Its that cackling forced laugh which I can't stand, its not a natural laugh but a forced cackle which she deliberately uses. I had to switch over ITT when she was on yesterday.
Alesha might quit report
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Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Perhaps those of us with the opposite opinion wish you would do the same.”
“Perhaps those of us with the opposite opinion wish you would do the same.”
Negativity will always be countered with positivity.
If you stopped the bashing, there would be no need for us to defend Alesha. You made your point quite clear about her appointment as judge -- which is fair enough, but why keep banging on about it? Don't you get bored with repeating the same thing over and over?
Originally Posted by Balthus:
“With the exception of last Saturday
, on the whole, I think her critique and scoring has been fine. She's been working with choreographers for a long time, so no doubt she has picked up a lot of dance techniques from them -- as well as Matthew Cutler, of course.”
“With the exception of last Saturday
, on the whole, I think her critique and scoring has been fine. She's been working with choreographers for a long time, so no doubt she has picked up a lot of dance techniques from them -- as well as Matthew Cutler, of course.”
Matthew has a lifetime in dance - Alesha spent a maximum of 3 months under his guidance. Hardly qualifies her to judge the performance of other celebs.
Last Saturday her comments about Chris and Ola (too many pivots for me), followed by Karen's response in CC on ITT fully exposed the difference between those 'who can do and those who can't talk about it.'
Originally Posted by Balthus:
“Negativity will always be countered with positivity.
If you stopped the bashing, there would be no need for us to defend Alesha. You made your point quite clear about her appointment as judge -- which is fair enough, but why keep banging on about it? Don't you get bored with repeating the same thing over and over?”
“Negativity will always be countered with positivity.
If you stopped the bashing, there would be no need for us to defend Alesha. You made your point quite clear about her appointment as judge -- which is fair enough, but why keep banging on about it? Don't you get bored with repeating the same thing over and over?”
Do you?
As for bashing - did you miss my defence of Alesha on the 'grammar thread?'
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Perhaps those of us with the opposite opinion wish you would do the same.”
“Perhaps those of us with the opposite opinion wish you would do the same.”
Balthus is right though Ignazio, admit it. Your 'beef' with Alesha has been distinctly concerning, I dont know why.
Originally Posted by Vincy82:
“Balthus is right though Ignazio, admit it. Your 'beef' with Alesha has been distinctly concerning, I dont know why.”
“Balthus is right though Ignazio, admit it. Your 'beef' with Alesha has been distinctly concerning, I dont know why.”
See my above post Vincy.
I defended Alesha's grammar (or lack of it) - I do not defend her lack of credibility when making a dance critique.
She simply does not have the knowledge or the experience.
For heaven's sake - even her mentor Matt Cutler has taken the exams necessary to judge dance.
What does that say about Alesha's credibility when judging the intricacies of dance?
I would be equally appalled if SCD appointed any of the ex-celeb participants as a judge, because a few weeks training does not qualify anyone to sit in judgement on any dancer, when you are sitting with people who have a lifetime in dance.
I would be just as critical if my fav Jill Halfpenny was made a judge.
I would be just as critical if my fav Jill Halfpenny was made a judge.
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Its that cackling forced laugh which I can't stand, its not a natural laugh but a forced cackle which she deliberately uses. I had to switch over ITT when she was on yesterday.”
“Its that cackling forced laugh which I can't stand, its not a natural laugh but a forced cackle which she deliberately uses. I had to switch over ITT when she was on yesterday.”
It is such a shame when happiness cannot be accepted by those who aren't isn't it?
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Matthew has a lifetime in dance - Alesha spent a maximum of 3 months under his guidance. Hardly qualifies her to judge the performance of other celebs.
Last Saturday her comments about Chris and Ola (too many pivots for me), followed by Karen's response in CC on ITT fully exposed the difference between those 'who can do and those who can't talk about it.'”
“Matthew has a lifetime in dance - Alesha spent a maximum of 3 months under his guidance. Hardly qualifies her to judge the performance of other celebs.
Last Saturday her comments about Chris and Ola (too many pivots for me), followed by Karen's response in CC on ITT fully exposed the difference between those 'who can do and those who can't talk about it.'”
Karen also disagreed with Erin the previous week. The other judges always disagree and contradict each other -- so which one is right?
Originally Posted by Balthus:
“Karen also disagreed with Erin the previous week. The other judges always disagree and contradict each other -- so which one is right?”
“Karen also disagreed with Erin the previous week. The other judges always disagree and contradict each other -- so which one is right?”
Karen is a qualified judge - Erin is an experienced dancer and choreographer - Alesha is neither.
Originally Posted by Vincy82:
“It is such a shame when happiness cannot be accepted by those who aren't isn't it?”
“It is such a shame when happiness cannot be accepted by those who aren't isn't it?”
I feel sad for those who cannot distinguish natural from unnatural.
Her laugh is not natural but something which she has deliberately cultivated. It covers a multitude and is a great defense mechanism.
Originally Posted by jkennedy737:
“This is where you are wrong - do you really think Alesha just got to where she is because of her singing voice? NO. She got their through her dancing skills and went to dance classes when she was younger, learning techniques.”
“This is where you are wrong - do you really think Alesha just got to where she is because of her singing voice? NO. She got their through her dancing skills and went to dance classes when she was younger, learning techniques.”
When Alesha was first a contestant on SCD she stated that she had never had dance training although she had always wanted to do so. Reading your statement above leads me to believe that either you are a liar or Alesha is one.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“
Do you?
As for bashing - did you miss my defence of Alesha on the 'grammar thread?'”
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Do you?
As for bashing - did you miss my defence of Alesha on the 'grammar thread?'”
To be honest, yes.
I should try and steer clear of the Alesha bashing threads...You lot obviously enjoy having a good whinge.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Karen is a qualified judge - Erin is an experienced dancer and choreographer - Alesha is neither.”
“Karen is a qualified judge - Erin is an experienced dancer and choreographer - Alesha is neither.”
Craig and Bruno are dancers and choreographers too -- not qualified judges.
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I feel sad for those who cannot distinguish natural from unnatural.
Her laugh is not natural but something which she has deliberately cultivated. It covers a multitude and is a great defense mechanism.”
“I feel sad for those who cannot distinguish natural from unnatural.
Her laugh is not natural but something which she has deliberately cultivated. It covers a multitude and is a great defense mechanism.”
Care to explain what exactly you mean by that?
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Her laugh is not natural but something which she has deliberately cultivated. It covers a multitude and is a great defense mechanism.”
“Her laugh is not natural but something which she has deliberately cultivated. It covers a multitude and is a great defense mechanism.”
And you know Alesha well enough to state this is correct? You don't. A person's laugh cannot be faked. Her laugh is genuine - like it or lump it ...
Originally Posted by jkennedy737:
“This is where you are wrong - do you really think Alesha just got to where she is because of her singing voice? NO. She got their through her dancing skills and went to dance classes when she was younger, learning techniques.
While in Mis-Teeq she had to judge what dancers would be their backing dancers & learn dances herself. Then she joins Strictly, learns everything about dancing hands-on and wins the show. then has lots of success with singing & dancing being her real talent on stage.”
“This is where you are wrong - do you really think Alesha just got to where she is because of her singing voice? NO. She got their through her dancing skills and went to dance classes when she was younger, learning techniques.
While in Mis-Teeq she had to judge what dancers would be their backing dancers & learn dances herself. Then she joins Strictly, learns everything about dancing hands-on and wins the show. then has lots of success with singing & dancing being her real talent on stage.”
Incorrect. Alesha did NOT have dancing lessons as a child. She met her band members at a dance school when she was 20, but didn't have professional lessons.
I know Alesha, adore her like a sister, but openly said I didn't agree with the SCD spot. I said as long as she was happy I'd support her in her decision though. As much as I'd like her to leave after this series to stop hearing the vitriol you lot spout everytime she breathes I would also like her to stay just to piss you lot off even more.
The BBC want her. She wants to be there. Deal with it or switch off. Just because you pay 100 quid a year for your TV licence it doesn't mean you have the write to call the BBC into practice over who they put on their TV show. All your money does is stop the advertisement of other products during show breaks. There's at least 4 other channels you can watch if the vision of Alesha offends you that much.
I don't like certain cast members of Emmerdale, so I don't watch it. I don't go on a rant about each member and demand they get the sack because I don't like them.
Originally Posted by aleshadixonNET:
“And you know Alesha well enough to state this is correct? You don't. A person's laugh cannot be faked. Her laugh is genuine - like it or lump it ...
Incorrect. Alesha did NOT have dancing lessons as a child. She met her band members at a dance school when she was 20, but didn't have professional lessons.
I know Alesha, adore her like a sister, but openly said I didn't agree with the SCD spot. I said as long as she was happy I'd support her in her decision though. As much as I'd like her to leave after this series to stop hearing the vitriol you lot spout everytime she breathes I would also like her to stay just to piss you lot off even more.
The BBC want her. She wants to be there. Deal with it or switch off. Just because you pay 100 quid a year for your TV licence it doesn't mean you have the write to call the BBC into practice over who they put on their TV show. All your money does is stop the advertisement of other products during show breaks.”
“And you know Alesha well enough to state this is correct? You don't. A person's laugh cannot be faked. Her laugh is genuine - like it or lump it ...
Incorrect. Alesha did NOT have dancing lessons as a child. She met her band members at a dance school when she was 20, but didn't have professional lessons.
I know Alesha, adore her like a sister, but openly said I didn't agree with the SCD spot. I said as long as she was happy I'd support her in her decision though. As much as I'd like her to leave after this series to stop hearing the vitriol you lot spout everytime she breathes I would also like her to stay just to piss you lot off even more.
The BBC want her. She wants to be there. Deal with it or switch off. Just because you pay 100 quid a year for your TV licence it doesn't mean you have the write to call the BBC into practice over who they put on their TV show. All your money does is stop the advertisement of other products during show breaks.”
Please beg her to come back next year!
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Its that cackling forced laugh which I can't stand, its not a natural laugh but a forced cackle which she deliberately uses. I had to switch over ITT when she was on yesterday.”
“Its that cackling forced laugh which I can't stand, its not a natural laugh but a forced cackle which she deliberately uses. I had to switch over ITT when she was on yesterday.”
She sounds like a cricket. Definitely a fake laugh. But a gorgeous woman. If she looked at the reply and got a listen, it's an eash habit to break. I'd rather have her looks and cricket laugh, than Natalies looks and lisp any day Can't practice or buy beauty. Sorry Nat, too bad!!
Originally Posted by Balthus:
“Craig and Bruno are dancers and choreographers too -- not qualified judges.”
“Craig and Bruno are dancers and choreographers too -- not qualified judges.”
Alesha is not a dancer, choreographer nor qualified judge.
Those you quote can claim 2 out 3 - Alesha scores 0 out of 3.
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I feel sad for those who cannot distinguish natural from unnatural.
Her laugh is not natural but something which she has deliberately cultivated. It covers a multitude and is a great defense mechanism.”
“I feel sad for those who cannot distinguish natural from unnatural.
Her laugh is not natural but something which she has deliberately cultivated. It covers a multitude and is a great defense mechanism.”
Why on earth would she want to cultivate a laugh like muttley
Completely natural laugh imo.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Alesha is not a dancer, choreographer nor qualified judge.
Those you quote can claim 2 out 3 - Alesha scores 0 out of 3.”
“Alesha is not a dancer, choreographer nor qualified judge.
Those you quote can claim 2 out 3 - Alesha scores 0 out of 3.”
I'll debate that.
She can dance, as demonstrated during her time on the show and during her successful music career. Maybe not the style of dancing you'd like but she's a dancer.
She is a choreographer, having done so with most of her music videos. She may not choreograph the dances you like but she can choreograph a dance routine.
She is a judge in the eyes of the BBC. Maybe not as qualified as you'd like but she's a judge regardless.
2.5 out of 3 ain't bad.
I'm a singer. I may not be a professional and I may not do it well, but I'm still a singer when I open my mouth and sing along to a song.
Originally Posted by Balthus:
“To be honest, yes.
I should try and steer clear of the Alesha bashing threads...You lot obviously enjoy having a good whinge.”
“To be honest, yes.
I should try and steer clear of the Alesha bashing threads...You lot obviously enjoy having a good whinge.”
At the risk of repeating myself - I refer you to the Alesha grammar bashing thread where I defended your Goddess.
Guess that wouldn't fit your Alesha hating agenda.
Alesha is a beautiful woman and although not my musical taste I can tell she is obviously a talented singer and performer.
However, she does not have the qualities or experience to make a credible judge. It's certainly not her fault that the Beeb decided to get rid of Arlene but surely she should have questioned if it was wise to sit in judgement of others given her lack of dance experience.
Alesha's stint as a judge has not been a success in my opinion, if I were a pro dancer I would find it very difficult to give her thoughts any credance. I agree with the majority that it would be for the best if Alesha didn't return next season.
I am not a Alesha basher, not a big fan either but surely even her most ardent supporters have to acknowledge her limitations as a judge. If, as she proposes, she is bringing her experience as a contestant to the judging then unfortunately I think she has failed in this area also.
Which is sad because she is a crackin' girl.
However, she does not have the qualities or experience to make a credible judge. It's certainly not her fault that the Beeb decided to get rid of Arlene but surely she should have questioned if it was wise to sit in judgement of others given her lack of dance experience.
Alesha's stint as a judge has not been a success in my opinion, if I were a pro dancer I would find it very difficult to give her thoughts any credance. I agree with the majority that it would be for the best if Alesha didn't return next season.
I am not a Alesha basher, not a big fan either but surely even her most ardent supporters have to acknowledge her limitations as a judge. If, as she proposes, she is bringing her experience as a contestant to the judging then unfortunately I think she has failed in this area also.
Which is sad because she is a crackin' girl.
Originally Posted by aleshadixonNET:
“I'll debate that.
She can dance, as demonstrated during her time on the show and during her successful music career. Maybe not the style of dancing you'd like but she's a dancer.
She is a choreographer, having done so with most of her music videos. She may not choreograph the dances you like but she can choreograph a dance routine.
She is a judge in the eyes of the BBC. Maybe not as qualified as you'd like but she's a judge regardless.
2.5 out of 3 ain't bad.
I'm a singer. I may not be a professional and I may not do it well, but I'm still a singer when I open my mouth and sing along to a song.”
“I'll debate that.
She can dance, as demonstrated during her time on the show and during her successful music career. Maybe not the style of dancing you'd like but she's a dancer.
She is a choreographer, having done so with most of her music videos. She may not choreograph the dances you like but she can choreograph a dance routine.
She is a judge in the eyes of the BBC. Maybe not as qualified as you'd like but she's a judge regardless.
2.5 out of 3 ain't bad.
I'm a singer. I may not be a professional and I may not do it well, but I'm still a singer when I open my mouth and sing along to a song.”
She can dance to a certain level, that is undisputed. But not to a professional standard at Ballroom and Latin (which this show mostly consists of).
She may have choreographed dance routines, again not in the correct genre for this programme.
Yes in the BBC's eyes she is a judge but it is the wisdom of that decision that has long been under scrutiny.
I like to cook but I aint no Delia Smith!
EDIT: by the way this is not Alesha bashing. I thought she was a beautiful contestant and a worthy winner.
She's better off out of it! Strictly's had it's day anyway.
I hope the BBC find a bigger and better vehicle for her.
I hope the BBC find a bigger and better vehicle for her.
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