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Next development or bug fixes lined up for Foxsat-HDR?
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wjharing
23-11-2009
Hi,

I'm actually very happy with the latest firmware. My main annoyances have been resolved (i.e. delete and loss of scheduled recordings).

Is there any word on what will happen next with the development or fixes for the Foxsat-HDR?

I'm not pushing for a new firmware, but I am curious to know what is in line for the remainder of the life cycle of this particular product as there are already talks about a new Humax box.

Best,
Wouter.
savvy
23-11-2009
Originally Posted by wjharing:
“Hi,

I'm actually very happy with the latest firmware. My main annoyances have been resolved (i.e. delete and loss of scheduled recordings).

Is there any word on what will happen next with the development or fixes for the Foxsat-HDR?

I'm not pushing for a new firmware, but I am curious to know what is in line for the remainder of the life cycle of this particular product as there are already talks about a new Humax box.

Best,
Wouter.”

I believe Bob_Cat has said that there will be no more "features" releases, but there may be maintenance releases.

Rgds.


Les.
Mikembe
23-11-2009
Originally Posted by savvy:
“I believe Bob_Cat has said that there will be no more "features" releases, but there may be maintenance releases.”

That what I understood from Bob_Cat's response as well.

Mikembe
grahamlthompson
23-11-2009
I imagine there will be an update to accomodate iplayer after beta testing is complete
carvell
23-11-2009
I'm not sure there will be. I reckon the functionality is all there and the interface will be served via MHEG means. All Humax need to do is provide the hooks for the interface to work. I assume they've already done this.
grahamlthompson
23-11-2009
Originally Posted by carvell:
“I'm not sure there will be. I reckon the functionality is all there and the interface will be served via MHEG means. All Humax need to do is provide the hooks for the interface to work. I assume they've already done this.”

We shall see in the fullness of time
drevil666
23-11-2009
To quote BobCat from the DNLA thread "There are no new features planned for this product, we had some hopes that UPnP might have worked on this platform but the development was never able to reach a consumer ready state.

Bob "

I imagine that once iPlayer Beta testing completes the software update will be made available via a download to a suitable USB key
PaulB67b
24-11-2009
So will we still get bug fixes ? or is that a no too unless its a show stopper.

Three bugs i can think of that still remain :-

Chase play problems when the live feed ends.

Losing recordings when switching to non freesat mode within 15 minutes of a recording starting. -- Surely this is the easiest fix ever. Just stick a warning message up if switching to non freesat mode when a recording is due to start in the next 15 mins.

Moving around the guide is very sluggish but pressing schedule then red (which achieves the same thing) is not sluggish.
why is that ?

And 2 more that could be features (but imo they are bugs)

Not being able to record the buffer

Schedule showing previously recorded programmes at the top of the list (surely when you press schedule it should at least default the top of the list to today's date. You could then scroll up if you want to see past dates ). Another easy fix
far-lands
24-11-2009
>> Moving around the guide is very sluggish but pressing schedule then red (which achieves the same thing) is not sluggish. why is that ? <<

Wow, now that does make a difference !!
I'n not pressing guide any more, the other way is alot faster. Thanks for the tip !!
savvy
24-11-2009
Originally Posted by far-lands:
“>> Moving around the guide is very sluggish but pressing schedule then red (which achieves the same thing) is not sluggish. why is that ? <<

Wow, now that does make a difference !!
I'n not pressing guide any more, the other way is alot faster. Thanks for the tip !!”

It's "sluggish" if you want to call it that, because it is downloading the guide fresh when you press "Guide".

Schedule + Red is accessing the cached version of the guide, so is not downloading it (it also accesses the cached version if the box is recording when you press "Guide").

I press "Guide" when I turn the box on, and let it fully download before doing anything. You can tell it's finished when the "Receiving Programme Information ..." goes away in the top right of the EPG, and the Sound comes back, and the picture returns to the background (depending on your opacity settings). Then for the rest of the day, I use Schedule + Red.

Rgds.


Les.
CanonMan
24-11-2009
Thats one of the things I had hoped they would fix
Tern
24-11-2009
Originally Posted by PaulB67b:
“Three bugs i can think of that still remain :-”

Another very definite bug is that subtitles do not clear so one piece of dialogue overwrites another on the screen.

e.g.

If the dialogue goes:

A: It's a nice day
B: Yes

You will see on screen:

It's a nice day

then:

It's aYesce day

Not too bad if you only turn subtitles on occasionally for a few lines of dialogue but must be very annoying if you need them full time.

There also seems to be a problem with subtitles turning themselves on from time to time.

And they've left in the 'feature' where you need multiple button presses to turn them on and off (unlike the vastly superior 'one click' implementation on the Digihome Freeview).
PaulB67b
24-11-2009
Originally Posted by savvy:
“It's "sluggish" if you want to call it that, because it is downloading the guide fresh when you press "Guide".

Schedule + Red is accessing the cached version of the guide, so is not downloading it (it also accesses the cached version if the box is recording when you press "Guide").

I press "Guide" when I turn the box on, and let it fully download before doing anything. You can tell it's finished when the "Receiving Programme Information ..." goes away in the top right of the EPG, and the Sound comes back, and the picture returns to the background (depending on your opacity settings). Then for the rest of the day, I use Schedule + Red.

Rgds.


Les.”

Thanks for the explanation.
You learn something every day
icutedave
24-11-2009
When in non freesat mode deleting and moving channels is not always saved on my hdr , anybody else?
icutedave
25-11-2009
Originally Posted by icutedave:
“When in non freesat mode deleting and moving channels is not always saved on my hdr , anybody else?”

Should have said it reboots during selecting the channels that I want to delete.
bighairybloke
28-11-2009
has the long awaited firmwear update been posted then? when was this?

steve
savvy
28-11-2009
Originally Posted by bighairybloke:
“has the long awaited firmwear update been posted then? when was this?

steve”

It's been posted on the Humax website for a while now, where you can download and update via usb stick, and is also being transmitted OTA.

You should have had it unless :-

1. you don't put your box into Standby overnight.
2. you only have one cable feed and an old Loader 7.51

What software/loader versions do you have? (Menu>System>Diagnostics).

Rgds.


Les.
Ardee
28-11-2009
The guide problem was one I expected to be fixed. To me, it seems likely that most folk wanting to access the guide would press the button marked "guide".

Can anyone suggest why Humax did not just swap the access methods around so that the guide button has the cached version and the schedule + red button has the wait?
Gadgie
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Ardee:
“The guide problem was one I expected to be fixed. To me, it seems likely that most folk wanting to access the guide would press the button marked "guide".

Can anyone suggest why Humax did not just swap the access methods around so that the guide button has the cached version and the schedule + red button has the wait?”

What I don't understand is why, when the box is set up with twin tuners and is not recording, it doesn't use the second feed to download the EPG data.

Also, does it really need to check for new listings every time I press 'guide' (even if it may only have been several seconds previously)?
grahamlthompson
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Gadgie:
“What I don't understand is why, when the box is set up with twin tuners and is not recording, it doesn't use the second feed to download the EPG data.

Also, does it really need to check for new listings every time I press 'guide' (even if it may only have been several seconds previously)?”

When you press guide you are telling the hdr to download a whole new copy of the epg. The buffered epg is always available even when recording. Just press Schedule/Red.

The epg is constantly updated in the background with data carried on the broadcast transponders so really schedul/red is the only access you need
Shawshank_Steve
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“When you press guide you are telling the hdr to download a whole new copy of the epg. The buffered epg is always available even when recording. Just press Schedule/Red.

The epg is constantly updated in the background with data carried on the broadcast transponders so really schedul/red is the only access you need”

I think the poster posing the question realised this. The question was whether it really needs to each time you press guide. Schedule/red is a workaround. It is an annoying thing to update when it has only been updated minutes prior and is not really needed. A simple check in the code to see when it was last update would be all that was required. If it's been updated in the last hour or so then does it really need updating again when you press Guide? Background updates can still continue of course.
grahamlthompson
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Shawshank_Steve:
“I think the poster posing the question realised this. The question was whether it really needs to each time you press guide. Schedule/red is a workaround. It is an annoying thing to update when it has only been updated minutes prior and is not really needed. A simple check in the code to see when it was last update would be all that was required. If it's been updated in the last hour or so then does it really need updating again when you press Guide? Background updates can still continue of course.”

It's not going to happen, Humax have already stated that the present Guide and Schedule/Red arrangements won't be changed. To be honest I can't remember the last time I pressed Guide. I always press schedule to check if what I expect to record is going to be and then red to add any extra reservations.
Badvok
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“When you press guide you are telling the hdr to download a whole new copy of the epg.”

LOL, that sounds like a developer's excuse to me. What we've actually got reminds me of this cartoon
Shawshank_Steve
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“It's not going to happen, Humax have already stated that the present Guide and Schedule/Red arrangements won't be changed. To be honest I can't remember the last time I pressed Guide. I always press schedule to check if what I expect to record is going to be and then red to add any extra reservations.”

Cheers Graham. I realised that it wasn't going to happen. I was simply pointing out that you appeared to misundersatnd the point of the posters question.

I do often press guide just to browse what's on and don't particularly like or want to go in via the workaround method. Still a minor point and one I can live with. It's a great bit of kit after all is said. We should count ourselves lucky that we can delete while a recording is taking place!!!
Ardee
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Shawshank_Steve:
“ It's a great bit of kit after all is said.”

Which is why some of us find it hard to understand why Humax are not interested in making it as good as it could be, even when the cost would be minimal
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