am astounded by the vitriol being directed against him in the press and on the forums. Unless viewers know him personally, they ought to take comments from unattributed sources with a pinch of salt.

It seems to me that someone has an agenda here, and I'm not just talking about Miss Cole.

The irony being if you believe everything the press says, you're being told what to think.

Ah but it appears that we have to be convinced that it is true or be convinced that it is false. Apparantly pointing out that we can't know it it true is the same as stating it could not possibly be true.

It is a strange sort of logic prevades DS.

Noone is trying to say there might not be some truth to the stories.
But you can't deny that the tabloid press is known for exaggerating things and twisting facts to make a more dramatic story.

The point is none of us has seen/heard these incidents first hand so its impossible to judge whats going on. You say you've been told more about Danyl's comments to Stacey but I haven't - so I'm happy to give Danyl the benefit of the doubt.

I, personally, think it's a bit of both. It's ironic that some people state that the papers are simply bullying/fabricating, while others who are more ready to believe the stories are allegedly being taken in byt them. Disregarding everything that the papers say is simply the flip side to believing them. There are things that people do and say which in real life some will be offended by and others will warm to. Thats life and thats opinions.

Anyways....my reason for posting here was to say this. This show has caused this situation and the voting public have fed what it is/has become. The idea that people are placing more significance on personality than they are on singing ability is what gets me. I couldn't care less if bites the heads off jelly babies while tossing the body away with an angry scowl on his face.....whether he squashes spiders instead of carefully scooping them up and releasing them outside to freedom. It's supposed to be a talent show, if the guy can sing then that should be all that matters. If you want a show with saints and perfect people then we'd be as well having a talent show with nelson mandela and the modern day mother theresa etc etc...all singing their favourite ditties each night but spending their days saving lives.

Too much attention is paid to other peoples opinions and not enough attention is being paid to crafting your own opinion with the facts that are available to you...the limits of those facts being how good the guy sings at 9pm every saturday.

No disregarding what the papers are saying is not the flip side to beleiving them. The flip side to beleiving them is beleiving that the opposite is true, which is more than disregarding them.

I tend to disregard tabloid stories as neither beleiving the story or beleiving that it is not true unless I have some other information to go on.


I agree up to a point. If I was a potential voter though, I would be put off voting for someone if I thought he actually was a bully. On the flip side, I would not vote for someone who I though was goodness personified if they were a crap singer.


Too much attention is paid to other peoples opinions and not enough attention is being paid to crafting your own opinion with the facts that are available to you...the limits of those facts being how good the guy sings at 9pm every saturday.

On that basis you would struggle to believe absolutely anything you read or hear in the media in general. Pretty much every single story anywhere is second hand information which is being fed through a reporter no matter what your media of choice is.

Victim. Danyl sounds like someone who is going through a depression. His confidence is completely low because of all the criticism he is getting, and as a result he is taking out his frustration by acting like a "diva". I feel real bad for the guy, no one, and I mean no one, deserves something like that.

And pray tell us MissLauraAlicex just HOW Danyl has been rude and nasty or are you on the 'believe anything nasty' bandwagon too?

That is true, however there are some rags around that have proven themselves to be crap over and over again.

You don't dismiss a story on BBC News just because you dismiss a story in The Sun.

If they backed it up with a named source who was willing to stand up and be counted rather than spout from safely behind the scenes, I would be more willing to pay a little attention.

That is if the source even exists.

An inside source told me that it is actually Stacey who is the diva, throwing crying fits whenever she doesnt get her own way, but because SC is now backing her it is stifled and not reported.


I just made that up. But if I had said it was a fact, and that I actually knew someone who works with the acts, how would you prove the validity of it, or otherwise. And because I have quoted a so called inside source why does that make it either true or false?

You would have to choose whether or not to believe me. My advice to you would be: Don't! Unless you have personal knowledge and have heard something from a source you trust. And even then, don't expect the rest of us to believe it.

Victim of Simon's megalomaniac hype machine !

On the whole I think Danyl is a victim here. I'm not keen on his singing as IMO he has very poor diction and he always overdoes everything. Simon definitely overhyped him at the beginning. Having said that, attacks against him on his looks and personality are really uncalled for. How can anyone really say he is a DIVA?
He probably hasn't liked some of the songs he has been asked to sing. I don't blame him for wanting to choose his own songs or at least having some input. That just shows that he cares and wants to do things properly.

I just want to be clear here...I'm not in any way claiming that any of the stories are true or otherwise, I was just responding the another posters point.

The point (one of the points anyway) I made originally was along the lines of opinion. The stacey story you posted (and I understand you made it up...but for effect bear with me) states that Stacey was being a diva to someone or other. Now there are some people who would have taken staceys divaesque nature to be someone who was full of herself and thought she was better than everyone else. Whereas there are other people who would have taken her divaness as being tongue in cheek, due to the fact she was making light of the fact she was on tv every week and being adored by a load of people.

Point being that its horses for courses. What you might find amusing, I might find offensive and vice versa. That also goes for other contestants who live with her, as well as reporters who read their own opinions into how they perceive any given story. So any story may or may not be strictly true...either way it is the person relaying the stories take on what they heard which may or may not have happened.

Hope that makes sense (not entirely convinced that I've explained it very well...but meh!) I'm certainly not condoning anything or otherwise. So in terms of validity we're pretty much on the same page imo.

Basically you are agreeing with me - its subjective. Some people will like Danyl some people won't. Those who don't know him AND those who do.

Same as reactions towards press stories. Our personal views will affect how we take them.

Because we are all the same - we have our friends and people who love us, and others that wouldnt give us the time of day. In other words....everyone!

Is that it? Simplified?

He's a Sith lord.

Pretty much

I cant understand how Chelry cole who attacked someone in a ladies loo, can dish out the dirt on Danyl... she started all the bulley rumours again POT KETTLE BLACK me thinks

I agree totally. I've found it really uncomfortable watching such victimisation and character assassination.