Play fighting is between equals. Running out crying can be uncomfortable as well, even if one could say the person running out was at a low ebb, or over tired, or over sensitive.

Ola, however, is using this as a punishment, and combined with what I think is inappropriate touching it just really doesn't seem right to me. Hope that explains it.

I'm quite surprised they put together a whole featurette on Team Cola's 'nurpling' - it's one of those things that's a bit '14-year-old', isn't it? It hardly makes Ola look like a grown-up, though I thought Chris defended his corner (and his nips) manfully and with dignity

Still, I don't think it was any less appropriate than all that groping that Claire King did with Brendan in their rumba, or even some of those Vorderfaces from the same dance. Silly and a bit embarrassing to watch, but unlikely to prompt violent behaviour in children. Besides, all the kids I know watch X Factor anyway

Yes thanks. It does explain your point of view, although I don't necessarily agree with it. I think after so many weeks of dancing with each other, some of the couples will feel very comfortable with each other (e.g. they also have to touch bums, stroke the male's chest or be close to the female breast in certain dances). Chris and Ola are clearly very comfortable with each other, indicacted by kissing and hugging on and off the dance floor. As such, her touching his nipples is prohably less dramatic, then if the same happens in a different context (e.g. dentist and patient).

I'm not a particular fan of Ola, but the interaction between them regarding the nipple tweak seemed a bit tongue in cheek rather than a real punishment. I get the feeling that Chris is enjoying the whole "play domination" bit (however that's just my oninion).

Even though Chris may say he doesn't mind, which I don't believe, it is no way for a Professional dancer to behave and she should be told so.

I'm sure the nipple-tweaking is equally as spontaneous and real as his seeming inability to just fall over, rather than doing three tumbles and a pie-face on the way down. It's all ham for the cameras.

It costs money to send a camera team out to film training sessions. Maybe that's why this year IT2 has been often filled with "fluff" to pad it out because of the lack of it.

I can imagine the instructions;

"If we're gonna send you all the way out there, you better come back with something entertaining. Tell 'em to make it happen."

Its all "showbusiness."

Chris and Ola's relationship is quite strange. He treats her like his mother and she treats him a like a 4 year old. I always think that when Ola says, "my little Chris." And the nipple tweaking? Quite unusual. Also innapropriate.

Maybe either I am very naive or others are misinterpreting what's happening, but it never actually occurred to me that Mrs Jordan was in fact making full and pain-inducing contact with her pupil's nipples, nor indeed that she intended to.

You don't seem to be engaging with the idea that the female breasts are a much more culturally sexualised area than the male chest. Granted for some men the nipples are a secondary erogenous zone, for others not, but for all men it is acceptable for them to be on show and not be charged with indecent exposure. This would seem to indicate that they do not have the same shock value if physical contact is initiated in a public arena perhaps?

Chris has not objected indeed finds it funny, i think those who's sensibilities are shocked must accept that their views are not generally shared. I like others initially thought this was a spoof thread and wrongly replied in that vain. I am frankly surprised that others find it offensive but as they say vive la difference !

Me neither, I thought it was a gag contact. But of course that deadening word inapropriate has to rear his head so any spontaneous human behaviour is forced into a suspect category. I don't see that she has even touched him.

But on here anything goes. I can see grassy knolls in a lot of things. I think Kennedy's death was dodgy. The manner of Diana's demise was a bit odd. But never until I came on here did I think at all that Laila's injury was faked to get out of doing a rumba with Anton.

People can be so suspicious

On the tweaking...I didn't think she was really doing it either. Probably a good threat to motivate him though...

[quote=lach doch mal;36862879]As such, her touching his nipples is prohably less dramatic, then if the same happens in a different context (e.g. dentist and patient).QUOTE]



Excuse me while I fall off my chair laughing! Haaaaaaaa haaa haaa. D'you think the NHS would charge extra for that? That's brilliant lach doch mal!!!

Completely.

I'm astonished some people are taking it so seriously.

I cannot believe something that is obviously being done playfully is being dissected and turned into contestant 'abuse' of some sort. There is clearly genuine warmth between them and I'm sure if Chris was troubled by it, he'd be the first to say so. Maybe he even enjoys it!

And, quite frankly, given that Chris needs to raise his game so he's back at the level he was at in Blackpool (or beyond) if he stands a chance of busting apart the judges' favourites clique, I'm all for Ola employing any tactics she needs to!

I think Ola tweeking Chris's nipples does have some latent sexual indications. Either she portrays the master disciplining the submissive partner, or she has had it done to herself and finds it somewhat stimulating. Either way, if I were James, I would put a stop to it now. If I were Chris, I might tweek back, just to send the little girl a message, and a taste of her own medicine. Maybe she needs a good spanking to set her straight.

Mwahahahahahaha!! Are you living in (sexual) fantasyland or in ironyland. I hope the latter. Please tell us this is tongue in cheek.

wow - Chris just mentioned this thread on ITT!

Did he mention me?

No.
Get back in your box!

I would tweak her back. Actually I wouldn't wait for her to do it first. Fnar, fnar.

I think there is a great deal of over-analysing going on! It's possible that she did it once in rehearsal, and the ITT location director made her do it again repeatedly for "Good telly". Besides, he IS getting on her t1ts by calling her "Ola-chops".

Yes, it could be construed as some form of sexual harrasment but if it were me I'd simply find it annoying. It's one of those rules of inequality that aren't quite so equal - women can tweak men's nipples but men can't do it back. I'd be looking past this to the bigger picture personally. They have a great partnership that's popular and doing well in the competition - the nipple tweaking is just a minor irritant that can be ignored in the grand scheme of things.

Besides, it's not even on the same planet as my boss yesterday who said that one of the office girls would make a fortune as a pole dancer. He genuinely meant it as a compliment and couldn't understand why it might have caused offence. That IS offensive. Ola-chops acting up for the ITT cameras simply isn't.

..or even if Chris did it to Ola

What an excellent philosophy

I've written that down - thanks

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Whilst that might be true of a lot of jobs where contact is not necessary - dancing seems somewhat of an exception in that it's totally based upon a lot of physical contact - including a lot of boob and crotch grappling, albeit accidental - it seems to be essential to be totally at ease with touching each other, which a lot of others might feel very uncomfortable with and indeed some celebs still struggle with and it's evident when they dance

so it's no surprise that after weeks of familiarity that dancers become immune or insensed at bodily contact which otherwise might seem inappropriate under other circumstances

They have to have a big enough relationship to say if there's something they dont like

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I guess a lot of people were off sick when they did that whole 'differences between boys and girls' stuff at school...

Quote: Besides, all the kids I know watch X Factor anyway

Now that should be a cause for concern!! If anything is giving kids a bad example it's that!! (only about 50% tongue in cheek!)