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Would Ali get an unfair advantage if she gets a week off when Laila had to dance on?
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drbolognaise
25-11-2009
Originally Posted by cassieconvinced:
“Who'd have thought we'd actually need a real doctor on this forum just to explain all the different injuries that have been so prevelant this year to us? Glad Dr Bolognaise is here!”

Aw shucks I should bill SCD for my services
cassieconvinced
25-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Aw shucks I should bill SCD for my services ”

I have a feeling you ain't gonna get much of a response
Ignazio
25-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Aw shucks I should bill SCD for my services ”

I thought you operated within the NHS - free gratis and for nothing to those who pay their dues!

Anyway the beeb would only screw the poor licence payers, though you could always try billing DS.
Veri
25-11-2009
Originally Posted by zankoku87:
“Sorry, I understand the difference between Jade and Laila's situations, I just didn't think they'd ever specified that Laila wouldn't have been able to have the bye - as far as I remember, we were only told that she was given a choice to dance or not. If they have, then I should pay more attention! ”

Originally Posted by bobbla:
“Well i think the same as you. Laila was given the choice of whether to dance or not however it was never explained by the BBC what would have happened if she'd chosen not to dance.

Most people assume it would have meant her having to withdraw but that was never actually stated by the BBC.”

That's also what I thought -- that they never made it clear whether Laila could have had a bye or not, if she'd wanted one.

And, unfortunately, it looks like the exact interpretation of the rules is going to matter this week.
drbolognaise
25-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I thought you operated within the NHS - free gratis and for nothing to those who pay their dues!

Anyway the beeb would only screw the poor licence payers, though you could always try billing DS.”

Instead of charging them, they could employ me as a TV Doctor a la Dr Chris on This Morning, that guy has the easiest job in the world, I could happily do that for the rest of my life!
Aida
25-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Oh its definately not a wind up. You can absolutely bruise a bone as it is very 'vascular' meaning it is surrounded by a lot of blood vessels. I didnt catch all of the update so Im not sure how Ali has injured herself but her injury will have cause the blood vessels in and around her bones to break, causing swelling and pain. I know it doesnt sound serious but it can be very painful and take a while to heal.

I cant pretend to know an awful lot about MRI results of bruised bone as I am not a radiologist, however, I can imagine the MRI (which is excellent at showing bones and similar tissue) will show that the bones she has bruised have a different shading due to the blood in the injury. Radiologists grade images by a priniciple giving different matter a different numerical number depending on its appearance, so the blood would have a characteristic appearance on the MRI. The MRI would also have definately given a clear image of any fracture or ligament tear.

Sorry, thats probably as clear as mud! ”

Sounds good to me - by the way, I did catch all of the update and it sounded as if although there was no bony or ligamental injury, the medic/s were cautiously hinting at a periosteal haematoma, which as you know can take 4-6 weeks to clear and carries the (very, very slight and rare) risk of ossifying in situ or becoming infected!

Mind you, having said that, nowadays there are some whizzes of orthopaedic surgeons who specialise in sports injuries and work with dedicated sports injuries physiotherapists to devise individual treatment regimes, so fingers crossed for Ali!
thenetworkbabe
25-11-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“But it all boils down to the severity of your injury.

I don't share other people's skepticism and maintain that Laila had genuinely sprained her ankle. But she was told by the doctor that she could dance without making it worse.

Jade's injury was different. She might have made things worse by dancing. So it was only right she be given a 'bye.' The same goes for Ali if the doctor decides she's not fit to dance.

It's all by the book.

Having said all that, I think it would be fitting if everyone was able to progress this week. It would just be a nice gesture.”

I imagine in there somewhere the word dance is important too. You might be able to do somethings but would dancing cause damage and would the particular dance cause damage. Lifts would seem an obvious extreme as would jumping up and down on the foot. There's also the problem that having one working foot means you are likely to damage something else too if you try and do too much which teh health and safety people may decide on anyway.

The advice would have to differ in every case and I doubt if a doctor would say thats safe - its in the realms of will cause further damage, is not going to be possible or you might manage to stagger around with pain killers but don't blame me if you fall down .
Ignazio
25-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Instead of charging them, they could employ me as a TV Doctor a la Dr Chris on This Morning, that guy has the easiest job in the world, I could happily do that for the rest of my life! ”

How about replacing Dr.Hilary - he's surely past his sell by date.
thenetworkbabe
26-11-2009
Originally Posted by Veri:
“That's also what I thought -- that they never made it clear whether Laila could have had a bye or not, if she'd wanted one.

And, unfortunately, it looks like the exact interpretation of the rules is going to matter this week. ”

I doubt if the rules say you can dance unless dancing will cause more damage or whatever pain you are in. The damage risk is an estimate and only you know what pain you are in. I imagine its the same proceedure as a sick note - does it hurt enough, is there a significant injury that explains the symptoms , is the person's work (in this case dancing a Charleston) going to be impossible, are they at risk of aggrevating the injury or lengthening the healing process. They can't send someone out hobbling on one leg and they would be rightly crucified if they then fell over.

Laila shouldn't have danced - they obviously got the message its a sprain and this won't make it better or worse but having to stop half way through and having to be carried off pretty well made the point that it wasn't right to start.
Bobby'sgirl
26-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“How about replacing Dr.Hilary - he's surely past his sell by date. ”

But look how he is enjoying getting past his sell by date, yet another affair!! No wonder he is looking tired and weary
Ignazio
26-11-2009
Originally Posted by Bobby'sgirl:
“But look how he is enjoying getting past his sell by date, yet another affair!! No wonder he is looking tired and weary”

Perhaps he's no longer up to it.

Did I really say that?
Bobby'sgirl
26-11-2009
You did!!

I have to say he is looking a bit jaded and the hair is betting thinner, well at least he will go a happy man.
sey77
26-11-2009
Originally Posted by Bhoy1888:
“OK here we go again.Another dancer who cant dance and by the looks of it is trying to get a week off to give them more time to recover

This is making a farce of the whole series

Why don't we just all quit now and come back on December 19th for their Ali v Ricky final that the BBC is all so desperate for now

I guess if Chris or Laila get through this week they should have a week off as well the week after so as they can have more time to prepare for the final

Ive said it before and Ill say it again.If you ain't fit to dance then thats it...Your out...no bye for a week

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You know that for a fact do you? If you remember Ali had no problems dancing on when she hurt her leg the last time, she was even in the bottom two. So to say she is trying to get a week off is ridiculous.

Has it actually been decided she won't dance? Or are just putting words in her mouth? I suppose you would want them to carry on, even if it means doing permanent damage...

You're so negative about anyone who you haven't put a bet on, I can't remember who that is now. I've read so many of your posts on other threads.
Xassy
26-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Instead of charging them, they could employ me as a TV Doctor a la Dr Chris on This Morning, that guy has the easiest job in the world, I could happily do that for the rest of my life! ”

Please can I have your autograph? Just in case you get famous, at a later date.
Passoa
26-11-2009
To be fair, last time Ali had stubber her toe. Yes, it can be ridiculously painful, but it was only damn right that she danced her dance off, and she was lucky to get through that as it was pretty poor.

However, am I understanding correctly - we are now 5 peeps, so quarter final?
So she can't get a bye this week, it's either dance, or out?
Force Ten
26-11-2009
It's not the quarter final until next week. It's only 5 couples because Jade had to pull out. So Ali could get a bye until next week if necessary (according to the BBC's rules).

However, if she can't dance this week, the BBC really ought to have a week with no elimination to make it fairer for everyone else.
sey77
26-11-2009
Originally Posted by Passoa:
“To be fair, last time Ali had stubber her toe. Yes, it can be ridiculously painful, but it was only damn right that she danced her dance off, and she was lucky to get through that as it was pretty poor.

However, am I understanding correctly - we are now 5 peeps, so quarter final?
So she can't get a bye this week, it's either dance, or out?”

you say it was only a stubbed toe, but if you looked you could see the bruising went up the front of her leg. Even craig mentioned it.

I didn't say she shouldn't have done the dance off, I was just pointing out that unlike Liala, Ali was also in the dance off. So she actually danced twice, laila didn't make it through once. It was also ridiculous to wear the high heeled shoes.
susie-4964
26-11-2009
I don't remember so many people getting injured in previous series. What's different about this one? Are they pushing them too hard, or are they just not as good?
blondey
26-11-2009
I don't think anyone should go this week, then we will have a 3 couple final. Even if Ali is fit to dance this Saturday, surely there isn't enough time to learn 2 dances, as Jade got a bye, Ali should as well.
Servalan
26-11-2009
Originally Posted by blondey:
“I don't think anyone should go this week, then we will have a 3 couple final. Even if Ali is fit to dance this Saturday, surely there isn't enough time to learn 2 dances, as Jade got a bye, Ali should as well.”

Ali will, if she's not fit to dance. Them's the rules.

But we won't have a three-couple final. Not now. The die is already cast on that front, sadly ...
claire2281
26-11-2009
Originally Posted by susie-4964:
“I don't remember so many people getting injured in previous series. What's different about this one? Are they pushing them too hard, or are they just not as good?”

As far I can see all injuries so far, apart from Jade's, have been accidents. Laila tripped, Ali hit her toe and slipped over... I think it's just more bad luck.
heelleader
26-11-2009
This is the first time I've ever posted and it might be the last if I've misunderstood the rules about respect, but it was either this or bang my head off a wall. Okay . . .


1. All competitors have to perform every week – there are no holidays

Bhoy – are you with me so far? If you’re lost already stop reading and post a request to have that first line explained more fully.

2. If you choose not to dance because of a death in the family (Kelly Brooks), insanely intrusive press (John Sargent) or pain (as Laila could have done after spraining her ankle) you are out of the competition.

Bhoy, how’s it going? Are you still with me? That’s two ideas you’ve had to absorb. Concentrate now: here’s comes a third one.

3. If a doctor says you are not medically fit (Jimmy Tarbuck, Jade Johnson) you are forbidden to dance. You can have one week’s grace - passing through to the next round. This is known as a bye.

Bhoy, I’m rooting for you here. That was the bit that seems to pass through your brain without sticking. I hope it’s snagged onto something on the way past this time.

4. After one week’s grace, if the docs say you are still unfit to dance, you are out.

Bhoy, if you’re still holding all of this in your head all at once, find someone and share a high five. You deserve it, buddy. Steep learning curve for you. One more idea and you’ll be right here in Rocket Science City with the rest of us.

5. The provision of byes stops at the quarter-finals.

Bhoy, if all the words are making your head hurt, just read the bits in bold. You could even draw them on a piece of paper and put arrows in. All the best with it.
olivej
26-11-2009
Originally Posted by heelleader:
“This is the first time I've ever posted and it might be the last if I've misunderstood the rules about respect, but it was either this or bang my head off a wall. Okay . . .


1. All competitors have to perform every week – there are no holidays

Bhoy – are you with me so far? If you’re lost already stop reading and post a request to have that first line explained more fully.

2. If you choose not to dance because of a death in the family (Kelly Brooks), insanely intrusive press (John Sargent) or pain (as Laila could have done after spraining her ankle) you are out of the competition.

Bhoy, how’s it going? Are you still with me? That’s two ideas you’ve had to absorb. Concentrate now: here’s comes a third one.

3. If a doctor says you are not medically fit (Jimmy Tarbuck, Jade Johnson) you are forbidden to dance. You can have one week’s grace - passing through to the next round. This is known as a bye.

Bhoy, I’m rooting for you here. That was the bit that seems to pass through your brain without sticking. I hope it’s snagged onto something on the way past this time.

4. After one week’s grace, if the docs say you are still unfit to dance, you are out.

Bhoy, if you’re still holding all of this in your head all at once, find someone and share a high five. You deserve it, buddy. Steep learning curve for you. One more idea and you’ll be right here in Rocket Science City with the rest of us.

5. The provision of byes stops at the quarter-finals.

Bhoy, if all the words are making your head hurt, just read the bits in bold. You could even draw them on a piece of paper and put arrows in. All the best with it.”

excellent first post!!!

I was banging my head against a brick wall to but hopefully Bhoy will read and understand
mimi dlc
26-11-2009
Originally Posted by heelleader:
“This is the first time I've ever posted and it might be the last if I've misunderstood the rules about respect, but it was either this or bang my head off a wall. Okay . . .


1. All competitors have to perform every week – there are no holidays

Bhoy – are you with me so far? If you’re lost already stop reading and post a request to have that first line explained more fully.

2. If you choose not to dance because of a death in the family (Kelly Brooks), insanely intrusive press (John Sargent) or pain (as Laila could have done after spraining her ankle) you are out of the competition.

Bhoy, how’s it going? Are you still with me? That’s two ideas you’ve had to absorb. Concentrate now: here’s comes a third one.

3. If a doctor says you are not medically fit (Jimmy Tarbuck, Jade Johnson) you are forbidden to dance. You can have one week’s grace - passing through to the next round. This is known as a bye.

Bhoy, I’m rooting for you here. That was the bit that seems to pass through your brain without sticking. I hope it’s snagged onto something on the way past this time.

4. After one week’s grace, if the docs say you are still unfit to dance, you are out.

Bhoy, if you’re still holding all of this in your head all at once, find someone and share a high five. You deserve it, buddy. Steep learning curve for you. One more idea and you’ll be right here in Rocket Science City with the rest of us.

5. The provision of byes stops at the quarter-finals.

Bhoy, if all the words are making your head hurt, just read the bits in bold. You could even draw them on a piece of paper and put arrows in. All the best with it.”

Well, if you get in trouble for that post, it mean that your overall quality rating is 100%
Excellent post.
And funny too!

Welcome heelleader!
tonydancer
26-11-2009
I must congratulate Bhoy on another spectacularly successful wind-up.

To all others; haven't you twigged yet that these people thrive on you rising to their bait?

If you want Bhoy to stop doing this kind of thing, don't read any thread he starts and don't respond to any comment he makes on other threads. Simple as that.

When you're left isolated in cyberspace, no-one can hear you scream.

Call it a Bhoycott, perhaps.
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