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Mc Cartney doing x factor?... wtf?
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Manc-Red
30-11-2009
Originally Posted by spons:
“The irony of this is that if X-factor had been around when Paul was starting and he had gone on it, Cowell for sure would have told him to forget it and get a proper job!”

Na don't think any creditable star would try enter that show now would they??
xmsradx
30-11-2009
Originally Posted by brunolover:
“I will take it you have heard all his recent albums by that statement and will have to disagree with you. He may have lost in his way in the 80's but since Flaming Pie in 97 he has been back on form with Chaos and Creation, Memory Almost Full and his recent Fireman album.”

Absolutley, those are three GREAT albums.
Gorky
30-11-2009
Originally Posted by brunolover:
“I will take it you have heard all his recent albums by that statement and will have to disagree with you. He may have lost in his way in the 80's but since Flaming Pie in 97 he has been back on form with Chaos and Creation, Memory Almost Full and his recent Fireman album.”

I was probably a little harsh as it's not entirely to my taste. I would say it's been solid but not special. The Fireman album was more interesting but still hard to get excited about. The wider point though, is that in the pantheon of current artists, he's not at the top anymore like he was in the Beatles so it's not exactly a shock to see him on something like the X-Factor these days.
Zuko
30-11-2009
Originally Posted by xmsradx:
“Woahhhh! Who exactly?
I bet Simon Cowell is cracking open the champagne right now if he really has managed to get the most sucessful artist in the world on his show.

Who's better than the man who changed the course of popular music FOREVER? Pray tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfvA6luvdAg”

Or how's about this one. Nursery school time! Tut Tut Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LHeEwiQJsY
Manc-Red
30-11-2009
Originally Posted by Zuko:
“Or how's about this one. Nursery school time! Tut Tut Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LHeEwiQJsY”

Going to see him on the 20th in Dublin....

Please god he's on better form than that lol
zx50
30-11-2009
Even though I'm not a fan of his music, if they manage to get Paul McCartney on the X-Factor......whoo. This certainly will put the show 'on the map'. McCartney is the type of artist who never normally appears on shows like this. It won't be his singing that will be highly unusual [as in getting a legend to sing], but his appearance on it fullstop.
xmsradx
30-11-2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDWc3eHFR6k
lisalou7
30-11-2009
Originally Posted by brunolover:
“I will take it you have heard all his recent albums by that statement and will have to disagree with you. He may have lost in his way in the 80's but since Flaming Pie in 97 he has been back on form with Chaos and Creation, Memory Almost Full and his recent Fireman album.”

Great post. Flaming Pie, Run Devil Run, Chaos, MAF and Electric Arguments all back on form and a great run of albums.
I think the 80's were hard for artists like McCartney, struggling with albums like Press to Play and possibly Pipes of Peace, though Tug of War was wonderful and his work with Costello on Flowers in the Dirt certainly threw up a few gems.
Carmen Queasy
30-11-2009
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Even though I'm not a fan of his music, if they manage to get Paul McCartney on the X-Factor......whoo. This certainly will put the show 'on the map'. McCartney is the type of artist who never normally appears on shows like this. It won't be his singing that will be highly unusual [as in getting a legend to sing], but his appearance on it fullstop.”

It probably won't do this. It'll just make people think that Paul McCartney is a complete tit.

He featured in that Peter Kay mockumentary "Britain's got the Pop Factor...", which is a direct piss take of the X-Factor, and he apparently had not-so-kind words to say about Simon Cowell's music. Going on the show would be a teeny bit hypocritical.

Furthermore, it just shows what he'll do for a bit of money.

Then again, we've had the remaining members of Queen on the show. They are sell outs anyway... I mean, they appeared in a 5ive video after all.

It's crazy what ageing, famous people will do for a fiver, ey.

Beatles fans are probably amongst the most "protective" of the act, and going on something like the X-Factor is a big no no, or so it seems.
mushymanrob
01-12-2009
Originally Posted by Gorky:
“Yeah, I don't really see the problem, this isn't the Beatles we're talking about. McCartney isn't exactly relevant anymore and his recent solo stuff has been quite poor so it's hard to care that much really.”

Originally Posted by zx50:
“Even though I'm not a fan of his music, if they manage to get Paul McCartney on the X-Factor......whoo. This certainly will put the show 'on the map'. McCartney is the type of artist who never normally appears on shows like this. It won't be his singing that will be highly unusual [as in getting a legend to sing], but his appearance on it fullstop.”

the problem is that not only did he (correctly) call cowells music 'a cancer' on musical creativity but by doing the show he will then lend credibility to it!

thats astonishing, musical rubbish cluttering up the charts and airwaves being endorsed by perhaps THE most cretive artist of all time...
Ellipsis
01-12-2009
Originally Posted by xmsradx:
“*sigh*. You ask for a list of good songs from the most sucessful songwriter of all time... what do you expect as an answer?

Daytripper, Hey Jude, I'm Down, Paperback Writer, We Can Work it Out, I Saw Her Standing There, And I Love Her, Can't Buy Me Love, Yesterday, All My Loving, I'll Follow the Sun, Another Girl, Drive My Car, Michelle, I'm Looking Through You, Here There and Everywhere, For No One, Got to Get You Into my Life, Eleanor Rigby, Fixing a Hole, She's Leaving Home, You Never Give me Your Money, Lovely Rita, Hello Goodbye, The Fool on the Hill, Golden Slumbers, Penny Lane, Blackbird, Back in the USSR, I Will, Mother Natures Son, Oh! Darling, Two of Us, Let it Be, Get Back.

All credited to Lennon/McCartney. All written by McCartney ALONE.

And then of course....

Highway, Maybe I'm Amazed, Jet, Here Today, Dear Friend, Backseat of my Car, Ballroom Dancing, Spin it On, So Glad to See You Here, This One, Big Barn Bed, Not Such a Bad Boy, Venus and Mars/Rock Show, Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey, The Songs we were Singing, Junk, Every Night, Oh Woman Oh Why, Another Day, Little Lamb Dragonfly, Winter Rose/Love Awake, With a Little Luck, I'm Carrying, Waterfalls, Tug of War, Take It Away, Beautiful Night, Calico Skies, Jenny Wren, Anyway, Sing the Changes, Mr Bellamy, House of Wax, Coming Up, Daytime Nightime Suffering, Party, At the Mercy, Too Many People, Helen Wheels, Angry, How Kind of You, Good Times Coming, Wanderlust, Dance Tonight, Best Friend, Give Ireland Back to the Irish, Let em In.”

Ahem good answer but Paul didn't write Golden Slumbers he adapted a poem and wrote the music to it.

Golden slumbers kiss your eyes,
Smiles awake you when you rise;
Sleep, pretty wantons, do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby,
Rock them, rock them, lullaby.
Care is heavy, therefore sleep you,
You are care, and care must keep you;
Sleep, pretty wantons, do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby,
Rock them, rock them, lullaby.
mustbesanta
01-12-2009
I have started a campaign to end the X-Factors monopoly of the Christmas No.1 on Facebook...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=182412308882
http://mustbedylan.blogspot.com

Let us get a Christmassy song to number for a change and raise money for Crisis homeless charity!!!
Radical Joe
01-12-2009
Whether or not you're a fan of his music, to dismiss it as 'sh*t' shows a staggering lack of musical appreciation, of the type you might expect from someone weaned on tripe like the X Factor. Which is exactly why McCartney shouldn't have anything to do with it.
mushymanrob
06-12-2009
well it looks like the silly old git is going to do it

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/xfactor/...tor-final.html

no respect....
celesti
06-12-2009
I'm sure he'll be devastated.

He was one of the Beatles, he'd have to go on a minimum of three killing sprees to ruin his reputation. Appearing on a prime-time TV show? Nah.
xmsradx
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by celesti:
“He was one of the Beatles, he'd have to go on a minimum of three killing sprees to ruin his reputation. Appearing on a prime-time TV show? Nah.”

Lol, so true. He's going to be forever thought of as one of the greatest stars of all time - and rightly so.

But X-Factor better give him a bloody good showreel before he goes on that truely shows off his achievements. Put em all in there... it would take up the whole half hour!
celesti
06-12-2009
He'll get Peter Dickson ironically shouting his name in that annoying voice - no higher honour, I'm sure!
Manc-Red
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by xmsradx:
“it would take up the whole half hour!”

Half a day at least lol
CABLEDUDE
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by Ellipsis:
“Ahem good answer but Paul didn't write Golden Slumbers he adapted a poem and wrote the music to it.

Golden slumbers kiss your eyes,
Smiles awake you when you rise;
Sleep, pretty wantons, do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby,
Rock them, rock them, lullaby.
Care is heavy, therefore sleep you,
You are care, and care must keep you;
Sleep, pretty wantons, do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby,
Rock them, rock them, lullaby. ”

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Yeah, but lots of artists do that, and it did lead to the creation of possibly the best musical line of all time; 'and in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make' - brilliance.


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mushymanrob
07-12-2009
Originally Posted by xmsradx:
“Lol, so true. He's going to be forever thought of as one of the greatest stars of all time - and rightly so.

But X-Factor better give him a bloody good showreel before he goes on that truely shows off his achievements. Put em all in there... it would take up the whole half hour!”

missing the point...

he criticised cowells circus as a 'cancer on musical creativity' so he is being hypocritical...plus his appearing on that tawdry show condones it and gives it a respectibility.... which he shouldnt do.

its a vile hyperbolic karaoke circus thats dumbing down music even further.
celesti
07-12-2009
It's not dumbing music down. It's a cover version TV show, at the end of which a couple may have a similar pop career to numerous singers who were around long before the show was invented.
mushymanrob
07-12-2009
Originally Posted by celesti:
“It's not dumbing music down. It's a cover version TV show, at the end of which a couple may have a similar pop career to numerous singers who were around long before the show was invented.”

you dont think that a 'cover version tv show' is dumbing down music?... c'mon, just what are cowells musical qualifications? do you think its ok for the charts to be dominated by this manufactured garbage? or do you think that traditional pop groups/artists, you know, people with some creativity and innovation, should be connecting with the young generation?... do you think the charts should be dominated by ballad singing karaoke acts who are created by cowell, a money man whos only interest is money, or that the pop music charts should be dominated by creative artists?... we didnt get our rich musical heritage through tawdry 'talent' shows like txf.
lisalou7
07-12-2009
Originally Posted by celesti:
“It's not dumbing music down. It's a cover version TV show, at the end of which a couple may have a similar pop career to numerous singers who were around long before the show was invented.”

I think talent shows from the past had a different edge though? I think the way the X Factor is thrust down everyone's throats nowadays is unbelievable. As if that's all we want to read about! I don't believe they are really interested in discovering anyone new or different, just someone who can sing other people's songs, make a quick album and then be quietly dropped in a few years time.
Macca is pretty much the greatest living songwriter, why he wants anything to do with this show baffles me but then he has always done things his own way. Some say he is doing it as a massive favour to Dermot O'Leary as they are friends? I'm pretty sure he doesn't associate with Cowell..
celesti
07-12-2009
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“you dont think that a 'cover version tv show' is dumbing down music?... ”

No. Cover versions have existed for several years, as have singers performing other people's material.

Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“do you think its ok for the charts to be dominated by this manufactured garbage? or do you think that traditional pop groups/artists, you know, people with some creativity and innovation, should be connecting with the young generation?”

The charts mean absolutely nothing; they've always been a popularity/marketing concept rather than a barometer of quality. A discerning young person will seek out the music they want to listen to. Anybody who takes their entire musical lead from the top 10 deserves what they get.

Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“do you think the charts should be dominated by ballad singing karaoke acts who are created by cowell, a money man whos only interest is money, or that the pop music charts should be dominated by creative artists?”

No, I think people should realise the top 10 is irrelevant, and has always been far more loaded with crap than anything. Music does and always has existed outside the pop charts and TV shows and has never been easier to find than it is now.

Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“we didnt get our rich musical heritage through tawdry 'talent' shows like txf.”

The X-Factor is directly responsible for two singles; the charity thing and the inevitable winner's single. After that they're on their own, as we can see by Leona Lewis doing well, and Leon Jackson disappearing.

Talent tends to last, and this isn't a blow to musical heritage so much as hyperbolic overreaction by people who simply don't like the show.

Originally Posted by lisalou7:
“I think the way the X Factor is thrust down everyone's throats nowadays is unbelievable. As if that's all we want to read about!”

It's not that hard to avoid though surely? I couldn't tell you the first thing about Strictly or I'm a Celeb for instance.

Originally Posted by lisalou7:
“I don't believe they are really interested in discovering anyone new or different, just someone who can sing other people's songs, make a quick album and then be quietly dropped in a few years time.”

This accusation can be levelled at near enough every major record label since the advent recorded music; the only difference now is that it's accompanied by TV showing the process.
mushymanrob
07-12-2009
Originally Posted by celesti:
“No. Cover versions have existed for several years, as have singers performing other people's material.”

not to this level nor to the same sickening style...at one time covers were done to give the artist their take on a track, txf crowd all do the same earnest thing...


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“The charts mean absolutely nothing; they've always been a popularity/marketing concept rather than a barometer of quality. A discerning young person will seek out the music they want to listen to. Anybody who takes their entire musical lead from the top 10 deserves what they get.”

true, they are the commercial window on the current music scene, but that doesnt mean it has to be naff or an excuse for insipidness
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