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Mc Cartney doing x factor?... wtf?
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celesti
07-12-2009
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“not to this level nor to the same sickening style...at one time covers were done to give the artist their take on a track, txf crowd all do the same earnest thing...”

Hey, don't make me link to every Westlife and Boyzone video in existence, none of us wants that.

The unstoppable cheese on the show itself tends to go pretty quickly thankfully; either the contestants fade very quickly into obscurity after the initial awful single, or they follow up with something more suited to them and enjoy some success.
mushymanrob
07-12-2009
Originally Posted by celesti:
“Hey, don't make me link to every Westlife and Boyzone video in existence, none of us wants that.

The unstoppable cheese on the show itself tends to go pretty quickly thankfully; either the contestants fade very quickly into obscurity after the initial awful single, or they follow up with something more suited to them and enjoy some success.”

lol... westlife, boyzone are recent/current... im talking 60's - 80's the era of innovation.
Scratchy7929
07-12-2009
Originally Posted by revolver44:
“If you want classics Macca wrote on his own then how about we start with "Hey Jude", "Yesterday" or ""Get Back"?”

Out of those 3 songs only Yesterday I would regard as Classics.Hey Jude is a mediocre, especially when McCartney sings it.Get Back is an uptempo beat rocker that hasn't stood the test of time (thousands of better hard rock tracks, post Beatles days).Yesterday, however, is a track very hard to beat in what it tries to reflect/interprate.

My point is that not everthing that the Beatles have done is top notch.Alot of their earlier stuff has gone way past it's sell buy date.What cannot be questioned is that what an amazing appreciation of what was going on around them musically at the time.They reflected their appreciation of this rapidly changing musical landscape in a way that a mass audience could digest & inspired hundreds of new artists - who would have been unheard of otherwise - to have successful careers (in musical & popularity terms - not always mutual).
Perhaps McCartney sees the X-factor in terms of providing a chance for aspiring artists to get into the spotlight in an increasingly over populated market (there's just too much musical output out there - it is hard for the truely talented to wade through the shit).McCartney must remember how the Beatles had to struggle in their early years to gain their audience (especially the time they spent in obscurity in Germany), however.
This show just kills off the developement period that good music requires to have true identity - unlike this show which tries to strip away any individuality they may have due to the fact they have been taken from obscurity & clones them into copy cat artists.Their music can never be grown with their audience as opposed to this branded, I now better than you, what success have you had before you got onto the show controlled output the show represents.
revolver44
07-12-2009
Originally Posted by celesti:
“The unstoppable cheese on the show itself tends to go pretty quickly thankfully; either the contestants fade very quickly into obscurity after the initial awful single”

That's because ultimately it's not about the music, never has and never will be. The X Factor is merely a popularity contest based more on people's personalities or sob stories than any deep rooted musical ability. It's all about living in the "now" and to hell with the future, the winners are forgotten as soon as the next series begins. I don't even regard it as a music show... it's just reality tv and the Cowell show. It'll run out of steam soon enough.
SamMcK
07-12-2009
Also it pisses me off when they always go on about how relevant a song is, quality of the song is more important than when it was released!
Radical Joe
08-12-2009
Originally Posted by celesti:
“It's not dumbing music down. It's a cover version TV show, at the end of which a couple may have a similar pop career to numerous singers who were around long before the show was invented.”

I think it does. It encourages young people to believe that presentation is more important than musical ability. You only have to read some of the comments on this forum, or the X Factor one, to see how it works. For a lot of folk raised on this show, if a musican dosen't look right, or sings in an idiosyncratic style, they're mocked for it. Also, as it's a 'covers' show, it dosen't encourage people to be creative, just to emulate artists from the past.

In short, it breeds talentless, generic fodder with white teeth. I bet Cowell would've sneered his socks off if a young Kate Bush or David Bowie appeared before him. He also said the Beatles wouldn't have got past him. Ironic really.
Radical Joe
08-12-2009
Originally Posted by Scratchy7929:
“Perhaps McCartney sees the X-factor in terms of providing a chance for aspiring artists to get into the spotlight in an increasingly over populated market (there's just too much musical output out there - it is hard for the truely talented to wade through the shit).McCartney must remember how the Beatles had to struggle in their early years to gain their audience (especially the time they spent in obscurity in Germany), however.”

If he thinks that then he's been smoking too much of the seed. The 'artists' who appear on X factor don't write their own music, compose it, or play any instruments. Only in the sense of being singers could any of them be called artists - and how many that have appeared on the show could reasonably be called talented singers?

As for The Beatles, they wouldn't have got any joy from the X factor either. They wouldn't have had a chance to display their musical creativity, and none of them were particulary good singers. McCartney's only chance on the X factor would've been to drop the band, tan himself up, and learn to do a backflip.
mushymanrob
08-12-2009
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“I think it does. It encourages young people to believe that presentation is more important than musical ability. You only have to read some of the comments on this forum, or the X Factor one, to see how it works. For a lot of folk raised on this show, if a musican dosen't look right, or sings in an idiosyncratic style, they're mocked for it. Also, as it's a 'covers' show, it dosen't encourage people to be creative, just to emulate artists from the past.

In short, it breeds talentless, generic fodder with white teeth. I bet Cowell would've sneered his socks off if a young Kate Bush or David Bowie appeared before him. He also said the Beatles wouldn't have got past him. Ironic really.”

i presume your referance to bush n bowie was because cowell has refered to them both as 'over rated'... i mean... two of our most creative artists ever, being 'dissed' by cowell is sickening.
Radical Joe
08-12-2009
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“i presume your referance to bush n bowie was because cowell has refered to them both as 'over rated'... i mean... two of our most creative artists ever, being 'dissed' by cowell is sickening.”

I didn't even know that! I was thinking more of their singing styles, and Bowie's look. Jeez, what a musical moron Cowell is.
mushymanrob
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“I didn't even know that! I was thinking more of their singing styles, and Bowie's look. Jeez, what a musical moron Cowell is.”

yep.... its idiotic remarks like that that surely must raise eyebrows to any music fan...
SheepdogNo1
09-12-2009
I dont see whats wrong with McCartney doing X factor , his solo work fits the bill , stuff like the Frog Song , Ebony & Ivory are perfect for the turns to have a bash at. McCartney did the 'Geraldine' spoof & so why not have a laugh. Its not like the contestants are world beaters or have the potential to be in the McCartney/Lennon thought process of songwriting.

Its just an 'entertainment' show , thats all about the money , nothing to do with the art form. Imagine if all we could get in music was down to Cowell & co? Look at how boring the charts are now that X factor gonks bottle it up, even the switch on of christmas lights in towns & cities has been bottled up by X factor rejects.

No doubt Lennon would be p***ing himself laughing at the thought of McCartney going on a 'talent' show.

Radical Joe
10-12-2009
Originally Posted by SheepdogNo1:
“I dont see whats wrong with McCartney doing X factor , his solo work fits the bill , stuff like the Frog Song , Ebony & Ivory are perfect for the turns to have a bash at. McCartney did the 'Geraldine' spoof & so why not have a laugh. Its not like the contestants are world beaters or have the potential to be in the McCartney/Lennon thought process of songwriting.

Its just an 'entertainment' show , thats all about the money , nothing to do with the art form. Imagine if all we could get in music was down to Cowell & co? Look at how boring the charts are now that X factor gonks bottle it up, even the switch on of christmas lights in towns & cities has been bottled up by X factor rejects.

No doubt Lennon would be p***ing himself laughing at the thought of McCartney going on a 'talent' show.

”

If Lennon was alive today, that could well form a line in one of his songs:

Imagine if all we could get in music
Was down to Cowell & co?
Creativity down the sh*tter
Now it's all about making dough.

mushymanrob
10-12-2009
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“If Lennon was alive today, that could well form a line in one of his songs:

Imagine if all we could get in music
Was down to Cowell & co?
Creativity down the sh*tter
Now it's all about making dough.

”

PMSL!
STEVE 03
10-12-2009
Originally Posted by SheepdogNo1:
“I dont see whats wrong with McCartney doing X factor , his solo work fits the bill , stuff like the Frog Song , Ebony & Ivory are perfect for the turns to have a bash at. McCartney did the 'Geraldine' spoof & so why not have a laugh. Its not like the contestants are world beaters or have the potential to be in the McCartney/Lennon thought process of songwriting.

Its just an 'entertainment' show , thats all about the money , nothing to do with the art form. Imagine if all we could get in music was down to Cowell & co? Look at how boring the charts are now that X factor gonks bottle it up, even the switch on of christmas lights in towns & cities has been bottled up by X factor rejects.

No doubt Lennon would be p***ing himself laughing at the thought of McCartney going on a 'talent' show.

”

I think perhaps had the X Factor had been made 20 or 30 years ago, there is no way Paul McCartney would have appeared on it. He doesn't have as much to lose now like he did back then.

Even so, surely Paul can see how much of a fix the X Factor is
Gaz@NokiaMusic
10-12-2009
Originally Posted by Biko:
“I started a post about this a minute ago, sorry I didn't see this but... yea I agree with you. How contradictory. Paul McCartney seems to be trying hard to be "down with the kids" so annoying. Simon Cowell has turned the Beatles legacy into a mockery.”

I don't like to be negative but P McC's been doing that just fine on his own of late... but agreed, an absolute travesty!
xmsradx
10-12-2009
People who are critisising his recent appeal............ have you heard his last three albums? They're all brilliant.
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