So world class that he got beat by little leon jackson in the final

Rhydian is not a world class singer, yes he has a nice voice but if you want to listen to a world class opera singer listen to somebody like Paul Potts or Il Divo, they are 10x the singer that rhydian is or ever will be.

Rhydian is a world class vocalist. His grasp of 'voice' and vocal ability is outstanding. His points about Danyl "I sleep with men and women" Johnson was spot on.

Saying Rhydian got beat on a reality TV show does not degrade his talent - as you are well aware, these things are based on other factors such as sympathy and sob stories which Leon Jackson exploited with his never-ending victim act of being from a single parent home. Some of the most talented contestants never win - on American Idol, Chris Daughtry never won, Jennifer Hudson never won, Laura white on X Factor never won etc.

Paul potts is not world class - his intonations, pronunciation and vocal skill is ridiculed in the classical music world by people who actually understand classical music - it is only the uneducated Simon Cowell worshippers that think he is good. He learns music phonetically as he can't actually speak the language he is singing in. IL Divo are much better and genuinely talented.

P.S. Paul Potts IS NOT an opera singer. At best, he is a classical singer. To be an opera singer one must actually have performed in an opera. Even Katherine Jenkins admits she is not an opera singer and can only be considered one when she sings in one. Singing Nessun Dorma (badly in the case of Paul Potts) does not make him an opera singer.

Goodness, what's THAT got to do with the way Danyl sings?

As for Rhydian's 'grasp' of voice and vocal ability, well, he is limited, obviously by his taste and training and his knowlege base, which, I would venture is very different from Danyl's.

Danyl sings in a way reminiscent of old style blues and Jazz singers, not classical singers at all, and his tonality and phrasing are very different.

I actually don't mind Rhydian saying he doesn't like Danyl's voice, or he sings out of tune, it's a bit unnecessary, unkind and unpleasant, when others there, particularly Olly last week, have more serious and less debatable tuning and quality issues, but there you go.

But to trash him as a person, when there seems to be no evidence he's even met Danyl, well, however well YOU think he sings, there's little excuse for that.

Rhydian wasn't trashing Danyl at all. He was stating truths regarding his voice.

Why is no-one allowed to criticise Danyl? If someone says anything about him they are condemned. Also, the fact that people are saying Danyl is arrogant and smug is because:

1. He gives off that vibe to alot of people hence why many observers have stated it.
2. There is evidence he is smug and and a **** given the way he treated Kandy Rain and Stacey.


Further, when you put yourself on a reality TV show you have to be braced for criticisms. Rhydian is allowed to share his opinion to.

And, I can see you are a politically correct person who is offended by my remark about Danyl liking boys and girls. The reason I said that is that :

1. He is openly bisexual which means he likes both sexes.
2. He went to the tabloids and told stories of how he can "pull a straight guy" etc bragging like a sordid little tramp.

Yet, he plays the victim card when people are adverse to his singing voice - as if no-one is allowed to dislike him.

So - repeating smears is to be lauded because everyone does it - do you really believe that?

Do you do that yourself?

Do you just 'get a vibe' off people and judge them on that, without reflection or proper evidence? Really?

Do you think bisexuality is wrong?

Do you think when someone criticises your 'character', as Louis and Cheryl and now Rhydian has, that it is 'playing the victim card' if it affects you?

Really?

If so, I don't think we have much common ground to be honest.

He was trashing Danyl personally, it was not about his voice that has people up in arms, it was the below the belt slagging about his personality, or being arrogant, he has not met Danyl so how can he know. He needs to shut up as people tend to go off people who do this type of thing.

I for one will not be buying his album over this outburst of his, yes he is entitled to his opinion, but there was no need to say what he said and it was not about the singing.

You obviously do not like him as you have seen fit to drag his sexuality into this for no reason at all and you have called him a tramp!

And you comment on the vibe Dan gives off is your opinion and not mine I do not see him as smug or arrogant, confident yes, well he was before all this shite about him from the judges in week one.

Olly is more arrogant than Danyl and no one says a word, he has been so out of tune for two weeks, again all he gets is praise which is extremely annoying, even Stacey has been off key and she was praised to the hilt. Makes no sense to me to have a go about one and be blind to others out of tune singing. How Rhydian says Olly to win I have simply no idea, he is an average singer who sings out of tune, his dancing is so out of date it is pathetic, but I am sure Rhydian knows a great voice when he hears it and thinks Olly has it!!

How can anyone really know someone? We only see a picture that is cast through the prism of a TV show. However, from that picture people are free to make a judgement of sorts especially when they are being asked to fork out money and vote in a singing competiton.

However, many people have noted and felt that Danyl is smug and arrogant. Louis, Cheryl, thousands of people on forums. That doesn't mean he is per se but it does mean that people are getting that impression. Lots of people feel this way for their own reasons - that is something they have picked up on.

I personally find the guy smarmy and a tad smug - I personally get that vibe from him.

And don't ask me about the morality of sexual dispositions - do you think this is a suitable forum to discuss that? I only mentioned Danyl's bisexuality to prove a point. Danyl acts like a drama queen in my eyes but he went and told the tabloids about his sex life and how he can pull straight guys etc. The point I was making is that when you open yourself up like that, you are prone for criticisms and tabloid/forum gossip. I also found it in bad taste as he was school teacher to little children. That's my personal opinion.

I mentioned the fact that Danyl likes boys and girls as he is bisexual. Danyly is the one who created such a platform for that discussion when he went to the tabloids to boast about how he can seduce straight men.

Anyway, you have misunderstood my point. Here it is for your clarification. I was making the point that Danyl, in my eyes, acts like a diva. He seems contrived and gimmicky. I was alluding to the fact that he seems arrogant in how he doesn't want to be criticised but yet is willing to talk about his sexuality so openly. I personally found that a contradiction and also thought it was crass. That's my opinion on the situation. I'm glad you like him but I do not. Such is the subjectivity of music!

ok these are some really strong words ....are you that straight guy you mentioned?

We can't know these people. From what we see we are free to like or dislike them, but to make judgements, publicly when you are in a position of influence, about their character with little credible evidence is just smearing someone.

I'm no fan of that, I'm afraid. Anybody can do that about anybody and it is unpleasant, and marks those who do it in ordinary life, unpleasant.


What POINT exactly were you trying to make by mentioning Danyl's sexuality? I'm sure no one will mind talking about it on DS, it's a perennial favourite in fact.

I wasn't aware he made a song and dance about it (excuse the pun) and Dannii certainly did more to bring it to public attention. I'm not sure what you are implying about him being a teacher, would you like to elaborate?

Yes you can be open to forum gossip if you go on a show like X-factor, but that doesn't mean everybody enjoys character assassination, or that the people that suffer it, deserve it, necessarily.

X factor isn't BB - the contestants aren't there to be critiqued 24 hrs a day, they are hoping to be judged on their voices and performance, after all.

Lol. No. Thank goodness!

If anyone mentions anything about a persons sexuality, the PC brigade come out and start trying to call people homophobic. Yet, they are unfazed by Danyl, who before even signing in the X Factor finals was boasting about his sexual conquests. Oh well....

They are now trying to say Rhydian is out of order for giving his opinion - this is a classically trained, world class singer and apparently his truthful criticisms of Danyl's technically flawed voice are not appropriate. Here's me thinking X-Factor was a singing show where we are meant to discuss people's voices.

And to the point you have referenced - I only mentioned Danyl's sexuality (in a non derogatory way) to illustrate how it is silly for Danyl to be so stroppy over criticisms he receives when he is talking to the tabloids about his sexual escapades and being so open for scrutiny.

You brought up Danyl's sexuality as far as I'm aware, so you put yourself out there for the replies.

I, and most others have not said that Rhydian does not have the right to criticise Danyl's VOICE.

Although many have said that his lauding of Olly, renders his 'expert' credentials a bit dubious.

Most are angry about Rhydian's unnecessary comments about Danyl's character 'he's not very nice' etc.

People have made this clear to you before funkydory, please do not wilfully misunderstand the issue.

Rhydian was giving HIS OPINION! Lots of people get the same impression as Rhydian - that Danyl is smug and arrogant. Even the judges have alluded to it. However, certain people also really like Danyl and think these things are untrue - so it cuts both ways. And Rhydian DID JUDGE DANYL ON HIS VOICE - he pointed out the obvious fact that Danyl's voice is flat most of the time!

Rhydian never said anything bad - he stated what his impression is. That is the premise of a reality show. We are asked what we think of someone and then vote accordingly. Rhydian, being a singer of some merit has an equally valid point to make. People who disagree can do what we are doing - discuss it.

I've already stated several times what I meant about Danyl's sexuality. Are you unable to read my posts or are you trying to be a PC internet policeman and waiting to arrest me for 'homophobia'? I PERSONALLY find it crass when people talk to tabloids about intimate details of their life. In the case of Danyl, I found it inappropriate to talk about his sex life to millions of people in a newspaper when he a school teacher. That was my point.

Just read my previous post please funkydory.

Strictly, Rhydian has the right to express his opinion on Danyl's character (which he DID).

But as he did so with no evidence to back it up, he can then rightfully and justly be thought of as a person who is willing to smear and to jump any popularity bandwaggon.

And many people, including his fans, wished he'd never said such an unkind and essentially stupid thing. Okay?

I agree with you.

funkydory what has his teaching got to do with anything?

Also brave to come out to the press if you ask me, better than have so called mates do it for you.

Stephen Gately lived a lie for years, was unhappy and miserable, I would much prefer Dan to say what he is and be happy with it, he said on stage back to Dannii "I am not ashamed" and nor should he be. Will Young had to come out the day after he won, as the NOTW were about to do it for him, so had he not he would have been outed by a newspaper. I imagine Dan has seen all of this go on and decided to do it himself. I certainly did not read him bragging about it, that was not my take on the story at all.

GG

Do you train to be so condascending? Are you the internet gestapo? Don't act like you are 'tolerating me'. I'm giving my opinion on this subject as is my right. I wasn't aware I had to justify my opinion to you.

Danyl put his sexuality out there for the world to see when he talked at length about how he can seduce straight men etc. DANYL brought that up! Again, for the umpteenth time, Danyl is agrown man who cries at criticisms over his 'flat' vocie but is willing to talk to the tabloids about his sex life. I find that disgusting. That's my opinion. Like it, dislike.

I fully support Ryhdians right to make his opinion known. Danyl's voice is flat. Why can't Rhydian not point that out? Also, if Rhydian gets an impression that Danyl is not very nice he is free to say it. Danyl has already been rude to Kandy Rain and Stacey. The judges have aknowledge this but to comment on Danyl's character is inappropriate?

I really was trying to avoid coming in to defend but I am actually irratated now.

Three things.

One, he was open about his sexuality. That has nothing to do with the show, or to do with his singing therefore it is not relevent. I don't see why you feel the need to keep questioning it.

Two, he was not bragging about pulling straight them. There was an article in a newspaper in which someone who knows him CLAIMED that he had pulled straight men. He actually joked about it on twitter.

Three, I don't think he comes across at all cocky. I am sick of this now. Because he really can't win. If he goes for it then he's cocky, if he stands there and just sings it then people pick him apart and say he needs to put on a show. So honestly, it seems to be a personal attack on him.

Anyway, I, for one, do not care what Rhydian has said about him musically. Because I am more than willing to admit that he was flat on Careless Whisper (but he picked it back up). And I am more than willing to admit that he doesn't always have perfect pitch. So, to be honest if people criticise him then its fine. But there were a lot of people worse than him last week and they get away without a comment about it. That's not particularly fair.

And as for trashing someone you don't know, based on their 'personality' then I would think that Rhydian would be the first person to understand how horrible that feels.

Danyl is a school teacher to children and is in a national newspaper talking about his sexual escapades. You don't find that weird? I personally find that disgusting. But to each their own.

How is it brave to come out? Bravery is what those guys and girls in Afghansistan are doing. It was, in my opinion evidence of Danyl's self indulgent nature. before he had even sung in the show, he was talking about his sex life.

It is for reasons like this that people think he is smarmy. If people "get a vibe" from him, they should be allowed to express it.

Rhydian is being villified by Danyls supporters because he said he sings flat and he does not like him. If Rhydian gets that impression then that is his opinion.

To condemn someone for " character assassination" is simply silly when we are being asked to comment on people and vote for them in the context of a reality TV show. Is it wrong for people to say they find someone nice if that haven't met that person?

Rhydian has the right to say what he likes, even if the evidence is some old unsubstantiated gossip in a newspaper, that essentially means nothing.

However, the fact that he did make these remarks lays him open to the perception that he is happy to trash and smear and jump on the popularity bandwaggon in order to get some publicity for his new album.

Most of his fans put it down to a gaffe, very few actually agree that it was either kind, or clever.

I apologise if I'm coming across as condescending, I am in fact trying to be as clear as possible with you, as your answers seem heated and a little confused.

I pretty much agree with that post.

My comment about Danly's bisexuality has been explained. People seem to think mentioning it is being homophobic or something. (just like they tried to accuse Dannii of being homophobic. lol). I was actually alluding to the point that I find Danyl smug, contrived and arrogant. I also fing it strange how he can be open about his sex life to a tabloid and then get so upset with criticisms over his performances in a singing competition. That's my opinion. I actually never questioned it and am only commenting on it as the PC brigade quoted that one little morsel of information from my post which was actually about something else.

I agree that here are worse singers in the competition. There has been some absolute horrors this year. But equally, I think someone of Rhydians calibre giving truthful criticisms of Danyl's voice does carry some weight. We all know Danyl is flat in most of his performances. Further, why can't Rhydian express his view of someone - it is acceptable to say how you like someone based on intangible factors but you are not allowed to say how you dislike someone based intangible factors? But, in the case of Danyl there has been evidence he has been a bit to big for his boots when with the way he treated Stacey and Kandy Rain - hence why people may form a negative opinion of him.

My goodness in this day and age you say what you do and do not think you are being homophobic.

My son has two teachers in his school both openly gay one is male one is female. He nor I have any problem with it. They are not on national TV where such stories get leaked, so better to get them out in the open oneself, or be open to be branded as in the closet, or hiding it. You seem to have a problem with Dan is bisexual and a school teacher, that really is saying that gays and bisexuals who are should hide the fact then, sorry I think not.

I did not mean *brave* the way you have said it my friend, but there are all types of bravery, and opening oneself up to the mire that the press can throw is not for the feint hearted, no more than going on a show like this is.

I don't think that's a fair comment to make. He can be open and honest with who he is because it is part of him. I don't think he's all that upset with the comments about him singing. I think he's getting upset with the way the press are waiting to print something else negative about him. No matter what he does he loses. Cheryl cannot bring herself to say anything nice about him, which I find particularly annoying when she still has Lloyd and praises him like hell.

I think, out of all the judges this year, the only one who has been fair with her comments has been Danni. She has told him when he has been flat, and she has pulled him up over singing. But she has also given praise where praise is due. Unlike Cheryl who constantly criticises him as a person (no "i really liked you're demeanor" does not count as praise) or Simon who is too willing to praise him.

As for Danyl being too big for his boots. Kandy Rain retracted the comments about him bulling them. The thing with Stacey has been much discussed and it seems all over now. For all we know she was just over sensitive and he got the brunt of her annoyance. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

I don't think it's fair to judge someone's personality based on what the press decide to print.

Go and reads my post. Don't even start that nonsense which you are intimating.Trying to use the homophobic card is way below the belt. You are deliberately failing to understand my comments so that you can act all PC and high and mighty. I don't have a problem with his sexuality - I couldn't actually give a toss about it. But similarly, I referenced it to make a point which sadly you have chosen to misunderstand. Please quote where I said gays should hide their sexuality?

I NEVER SAID ANYTHING DEROGATORY ABOUT DANYL'S SEXUALITY BUT MERELY USED IT TO ILLUSTRATE MY POINT OF HOW HE IS TALKING ABOUT THINGS AS PRIVATE AS THAT AND THEN BEMOANING WHEN PEOPLE CRITICISE HIM FOR MORE INSIGNIFICANT THINGS!!!!!!!!!

And as for your little school teacher story - they are not talking to the press about their sex lives therefore it is an entirely different kettle of fish.

So Rhydian can tell a flat note when he hears one then?

Pity he didn't think about that before the awful mess he made of his duet with Kathryn Jenkins in the 2007 final. So much for a world class vocalist, Kathryn showed him up for what he is a poor mans wannabe.

But that point has been answered. And better out now than 'outed' later surely, then he could be accused of covering it up.

As for the school thing - YOU have said that several times, that you don't like it that he mentioned his sexuality because he was a school teacher. GG made a valid point.

And why would you think it was okay to say unpleasant things about Danyl because he has admitted he was bisexual?