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Old 16-03-2004, 22:21
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I didn't watch Fame Academy, but with all the fuss I heard about Alistair I expected some fabulous new artist. He's just David Sneddon with a guitar, a weak voice, bland forgetable music, no personality. And he's ugly to boot.

I can't understand why so many people rave about him.
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Old 16-03-2004, 22:25
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Havent got the foggiest !
Agreed hes VERY bland, weak songs, weak videos, weak haircut () Seems he hasnt really used the opportunity aswell as he should.

But if thats his style, then he should stick to it.. I doubt hell be very succesfull though
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Old 16-03-2004, 22:54
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Alistair's new single at 17 in the midweeks.

Album has sold only 30,000 total.

What does that say?
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Old 16-03-2004, 23:42
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It says to me that quite a few people have bought his records, but not enough to get him to the top of the charts.... doesn't tell us if his music is any good though.

I'm not a fan of Mr Griffin at all (find his music incredibly dull to be truthful!) but the charts are nothing but a popularity contest and no indication of quality (IMHO). Plenty of artists and bands have great careers without ever having chart-topping singles.

Back to Alistair.... I guess I'm not one to comment as I'm really not into the kind of music he's doing anyway....*binty stops rambling and shuts up*
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Old 16-03-2004, 23:49
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Originally Posted by steveyboybmth
Alistair's new single at 17 in the midweeks.

Album has sold only 30,000 total.

What does that say?
Bye?

30k, that all? God. It's weird this reality tv lark. I mean he had over a million people vote for him on the night (ok, so maybe % voted dozens of times), yet they totally lose interest when it comes to walking into a record shop.
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Old 16-03-2004, 23:56
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Originally Posted by binty
It says to me that quite a few people have bought his records, but not enough to get him to the top of the charts.... doesn't tell us if his music is any good though.

I'm not a fan of Mr Griffin at all (find his music incredibly dull to be truthful!) but the charts are nothing but a popularity contest and no indication of quality (IMHO). Plenty of artists and bands have great careers without ever having chart-topping singles.

Back to Alistair.... I guess I'm not one to comment as I'm really not into the kind of music he's doing anyway....*binty stops rambling and shuts up*
Yes the singles chart is a popularity contest, and no judgement on talent, however he doesn't have decent album sales to back up a low single position, thats all I'm saying.
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Old 16-03-2004, 23:59
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His album sales are dire considering how popular he was during FA. I've always thought a lot of people voted for him because they thought his mugging for the cameras all the time was ever so amusing. But...that hasn't translated into album or singles sales.

His music is unimaginative, his style is flat, and he lacks charisma. It looks as though his 15 minutes are up.
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Old 17-03-2004, 00:10
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Yes the singles chart is a popularity contest, and no judgement on talent, however he doesn't have decent album sales to back up a low single position, thats all I'm saying
No worries! I see your point, but I guess I just have a big downer on the charts. I'm not disputing their power (within with the pop market anyway) or the fact that he is selling poorly considering how many people voted for him in FA....
I'm not used to pop I suppose.... I'm so used to nothing I like making the charts (album or single) that I kind of forget that the charts exist!
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Old 17-03-2004, 11:07
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i didn't realise anyone actually was raving about him?

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Old 17-03-2004, 12:13
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I feel the same way about Jamie Cullun (sp). He appeared from nowhere, and i find him irritating to watch and listen too. He has a face like a smacked ferret.

I heard his on CDUK at the weekend, and it was dire
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Old 17-03-2004, 13:08
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By the end of this year he and Michelle McManus will be joining all the other reality stars who got and then lost their record deals after a few singles and a low selling album.....
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Old 17-03-2004, 16:11
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Originally Posted by DWT
By the end of this year he and Michelle McManus will be joining all the other reality stars who got and then lost their record deals after a few singles and a low selling album.....
I have to disagree with you there. Alistair Griffin isnt a patch on Michelle (Pardon the pun) She is well into 6 figures with her album Sales. and I have to say it is well deserved. In my opinion she will go on for a lot longer than everyone thinks. I personally cant wait for her next album where she will have more freedom to do her own things.
I do have to agree that Alistair Griffins' 15 minutes are up. I didnt even realise he was that famous after FA2. I never warmed to him and I only live 10 minutes down the road from him.

Goodbye Mr Griffin! I do hope you never show your face in the charts again
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Old 17-03-2004, 16:42
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Will Young is only number 3
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Old 17-03-2004, 16:56
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Originally Posted by Mikey1234
I have to disagree with you there. Alistair Griffin isnt a patch on Michelle (Pardon the pun) She is well into 6 figures with her album Sales. and I have to say it is well deserved. In my opinion she will go on for a lot longer than everyone thinks. I personally cant wait for her next album where she will have more freedom to do her own things.
Not sure where you get the 6 figures for Michelle's album sales from, I would put it closer to 80,000 to last Sunday (which to me is 5 figures). Based on:

Week1: 42k (3)
Week2: 20k (13)
Week3: 11k (21)
Week4: 7k (32)

Total over 4 weeks = 80k.

Please correct me if you think I am wrong and you have some evidence of better sales.
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Old 17-03-2004, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Bro
Will Young is only number 3
But his album's sold sh*tloads and is still selling well.

Who's Alistair Griffin?
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Old 17-03-2004, 18:38
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well i didnt watch fame academy , but do watch a lot of music channels, quite liked bring it on his first single, then heard his new single you and me, so decided to buy the album, and its actually very good, people come on here with their stance on so called chart music, but if they bother to listen to some of it they may be suprised. And i am not some Alistair teenybopper either, i am in my mid 20's and listen to music such as Supertramp,Pink Floyd and ELO and i can appreciate that as much as i appreciate Al, different music , different moods.....
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Old 17-03-2004, 18:43
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Originally Posted by steveyboybmth
Yes the singles chart is a popularity contest, and no judgement on talent, however he doesn't have decent album sales to back up a low single position, thats all I'm saying.
Have you ever heard of the band Easyworld? they are one of my favourite bands at the moment, and everyone who i have played their recent album (Kill the Last Romantic) to has said they are really good. they are one of the best live bands i have ever seen.
They released one of the most beautiful songs i have heard on the radio ever (that one time that i heard it on the radio, at about 2am one sunday morning on virgin radio) in January.

The single (Til the Day) got to number 27 in its first week, dropped to number 62 in its second week, then left the top 200 the week after. The album got to number 77 in its first week, then dropped to number 195, the dropped out of the top 200.

Chart positions have absolutely nothing to do with how good a band/artist is.

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Old 17-03-2004, 19:52
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My last two album purchases were Will Young's 'Friday's Child' and Alistair Griffin's 'Bring it On'. I have to say that I have probably played Alistair's far more than Will's as I only like 4 of the tracks on Will's and 10 tracks on Alistair's - those being his own songs and not the covers. I look forward to a second album of all his own material. By the way - he is a brilliant live performer.
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Old 17-03-2004, 21:25
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It is easy to dismiss Alistair as having low album sales and only 17 in the midweeks but he has one of the busiest music websites and a core of fans who feel he has something special.
May not be your style, may not be as commercial as some [although airplay and promotion are major factors here], but he has a place in the music scene and at least he is not churning out covers!
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Old 17-03-2004, 22:33
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Is anyone from Fame Academy going to get anywhere? Alex Parks has hardly set the charts alight, Lemar is a poor mans Craig David, Ainslie remember him? And we all know what happened to David Sneddon.

People seem to think that FA is superior to Pop Idol because FA students "write their own songs".Say what you like about Will Young he's a great talent and is selling shitloads of albums and Gareth Gates is still selling out arenas. Alistair will soon be joining the other FA students on the scrap heap.
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Old 18-03-2004, 00:42
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Originally Posted by Sven945

Chart positions have absolutely nothing to do with how good a band/artist is.

jack
True, it only reflects how popular they are at the time
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Old 18-03-2004, 00:47
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Originally Posted by northgirl
It is easy to dismiss Alistair as having low album sales and only 17 in the midweeks but he has one of the busiest music websites and a core of fans who feel he has something special.
May not be your style, may not be as commercial as some [although airplay and promotion are major factors here], but he has a place in the music scene and at least he is not churning out covers!
Quite agree northgirl. Alistair has some very devoted fans who feel he has something special. As long as he has those fans he has a place in the music scene.
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Old 18-03-2004, 10:17
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Singles chart as an indication of quality music? Do me a favour!

On the face of it Alistair Griffin may be an unlikely candidate for stardom, he really isn't very 'cool' is he? But as someone who actually likes good music and not the rubbish that mostly fills the charts these days, I think he is definitely one to watch. Oh, and he managed to get a pretty good album review from Betty Clarke in The Guardian, seems she's not alone in recognising that songwriting talent and musical ability count more in the long term than image and hype!

BTW, I haven't yet found anyone who has really listened to his album and not ended up liking most of it.....
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Old 18-03-2004, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Judely
On the face of it Alistair Griffin may be an unlikely candidate for stardom, he really isn't very 'cool' is he? But as someone who actually likes good music and not the rubbish that mostly fills the charts these days, I think he is definitely one to watch. Oh, and he managed to get a pretty good album review from Betty Clarke in The Guardian, seems she's not alone in recognising that songwriting talent and musical ability count more in the long term than image and hype!
The problem is that none of this matters to the record companies (read "accountants") who decide the fate of their artists based solely on how many singles/albums they sell.

Bottom line: if Alistair sells enough albums and singles to keep his company happy, they'll keep him. If not, they won't. I doubt the accountants care anything at all about good reviews or devoted fans unless it translates into satisfactory revenues.
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Old 18-03-2004, 16:45
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Alistair Griffin? Snore.....
He's got the ubiquitous "early 00's" TV-friendly look. The pointy haircut? Check. The t-shirt with a random number on it? Check. He couldn't be any more bland if he tried!

Just my 2p worth.
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