I personally do find it disgusting when celebs tell their intimate details about sex. I also do find it crass what Danyl has done. But that's just my opinion and I am getting sick of having to constantly explain as I have already done so in several posts.

I agree there are worse singers but Danyl is given standing ovations every time he sings. His performances do not merit that. But you are absolutely right in your observation that the judges bias does affect the credibility of the show.

The thing is, we are asked to fork out money on people in a singing competition. We will never know that person but can only form an opinion of them based on their singing, demeanour, interviews, press reports. Whilst some of the stories have been exaggerated or flat out lies, Louis has state that Danyl did upset his girl group Kandy Rain and that it was Danyls fault. Further, lots of people do get a certain arrogant vibe from him based on the way he acts - it might be intangible but it does affect the way people think. We all use subconscious messages to form opinons.

Rhydian should be allowed to voice his opinion aswell especially when he was giving a factual criticism of Danyl's voice and shattering the myth that Simon Cowell is trying to promote that namely, Danyl is an incredible singer.

He also seems to think Olly "out of tune for two weeks" should win, and never mentioned him being out of tune, so much for his ears then.

And my story was backed up about the school teachers by saying they are open about it, they are not on a show where they have to speak to the press, but I imagine if they were they would still be open about it, it is who they are.

You made the reference to Dans sexuality and his teaching I did not! I find it rather odd that you think he should not say anything about it, why not? what reason would he have to lie about it knowing full well stories would be out there about the contestants just have they have been out there in the past. Do you think for one minute the 15 and 16 year olds he teaches had not got a clue, as if you do you are not much up with todays youth in my opinion, as they are pretty savvy these days.

GG

This is very true. And thus we should, perhaps, be on our guard against being manipulated by the media.

FunkyDory90210

I see you are a new member so you need to learn a few things about this place.

You MUST NOT have a negative opinion of goldenboy as you will be attacked and people will try their hardest to bring you down so be quiet.

Absolutely. The press in this country is cruel.

But we all do form opinions of people and when that is placed in the context of a singing competition, where we are asked to vote for a person we like, then we use all the factors available to us to make a vote.

Some of Danyls stories may be made up, half truths, lies etc but some of the thing are true and his personal vibe does emit a certain arrogance to a lot of people. If Rhydian picked up on this then he is free to state it.

We should never take someone's opinion as fact but we shouldn't condemn their right to speak it either.

If you think that about his sexuality then that's fine. But all he has actually said is "I'm Bisexual". He was very open about it and as he said on the show he was "not ashamed" so fair play to him. It's got nothing to do with anything though really.

I don't think his performances have all deserved standing ovations. But neither have Olly's and he has got them as well. And I think you will find most of the judges have been doing it for their acts. Simon has really screwed Danyl over with all of his positive feedback to be perfectly honest. Danyl is not perfect, most people appreciate this. But most people can also see that he has got something about him that makes him stand out. Whether that be in a love him way or a hate him way goes down to the person.

I think he seems very normal to be honest. I cannot see the arrogance. I can see a mask that he puts on when he goes on stage but I don't see that as arrogance personally. But each to their own, because you are right people do form opinions based on what they see on television. It is just a shame people do it based on what the judges are saying because like I said, Cheryl has been very unfair to him this year.

As for the Kandy Rain thing, people need to let that go. The comments have been retracted. And Jamie and Miss Frank have both come out and said that he is a nice person. So there is positives out there as well.

I think Danyl fans, or fanyls, if you will, are more than happy to argue and discuss issues surrounding Danyl.

That's what the board is about no?

Of course, if you don't wish to actually do that, it must be a shock to encounter articulate opposition.

So please don't be quiet, I enjoy a bit of an argument.

lol. I'm starting to see that!

Apparently commenting on someone sexuality, in a non derogatory manner, to make a point that I have explained is homophobic.

I hate when people use the homophobic card with no reason. All I said was Danyl is being candid about his sex life but getting upset when people criticise his performances. To me there is an element of contradiction as if you go into so much detail about something as private as your sex life you are opening yourself up to scrutiny. Sadly, making that point has left me with charges of homophobia by the PC brigade!

I was just warning you, just don't say bad things about him as it will lead to trouble. You'll become a marked man so watch your back, It's like a rough council estate full of gangs.

I don't think anyone has said he doesn't have the right to say what he said.

It does however, make Rhydian look like an unpleasant twonk, I'm afraid.

And the fact that people have said this, seems to have angered you. But, by judging Danyl openly in this way, without thought or evidence or personal knowledge, he has laid himself open to judgement.

Yes we do all form opinions of people, but the press have been less than kind to Danyl, the story about Kandi Rain was retracted by the girls themselves I understand. The Stacey thing seems well out of proportion to be honest with you, she was upset cos she was branded a bad mother by the press, okay fair enough, but why blame Dan for what the press wrote he did not write it, he simply read it out, I imagine with a load of other stories as well.

I can tell you now my opinion of Olly has gone down hill fast, he seemed to think he had it in the bag, got bigged up by the judges when in fact for two weeks sang totally out of tune, and yet Dan has a few bum notes and the judges go for him, or people on here do, which makes no sense when Olly was even worse, hence he ended up in the bottom. Stacey has not always sung in tune and it was not picked up on either.

So I think the judges have a lot to answer for, if they are going to pick up one person then pick them all up on it, it may actually be helpful to the act to know they have not done so well, instead of them going off thinking they were great.

Rhydian is entitled to his view, but I think to pick someones persona apart when he himself was not given the best of starts as being called *cocky and arrogant* seems a bit harsh, when his success came from this very show.

You also seem to think that the whole world out there thinks Dan is arrogant, cocky, smary well if they did he would have gone home long ago as no one would be voting for the guy. Your opinions are just that, and mine are just that, you vote for who you like and I vote for who I like or don't vote as the case maybe.

I do not see any problem with Dan coming out in the press, no more than I had a problem with Will Young doing so, and wish to god Stephen Gately had done years before he did. You say you do not like celebs talking about their sex lives, sadly if they do not someone else will (many being so called friends!), and not only tell the story they will also enlarge on it and do it for money which is even worse.

GG

Its because they learned it from the Jedward fans.

That made me laugh.

You are totally misunderstanding point.

I NEVER SAID DANYL SHOULD HIDE HIS SEXUALITY. Rather, I said, if you are being candid about such things then do not cry when people criticise your singing voice or other lesser things.

P.S. I am not trying to argue but merely presenting my opinion. But please refrain from your homophobia slurs as that is uncalled for - that is just sad to accuse people of things they have not displayed. I have said no such thing and you have overlooked my other points. You wouldn't like it if I called you racist just because you said something perfectly fine about someone's race.

Dan is happy with who he is, and I think all of them get upset when they do not sing as well as they hoped or thought they had. However, there are some in this competition who can sing out of tune and get praised which makes me cross with the judges.

So no, I do not get your point on he should be okay with being told that was rubbish as opposed to his sexuality, the two are not the same, so I am not sure I get where you are coming from at all, so please can you explain?

I think they should all be told when they are out of tune, or the dancing was dire, trouble is that is not happening on this show.

Your reasoning seems to be that as he has admitted his bisexuality, then he should not moan about criticisms of 'other', 'lesser' things - presumably general character assassination as well as his voice then.

I've asked you this before funkydory, but why do you think it is okay to have a go at Danyl because he has come out as Bisexual?

Angered me? lol.

Oh, I'm so full of rage that you folks would attack Rhydian. PMSL. Not at all - I just hate when people misunderstand people's words. Rhydian said a lot of factual truth which the judges should have been pointing out..

Actually, I am standing up for Rhydians view as I agree with it. Danyl's voice is flat! What Rhydian thinks personally about Danyl is his own issue.

The same people who say Rhydian has no right to judge Danyl as he does not know him are the same people who say how nice Danyl is yet equally, they also do not know him. That's illogical.

Ok so your saying only people who say nothing about themselves should only get upset.

Im sorry but people get upset over different thing just because one thing does not bother them, does not mean other things said about them wont bother them as well.

Its like me saying to everyone that im gay and then someone saying Im a bad mother. Of course I have the right to be upset if they do as my sexuallty has nothing to do with me being a mother.

Just like Danyl sexuallty has nothing to do with his singing and how he should feel over it.

I think you and I are trying to get to the same answer as that is what I want to know, one has no bearing on the other as far as I can see.

He did not open himself up to be bullied like he has been just cos he said he was bisexual? I am sure if he thought this would happen he may not have been so open, but I for one am glad he was open, as if not the press would have had a field day even more than they have now with the poor guy. I do not think anyone deserves the character assignation that this bloke has been given and with not a shred of proof to any of it either.

GG

Not what I am saying! Please stick to my actual words and not a wrong interpretation of them

I personally feel that Danyl should not reveal such intimate details. Of course, he can do what he wants, but equally, I can comment on his actions. It's got nothing to do with his sexual orientation but rather that even before he sang in the finals, we were treated to a little account of his sexual escapades. I find those kind of things crass - gay, straight whoever does them!

No-one was mocking his sexuality. If you think that you are wrong. And actually, my post was actually about how his voice is overrated and Rhydian pointed that out.

Again, we are not moaning about Rhydian criticising Danyl's voice. That is a red herring.

I am saying that he appeared as an upleasant twonk by making a public judgement, based on little evidence, about Danyl's CHARACTER.

You have said in defence of Rhydian that well you think so too, but have since retracted that there is reasonable evidence for this.

You said that he has the right to his opinion. I have answered that he has, however, laid himself open to judgement.

You have also said, and continued to say, that it is alright for Rhydian to denigrate Danyls character - because Danyl has admitted he is bisexual, which is much more 'serious' or something.

I have asked you and will ask you again: Why do you think is is fine to trash Danyl's personality, because he as come out as bisexual - because THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

Over rated by whom?

I think if you were to hear some of his own songs, where there is NO money note and in tune you may see a different singer. I for weeks as a fan have said on here I do not want he money note as I have heard his other stuff and he does not need to do it, but SC thinks otherwise and he is calling the shots. Yes Dan wanted his song changed, but he only had a choice of two, and I am sure even the second one was not what he would have liked to have sung, he had no choice it was a themed week, he is hardly Wham or George Michael style singer.

Joe even got to sing an Elton John song, now come on that is a bit unfair and stretching the imagination a tad too far, and Staceys was Bonnie Raits song not GMs, so things are manipulated on this show, including the judges comments.

I respect your opinion as to not liking people to talk sex in newspapers, unfortunately in this very sad world we live in, if he had not someone else would have and I think you are not seeing that point, and it would have happened, it has in the past. Will Young would have been outted the day after he won, he had to go to the press with his own story to stop the ones they were going to print.

GG

I didnt say anyone was mocking his sexuality. So who doing the miss interpretation now.

I was pointing out that what you are coming across as saying is because Danyl has taked about his sexuality you think he shouldnt get upset about other aspects of his life.

When that is totally wrong

As everyone has a right to get upset over any aspects of their life. No matter what they have said about themselves.

You are relating two things which I have not said.

I personally couldn't give a flying fuvk about Danyl's sexuality - gay, straight, bisexual. I was relating the fact that he talked about details of his escapades even before he had sang in the finals and that he opened up such a private part of his life. When you open up your life your have to be prepared for scrutiny. I personally find it crass when celebs talk about their sex lives. But that's just me.

I NEVER HAD A GO AT DANYL'S SEXUALITY. SO YOU ARE WRONG TO SAY THAT! My original post was about his voice.

I did however mention his flat singing voice. Equally, I have acknowledged that there are worse singers in the competition than him.

Danyl opened up about an intimate part of his life voluntarily before he had even sang. I personally do find that he is very egotistical and self indulgent - talking about your sex life to a newspaper is not the ways of an innocent person. I aslo do find it strange how he gets so upset over criticisms. But that's just me.

Further, he seems, in my eyes slightly contrived and smarmy. His voice is very flat and screechy and his facial contortions are annoying in my opinion.

Danyl can be annoyed and upset about what he wants. But people who do not like him have a right to express their views on him since we are being asked to spend money and vote for these 'singers'.