You still seem to miss the point had he not spoken out someone else would have, and I know which I would prefer to tell my own story, not someone else tell it and tell lies and then get paid for it at my expense. Once someone else spills the beans you are then defending yourself which can make people think, OH why did he not say in the first place... he was damned if he did and he was damned if he didn't.

And you can say no one would have, well that is not true as several have since sold stories to the papers.

And you said it in a nut shell right at the end

We are spending money on them for their singing.

So I dont see why his sexuality came into this at all.

Also since when has talking about your sex life made you a criminal???

I've only one thing I'd like to say to Rhydian and that is:

Leon won and it was the first time I ever voted on a RTV show.

So you lucked out Rhydian....and you are also so wrong about Danyl as you were about your own ability to win X Factor. Sorry mate, but take your advice elsewhere.

You are being incredibly rude.

I HAVE NEVER SAID IT WAS RIGHT TO ATTACK SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY ARE BISEXUAL. You have just said that I said that - please provide the quote of my words where I urge people to attack someone because they are bisexual.

My gripe with Danyl is his self indulgent ways - to me going to a newspaper and talking about your sex life is crass. I t doesn't matter the person's sexual orientation. It's the content.

So your attempt at trying to brand me homophobic are crass (but rather predictable for a politically correct person). I also find it disgusting when Katie Price talks about her sex life - am I heterophobic when I show my distaste at her?

Now, for the last time I will clarify my views for the PC brigade who like to call people racist and homophobic for no good reason:

1. I support Ryhdians right to express his opinion.
2. I agree that Danyl has a flat singing voice.
3. I PERSONALLY get the impression that Danyl is smug and arrogant. His manner, demeanour, way about him create this impression in my mind.
4. I do not like people who indulge such private accounts of their sex life - to me it is crass.

Other people like Danyl. That is the subjectivity of music.

So, you are saying that his admission of his bisexuality, means that he shouldn't moan about being trashed in the papers?

Admitting his sexuality was open and sensible, it would only come out anyway, and it is nothing to be ashamed of surely.

But because he has done this, he should take character assassination on the chin - or people should think he, I don't know, shouldn't be upset because then he's 'playing the victim'?

I'm sorry, I've tried, but I still can't get to grips with your reasoning.

Hi everyone. I've been trying to find the news story youre referring to. Ive been looking at all the articles I can find about him, ( yes I'm a fan) and I cant find anythin where hes disclosed any 'sexual escapades' himself ( Though others have, for perhaps rather dubious reasons .) What he apparently said ( in news of the World , so pinches of salt may be needed;

"I've dated men AND women."
"I am a massive flirt. I wouldn't rule out someone just because of their gender."
"I haven't been in that many relationships, only about four. It's been a year since I was last with someone - that's horrible!
"I hate boxes, so I don't like to call myself gay, straight or bisexual. But yeah, I'll admit that I have dated men."

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/show...onfession.html

What's so wrong with that?

I am not relating his sexuality to his voice.

IT WAS DANYL WHO BROUGHT IT UP WHEN HE WENT TO THE TABLOIDS. Why did Danyl bring it up then? Stop blaming me for mentioning that he is bisexual. Is it a crime to mention that someone is bisexual if they have admitted it themselves. For goodness sake!

I am not saying anything derogatory about it. I couldn't actually give a fuvk about him to be honest. But he didn't just 'come out' - he was full on bragging about his escapades. If it was anyone of any sexual dispensation I feel the same. Read my other posts for my views on it.

Those types of stories are part of why people perceive him to be cocky.

I think it time for bed and giving up, as I have said several times here, Dan came out in the press as someone else would have, sad world we live in but true.

By coming out it seems funkydory thinks Danyl is crass, well sorry I do not agree with you. Sex sells papers and sadly papers pay mega bucks to so called *friends* for stories such as this. It would have hit the papers, so better to hit it yourself than some swine get money at your expense and very probably tell a pack of lies into the bargain.

You seem not to want to address that point at all though.

Have you ever thought that maybe Danyl did not want to go to the press, but he knew what would happen if he did not, they would get their story elsewhere.

He was not full of anything, he made a couple of comments about dating men as well as women, no names mentioned no escapades in fact he said he has not had many relationships, so hardly escapades of any sort.

Well, you'll just have to get on with things if you can't get to grips with my reasoning.

I am not beholding to you or your opinion and thus will present my opinion. You seem obsessed with my opinion however.

Danyl's character assassination is nothing of the sort.

Danyl did act poorly towards Kandy Rain - a fact confirmed by Louis Walsh.

Danyl did make Stacey cry - fact.

I will never know what Danyl is really like and don't really want to. But in areality show, where I am asked to form an opinion, subconsciously we do base our opinions on a host of factors. If I do not like someone then I can state that. Equally, if I like someone then I can state that too.

To be fair, you have said, he shouldn't have come out because he was a teacher of small children.

You have said that talking about his sexuality to the papers was 'crass' and 'weird' and that you didn't approve.

You have also said that as he has told the papers about his sexuality then Danyl can't moan about people criticising him for other 'lesser' things (his character, presumably as well as his voice).

This does suggest that you think the admission of his sexuality is the most serious and damaging thing he could have done (everything else is lesser). And it seems harsh and strange to excuse others unpleasantness on the grounds that Danyl has revealed his sexuality - don't you think?

Especially as for many it seems a sensible and honest thing to do and NO BIG DEAL.

But it does seem one to you, whether you 'care' or not about it.

This has been my problem with the whole 'excuse' thing.

Rhydian has a right to criticise Danyl's voice, he is a singer in a singing competition.

He has the right to say what he wants about Danyl, but he will also be judged for it if he has no credible evidence -and he has been.

And just because Danyl has admitted his sexuality in the press, doesn't mean that character assassination is in any way decent or fair, I'm afraid.

The post above .

As for you bring it up his sexuality then you shouldnt have brough it up in a thread that had nothing to do with it if you didnt want people to debate with you over it.

I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT DANYL'S SEXUALITY.

You really have problems understanding my actual words. Further, I am not beholding to you or any member of the PC brigade and will state my views.

My issue is with people, not just Danyl revealing sexual details about intimate stories.

But in the bigger sense and more pertinent, I just find him smug and smarmy. I do not like his voice and other feel equally the same.

What the same Louis Walsh who said Westlife had had a terrible plane crash (forgot to tell their parents it was a publicity stunt though), or said Mark from Westlife loved Mariah and wanted to date her when in fact Mark is gay! yes that Louis Walsh, who is prepared to lie when it suits his needs! So anything he says take with a pinch of salt, and Kandi Rain have said it did not happen? so are they lying as well now?

Were you there or know Stace personally to state FACT he made her cry, more tabloid rubbish if you ask me, she cried yes, but it was over a press story that Dan read out, god BEHEAD the man now he must not read stories out the papers!

I think the articles containing stories of sexual escapades came from other people - such as this one:

Stephen Blackie, 26, told the News of the World: "Danyl always believed that if he liked someone he could definitely have them. He loved the attention he got and would say, 'I can make anyone fall for me'.

"And it didn't matter if they were male or female, gay or straight - one night I saw him snog three men and three women in the same club."

Stephen watched in awe as Danyl, 27, went on the rampage.

WHAM! One night he snogged three different men in a gay club within minutes of each other.

BAM! He took a fancy to a straight guy - and managed to pull him as his astonished band mates looked on.

THANK YOU MA'AM! And even girls weren't safe if Danyl fancied a bit of the other sex.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/show...l-Johnson.html

yep - pretty gratuitous stuff - but a) it comes from a so-called friend and b) its the news of the World - how much do we believe?

My point about this is - look how mud sticks.

Actually I am just trying to understand exactly what your arguments are. And have asked for clarification.

I think I have understood now.

I am sad you have gone back on your earlier, sensible statement that you understood that lots of things in the press could be made up and exagerrated and musn't be 'taken as gospel'.

Never mind.

I don't perceive him to be cocky.

Quite the opposite in fact.

I also don't read tabloid news......never have.....and have never judged anyone on a show via what's printed about them.

I've been a RTV fan since joining this forum and can honestly say that I judge what I see simply on what's on my screen, and could care less what happens or what happened before or after.

I think Danyl is a brilliant singer. However, reading these threads along the line and noting stuff that has been said about him, I do believe that he changed somewhere along the line of the show from being a gutsy confident singer, to a shadow.

I believe he has it in him to be brilliant.......but he's been quite poor recently even though you know he has the potential to really go for it.

So in that respect, I do think his confidence has been dented, and I feel sorry for him that his personal life seems to have affected his performance.

That said, I do agree with others that he has to tough it out and show what he's made of......i.e. make or break time.

So I'm still routing for him to do it and do an incredible performance, but not to win or to be a winner, but for his own self confidence.

Stop saying I am against Danyl coming out. I have never said that!!! Stop lying about words I HAVE NEVER SPOKE. Quote my actual words and not your wrong interpretation of them please as you are CHARACTER ASSASSINATING ME AT THE MOMENT with your ignorance!

I am against celebs generally revealling their sex lives. But I am against Danyl as I personally find it crass to talk about such things when you are a school teacher. Too me, in my world that is crass. It has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. I only mentioned his bisexuality as he is bisexual. If he was gay I would have stated that. If he was heterosexual I would stated that.

That's the last I am saying on it as I have explained it in several posts. If blind, PC cronies cannot fathom my point or wish to try and misconstrue me as homophobic then they can waste their energy doing that.

I personally do not believe Rhydian is character assassinating. If he finds Danyl smug them so be it. Lots of people do. It doesn't mean Danyl is not it means that to some people he comes accross as that.

Just as people are allowed to say how nice Danyl is without having met him, people can equally base thier subjective views on Danyl on intangibles.

People's opinions of Danyl will always be based, for the most part, on intangibles since none of us know. Neither the fans or 'critics'. Both views are subjective however.

I agree with you GG.

I don't think I can make myself clear enough to Funkydory, which is a shame.

Still, they have had a lot of posters to read and answer so perhaps another time.



And I didn't address the circumstances of the revelations because I didn't know much about them and others in the thread had done it and it didn't seem terrible to me.

I think it was a sensible thing to do in the circumstances, and nothing to be ashamed of, though some people will have thought 'differently' of Danyl because of it.

I have not gone back on anything. Are you deliberately misunderstanding me?

The press can be cruel, but some of the things attributed to Danyl's behaviour - i.e. the Kandy Rain incident, Stacey crying etc are factually based. Louis even admitted it.

I also base my assessment of him on his performances which I feel are crap and not to my taste. Others feel differently. That's great!

Time for bed as this is going no where, I am not trying to convert this person, I am trying to make them see Dan would have been outed one way or another and best to do it oneself in my book, I have more respect for what he did say and it was hardly talking about his sex escapades was it. And to say that it is worse because he is a teacher really winds me up, as it makes no difference to his teaching skills or how the children perceive him either, that makes it sound like the poster thinks he is a pervert. So he teaches young kids so what? so do many gay and bisexual people.

GG

Sorry to burst your lttle self righteous bubble but I don't think the words 'tramp' and 'disgusting' are non-derogatory.

You have done nothing but hammer home the point that Danyl is bisexual and had the audacity to tell the press.

Your posts are full of emotive language which seeks to make others share your disgust that a teacher (gasp) should like both men and women (your 'girls' and 'boys' and harping on about him being a teacher of 'young' children makes it sound as if you feel he is not suitable to do that job BECAUSE of his sexuality).

All of that sounds very homophobic to me.

Rhydian can say what he likes, as can you, but to trash a man based on speculation and what you don't like about his lifestyle is very wrong.

Go back and read my story re Louis Walsh and Kandi Rain have stated it was not true, so why are you saying it is?

GG

You need to come up with something new.

I agree with you GG. I edited this post you have quoted to explain why I didn't go into the ins and outs of the actual pieces in the press.

I'm not trying to convert anyone either, I'm just trying to 'pick apart' and understand funkydory's reasoning.

And I'm lying, I was trying to get them to see their own reasoning too.

Didn't work though.

I'm also bored and can't sleep.

No offence Funkydory, it's been a blast, really.

Oh - and Danyl's flamin' fantastic by the way.