I think Cheryl haven't given Danyl a chance. It seems to me she made up her mind about him and nothing can change it. Which is a real shame.

Victim: because the press do fabricate stuff and the netizens are harsh on him (hitler and stuff)

Villian: some of those things he brings upon himself with his bad attitude and big ego

I don't struggle at all. I referred to tabloids not the media in general but even then I need to have faith in the source.

For me, Villain.

Perhaps initially a victim, but just can't sympathise with him any longer.

I never ever like to see someone be character assasinated by the tabloid media. I think he's a victim, I mean how is Danyl "cocky" but Olly is just "confident"?

You either ignored or didn't understand my quote. Nomatter, I've said my piece.

I find it very difficult to disagree with many on here stating that there's been an awful lot of character assassination going on and for that reason Danyl is a victim.

However I do think he has brought some of it on himself (whether he deserves it or not is another matter...)

Danyl strikes me as an individual who cares very much about what people think of him - he seems a little insecure at times, like the whole Twitter mess that's been going on. To that end, I'm not sure he has the right temperament to be a celebrity. If you're in the headlines, you're going to get crap thrown at you - it's unfortunately the nature of celebrity. When everyone knows your name there's going to be some people who dislike you. You simply cannot please everyone.

To this end, someone going for that goal in life is going to have to develop very thick skin and think "sod this". I think Danyl's starting to develop that attitude but it's come too late and the damage has been done.

The person I blame the most in all this is Cowell (who has been absolutely shocking in his behaviour and his decision-making this year). You do not tell an impressionable person they just gave the best first audition ever before a single vote has been cast. You don't go around singing his praises in the US. You build him up. Cowell gave Danyl too much praise and that made Danyl himself think he was loved and unbeatable. Unfortunately that made him ripe picking for a backlash.

Firstly I blame Cowell. Then the press. Then Danyl. A large part of this is not his fault and for that reason he's largely a victim. But as I said earlier, there have been certain decisions he's made and ways he's reacted that have just invited more of it.

I did neither unless you meant something other than you said. I do not beleive the tabloids as they have a history of twisting stories out of all recognition to the truth and it was the tabloids I was tlaking about.

The rest of the media tend not to deal in tittle tattle. If the BBC tells me that the interest rate is going up by 1% I will tend to beleive it as they have no motivation to lie and it it is wrong it can be corrected.

Victim and not deserving of it.

First rule of the bully is "he brought it on himself, it wasnt me governor. Ee was asking for it..."

None of us here know Danyl, we see the bloke on the TV and we read the stories in the newspaper.

I'm a Danyl fan and for all I know he could well be a right get. I don't know that as much as someone who dislikes him doesn't know he's the next Mother Theresa.

The personal attacks on him have been horrendous, the onslaught is really difficult to see.

Even if the guy is a grumpy get with an inflated ego, he absolutely does not deserve the victimisation he's receiving. Nobody does.

FFS, he didn't murder anyone, he's not evil! He's a bloke on a talent show. That's all.

When I look at Danyl, for some odd reason, I see a lot of myself.

I am going to say that he's probably both a villain and a victim. Victim because he has inspired so much hate that is almost disgusting. Villain because he hasn't really done himself any favours if the press are to be believed.

I think that he's probably just confused by the whole thing. He has a lot of talent but he is getting bashed from pilar to post and I get the impression that a lot of the other contestants aren't quite so... anal about things as he is.

Do I believe all of what I read in the papers? No. Do I think that some of it is probably true under that? Yes. Does that mean he deserves to be hated on? No.

So take that as you will...

Are you implying I'm a bully for saying that?

At the end of the day some people's may not be in the right frame of mind to take criticism and if that's the case, sometimes it invites more criticism. I'm not saying that's right, I'm just saying it's a factor. I resent having someone call me a bully for saying that.

And so you should. Your post is thoughtful, well-reasoned, and in no way mean-spirited. Some of Danyl's behaviour in the face of criticism and frustration hasn't helped him. There is nothing hateful or bullying about pointing that out.

I agree. I also agree that Danyl has not really helped himself, but I can't really blame him for that when I have no idea how I myself would react in such a situation.

Luckily I have no creative talent whatsoever, so I seriously doubt I will ever become press fodder!

Very good post Lizzie.

Well in posting the original thread I don't really know what the truth is.

However by watching Danyl sing, I feel hes getting alot of stick, and for me Cheryl can't stand him!

That said when he's criticised he needs to respond better, one week he gave up and just didn't give it anything.

I feel he's just their to sing, and the audacity of Cherly Cole, inparticular to say he was a bit flat and the criticism of him being over confident is way over the top.

He won't win the show and i feel a % of that will be down to the criticism and the press he has been getting.

Thanks tommygunner and lizzy

I must admit that sometimes I can be a little over-harsh on Danyl (again probably Simon's fault as I am naturally suspicious of anyone telling me I should love someone and that they're the best thing since sliced bread). It's sometimes necessary to take a step back and realise there's a human being there. I just have this horrible feeling that he makes it worse for himself by his reactions at times.

It's his reactions that show just how human and unprepared he is for all of this.

He has brought it on hisself

He's a victim - every year there has to be a contestant that we're encouraged to hate. If it wasn't there it would be one of the others.