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Old 23-11-2009, 01:16
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I know a lot of people on here are angry with Dannii's question for whatever reason but I'm intrigued by the answer to this question.

I didn't like J&E at first coz I thought they can't sing but then they grew on me as I enjoyed watching their performance as it made me laugh.

I know the X Factor is about having that 'something' not just voice but I did think part of me wants Olly to stay coz he is better singer but then part of me wants J&E because they make me laugh.
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Old 23-11-2009, 01:18
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Dannii has set down the marker tonight...it's a singing competition end of story...so the story has to end with Danyl winning...none of the others come close to his vocal ability...
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Old 23-11-2009, 01:18
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It wasn't a question she was making it was a statement, she hated the Twins being in there she was just emphasising how farcical it all was.
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Old 23-11-2009, 01:22
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I think that it should really be both but the singing should be taken as read. Fantastic singer - mediocre/poor perfomer means a bit of a problem

Fantastic performer - mediocre/poor singer should be a deal breaker.
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Old 23-11-2009, 01:27
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It wasn't a question she was making it was a statement, she hated the Twins being in there she was just emphasising on how farcical it all was.
No didn't she say (correct me if I'm wrong!) "can I ask a question? Is it a singing competition?"

Don't think she hated twins coz she's been really nice to them and clearly enjoyed their performances but like any of the judges it must be confusing when a good singer goes.
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Old 23-11-2009, 01:28
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I think that it should really be both but the singing should be taken as read. Fantastic singer - mediocre/poor perfomer means a bit of a problem

Fantastic performer - mediocre/poor singer should be a deal breaker.
Jedward - fantastic performers

Olly - mediocre singer.
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Old 23-11-2009, 01:30
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No didn't she say (correct me if I'm wrong!) "can I ask a question? Is it a singing competition?"

Don't think she hated twins coz she's been really nice to them and clearly enjoyed their performances but like any of the judges it must be confusing when a good singer goes.
I think she was frustrated they were being kept in over quality singers, yes. I think her asking it as a question was a sarcastic and sly approach.
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Old 23-11-2009, 01:34
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Jedward - fantastic performers

Olly - mediocre singer.
That's a matter of opinion. I think Olly has been great in the first few live shows. I also think that he has not been great for the last two weeks.

As I say the singing should be more important than the performing but the actual winner should have both.
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Old 23-11-2009, 01:36
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Well..


I think its entertainment first and foremost as only a few singers make a living out of standing and just singing, nowadays everything is visual.. You dont have to just sound the part, You have to look the part and move the part..

So putting on a show is a must nowadays on certain entertainers will get by without having too (Leona for example)

So big performances and dance routines are practically a must.. Look at the big superstars these days Rihanna, Beyonce, Christina, Justin, Britney.. They all sing and dance.. and out of the list only Christina and Beyonce have the voice to just stand and sing and get away with it..

and just to add, It is not a singing contest.. never has been and never will be.. It is a singing contest up until the first live show then it becomes a popularity contest.. People don't watch the show and then vote for the best singer of the night(some people do but not most) People vote for their favourite act week in and week out even if they are bad..

So it is a popularity contest and i think entertainment is more important that having and amazing vocal..


sorry for rambling on
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Old 23-11-2009, 01:36
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha73...om=PL&index=36
4 Mins 25 secs into this video and you'll get your answer straight from the horses mouth.
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Old 23-11-2009, 01:49
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Its not a singing competition.... its a "Who is the most fancyable completion"

Come on everyone in the music industry sells the fantasy of sex. If they didn't then Cheryl wouldn't have been picked for her voice

So who has the most potential with the girls..I'd say Jedward Olly has been made to look like Gary Barlow - big mistake he was never the cute one - Mark and Robbie were.
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Old 23-11-2009, 02:07
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I think she was frustrated they were being kept in over quality singers, yes. I think her asking it as a question was a sarcastic and sly approach.
It could of worked in Jedward's favour if she got an answer.
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Old 23-11-2009, 02:10
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Thank god Danni had the casting vote. She brought some credibility back to xfactor tonight
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Old 23-11-2009, 02:12
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Thank god Danni had the casting vote. She brought some credibility back to xfactor tonight
Yeah....
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Old 23-11-2009, 02:16
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha73...om=PL&index=36
4 Mins 25 secs into this video and you'll get your answer straight from the horses mouth.
Like Simon said in the link from the poster above it's a singing competition.
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Old 23-11-2009, 03:21
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So how come the twins got three yes's at the auditions then? Or wasn't it a singing competition at the start?
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Old 23-11-2009, 03:27
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Like Simon said in the link from the poster above it's a singing competition.
No because then it'd be called 'The Singing Factor'.

To have the 'X Factor' its gotta be more than just a good voice.

Its the image

The moves

The sex appeal

The shiny costumes

The ability to provoke the public

To anger the great unwashed present at studio time

To confuse Simon

To delight young children

To entertain members of the public who otherwise wouldn't care about the programme

To have hairstyles that will inspire a generation

To have a winning, positive attitude

To rap acapella and bring the house down

in short.... LLOYD FOR THE FINAL!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 23-11-2009, 03:33
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha73...om=PL&index=36
4 Mins 25 secs into this video and you'll get your answer straight from the horses mouth.
Simon says it is, but that doesn't mean it is.

It clearly isn't. I mean, it really incredibly blatantly isn't. To claim that it is, you have ignore . . . pretty much most of the show. Because the show isn't geared to being a singing competition.

What about the personalities, the judging, the image, the performance, the finding of a 'popstar', the actual charts, the voting, the 'stage presence', the drama, the staging, individual taste, tone, the x factor itself?

People who claim it's a singing competition ignore all of these things.

Usually they don't bother with an argument beyond 'it IS a singing competition' or 'Simon said it was' - or worse, 'but it's called a 'sing' off!'. Yes there's singing in it. No, that doesn't make it just a singing competition.
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Old 23-11-2009, 04:06
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Simon says it is, but that doesn't mean it is.

It clearly isn't.
It is if the public says so and in the end, that's what the public says.

Yes a poor singer who entertains (if the only "entertainer" in the show) can stay in for quite a while because the votes of people who who love the singing and don't like non-singers are split.

But as the singers reduce in number, their votes become less split and in the end, the non-singers sink to or near the bottom, even if they can maintain all of their original support.

It's as simple as that - Jedward were never going to be in the final (or if they were manipulated into it were never going to win) because most people who vote consider it to be a singing competition.
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Old 23-11-2009, 04:15
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How can anyone keep arguing this?

DO THE PRODUCERS PASS AS FIT FOR THEIR PROGRAMME PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SING?

YES THEY DO!

Why keep on with this all the time? It's nothing to do with your opinion, my opinion, Dannii's opinion, THE MAKERS OF THE SHOW PASS AS OK FOR THIS PROGRAMME PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SING!

Now call it a singing programme, about and for singers only.

PLEASE CAN WE PUT THIS ONE TO BED NOW?
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Old 23-11-2009, 04:18
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So how come the twins got three yes's at the auditions then? Or wasn't it a singing competition at the start?
for a joke like the other i bet the other 3 judges didn't intend for them to be in the finals
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Old 23-11-2009, 04:19
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How can anyone keep arguing this?

DO THE PRODUCERS PASS AS FIT FOR THEIR PROGRAMME PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SING?

YES THEY DO!

Why keep on with this all the time? It's nothing to do with your opinion, my opinion, Dannii's opinion, THE MAKERS OF THE SHOW PASS AS OK FOR THIS PROGRAMME PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SING!

Now call it a singing programme, about and for singers only.

PLEASE CAN WE PUT THIS ONE TO BED NOW?
One could argue however, the non-singers are passed to provide entertainment and thereby higher ratings in the early episode which brings in more ad revenue.

Seriously, money underlines every decision the producers make. If farting monkeys brought in viewers, the 'x factor' would somehow be twisted to include them. Don't fall for the facade of the evil corporate shysters designed to appease the gutter desires of the proletariat.
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Old 23-11-2009, 04:20
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How can anyone keep arguing this?

DO THE PRODUCERS PASS AS FIT FOR THEIR PROGRAMME PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SING?

YES THEY DO!

Why keep on with this all the time? It's nothing to do with your opinion, my opinion, Dannii's opinion, THE MAKERS OF THE SHOW PASS AS OK FOR THIS PROGRAMME PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SING!

Now call it a singing programme, about and for singers only.

PLEASE CAN WE PUT THIS ONE TO BED NOW?
Calm down, calm down Mr Cow.

Yes they do put through "entertainers" and non-singers as it's a TV entertainment show. And it does indeed take the bulk of the public who want it to be a singing competition quite a while some years to get rid of the "entertainers",

But in the end, we usually do. We who say it's a singing competition will get our way, whatever the Cow(ell)'s of this World tell us. All said without any hysterical shouting.
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Old 23-11-2009, 04:20
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So how come the twins got three yes's at the auditions then? Or wasn't it a singing competition at the start?
Precisely! What about all the other acts that get through many rounds with the PRODUCERS (the very makers of the show) to actually appear on stage when they just can't sing?

It either IS a singing show or NOT a singing show: And the makers clearly DO NOT consider this show to be about singing!

It can't change at the whim of some Judge just because of bias.
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Old 23-11-2009, 04:22
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Precisely! What about all the other acts that get through many rounds with the PRODUCERS (the very makers of the show) to actually appear on stage when they just can't sing?

It either IS a singing show or NOT a singing show: And the makers clearly DO NOT consider this show to be about singing!

It can't change at the whim of some Judge just because of bias.
oh please only a few bad singers get through because of biasedness bootcamp is like 90% real singers and 10% novelty singers or something like that im assuming
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