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What happend to my Foxsat tonight ?
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schustdj
28-11-2009
I'm watching strictly in time slip on my new Humax about 10 minutes behind live and suddenly it's skipped to the live broadcast. I was recording it too and only the last 12 minutes has been saved.

I've then turned over to ITV and shortly afterwards it tells me there is a conflict between that and the recording that's about to start of Casualty - but I've got two feeds, so it should be able to cope with that. No other recordings at that time.

Never had problems like that with Sky+
smorgo
28-11-2009
Very similar problems, here.

It didn't record the start of Strictly because it thought Merlin was still on.

Then had problems with an apparent conflict.

I wonder if it's a box problem, or has the BBC screwed up the start/end of programme markers tonight??
MOB
28-11-2009
Don't worry - it's not your box, it's 'our' Beeb.
psweston
28-11-2009
I also had problems recording Strictly - although I was recording via freeview. It recorded first 6 minutes, then stopped.
Jonboy59
28-11-2009
I was watching live (and recording at the same time). At the end of the second dance-off the picture froze for about 5 seconds, and then the humax crashed - it rebooted automatically, but I only have 2 mins worth of recording showing, but it won't play - just gives me the option to delete. I've never had anything like this happen before. Anybody else experience anything similar?
carvell
28-11-2009
Yes.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1171920
tellyman55
29-11-2009
Mine didn't record Strictly at all! Lucky I have iPlayer on Virgin Media.
grahamlthompson
29-11-2009
Originally Posted by Jonboy59:
“I was watching live (and recording at the same time). At the end of the second dance-off the picture froze for about 5 seconds, and then the humax crashed - it rebooted automatically, but I only have 2 mins worth of recording showing, but it won't play - just gives me the option to delete. I've never had anything like this happen before. Anybody else experience anything similar?”

Not the crash or reboot but yes I have a 2 min recording that's not playable and also X factor is only 17mins long
Burford
29-11-2009
I too had same problems with Strictly; and , I don't know if it's a related problem, but I have no HDMI o/p to tv this morning. Works OK on scart RGB connection.
Burford
29-11-2009
Originally Posted by Burford:
“I too had same problems with Strictly; and , I don't know if it's a related problem, but I have no HDMI o/p to tv this morning. Works OK on scart RGB connection.”

UPDATE: I've just switched m/c off/on with rear power switch (putting into standby to re-boot didn't help) and after re-booting it offered a rescan which said 0 channels added/removed/ changed, but now working via HDMI. Spooky.
savvy
29-11-2009
The BBC were having fun with their running status change in the EITp/f table in the SI stream last night.

It definitely didn't change between Merlin/SCD on BBC1, causing a runaway recording, This resulted in a combined Merlin/SCD recording of 126mins from 18:06 - 20:12.

It also looks like it didn't change on BBC HD as SCD didn't start recording on time. This resulted in an 8 min recording of the end SCD/start Jools Holland from 20:18 - 20:26.

X-Factor, ITV not affected, recorded OK, 106 mins from 20:01 - 21.47.

Rgds.


Les.
grahamlthompson
29-11-2009
Originally Posted by savvy:
“The BBC were having fun with their running status change in the EITp/f table in the SI stream last night.

It definitely didn't change between Merlin/SCD on BBC1, causing a runaway recording, This resulted in a combined Merlin/SCD recording of 126mins from 18:06 - 20:12.

It also looks like it didn't change on BBC HD as SCD didn't start recording on time. This resulted in an 8 min recording of the end SCD/start Jools Holland from 20:18 - 20:26.

X-Factor, ITV not affected, recorded OK, 106 mins from 20:01 - 21.47.

Rgds.



Les.”

Les

I got a 2 min broken recording for SCD 20:18-20:20 (not recording merlin before it). And an X Factor recording 20:01-20:18. Both set using series recording. In both cases the schedule has updated to the next event

Not watching the box at the time so I wonder if it did reboot at about 20:18 as others have remarked


Graham
savvy
29-11-2009
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“Les

I got a 2 min broken recording for SCD 20:18-20:20 (not recording merlin before it). And an X Factor recording 20:01-20:18. Both set using series recording. In both cases the schedule has updated to the next event


Graham”

Hi Graham,

Out of interest, were you recording SCD on BBC1 or HD? Either way, it would not have started on time as the running status flag did not change, irrespective if you were recording both programmes either side of the not transmitted change. The timer has an event_id associated with it, and it sits there from T-15, waiting for the running status in the EITp/f to change on the programme with that same event_id - this didn't happen at 18:50.

It looks like they must have changed it at 20:18, as our starts are consistent, but not sure why our ends are not the same Yes, maybe you had a reboot.

ITV was not affected by the Beeb's EITp/f problems last night, other than maybe causing clashes, but you didn't have the runaway Merlin. Did you have any other conflicts around that time?


Rgds.


Les.
carvell
29-11-2009
The X factor only recording until 20:18 is because the box rebooted when the BBC eventually set the start flag for strictly.

I was sitting watching it and the x factor was merrily recording, the BBC then send their signal at 20:18, the box reboots, which stops the X factor recording.
grahamlthompson
29-11-2009
Originally Posted by savvy:
“Hi Graham,

Out of interest, were you recording SCD on BBC1 or HD? Either way, it would not have started on time as the running status flag did not change, irrespective if you were recording both programmes either side of the not transmitted change. The timer has an event_id associated with it, and it sits there from T-15, waiting for the running status in the EITp/f to change on the programme with that same event_id - this didn't happen at 18:50.

It looks like they must have changed it at 20:18, as our starts are consistent, but not sure why our ends are not the same Yes, maybe you had a reboot.

ITV was not affected by the Beeb's EITp/f problems last night, other than maybe causing clashes, but you didn't have the runaway Merlin. Did you have any other conflicts around that time?


Rgds.


Les.”

Last nights recording schedule

SCD BBC HD - Series

ITV1 HD - Star Wars set as series from first part
ITV1 SD Harry Hill - Single Event
ITV 1 SD X factor Series recording

No other recordings set

Earlier Star Wars and Harry Hill recorded OK.

Convinced the termination of the X factor recording at the same time as the failed SCD recording start is just too much of a coincidence to be anything other than the one event effecting the other. A reboot which I would not have seen (watching a DVD at the time) would explain this of course.

Graham
savvy
29-11-2009
Originally Posted by carvell:
“The X factor only recording until 20:18 is because the box rebooted when the BBC eventually set the start flag for strictly.

I was sitting watching it and the x factor was merrily recording, the BBC then send their signal at 20:18, the box reboots, which stops the X factor recording.”

Yes, that makes sense, if you had a reboot.

I didn't - I was watching SCD in chaseplay, from the runaway Merlin/SCD recording. The box was also recording back to back (but separately, not runaway/combined) on ITV, You've Been Framed, TV Burp, X-Factor, I'm a Celebrity, with no interruption. After we finished watching SCD, we then watched the recordings of X-Factor & I'm a Celeb, in chaseplay, catching up with Live by the end, then watched the recording of TV Burp not in chaseplay by then.

No reboot, or any interruption/glitch in the ITV progs.


Rgds.


Les.
savvy
29-11-2009
Did anyone have a recording of Flog It on Ch108 last night?

If so, did it runaway, or not? What happened to Ch108 SCD, if you happened to have both recordings set?

Rgds.


Les.
Mark C
29-11-2009
Originally Posted by savvy:
“The BBC were having fun with their running status change in the EITp/f table in the SI stream last night.

It definitely didn't change between Merlin/SCD on BBC1, causing a runaway recording, This resulted in a combined Merlin/SCD recording of 126mins from 18:06 - 20:12.

It also looks like it didn't change on BBC HD as SCD didn't start recording on time. This resulted in an 8 min recording of the end SCD/start Jools Holland from 20:18 - 20:26.”

That's exactly what I've just discovered for my recording of SCD from BBC HD. I did notice the Humax came out of deep standby at 18:35 (as you'd expect). We went out at 18:45 last night, so I didn't notice it hadn't gone into record at 18:50.

Fortunately I also set my Topfield PVR to record the show on BBC 1. That PVR does not follow any EiT flags, so it recorded the show fine, and therefore I'm not in the dog house with Mrs C this morning !!!
savvy
29-11-2009
Originally Posted by Mark C:
“That's exactly what I've just discovered for my recording of SCD from BBC HD. I did notice the Humax came out of deep standby at 18:35 (as you'd expect). We went out at 18:45 last night, so I didn't notice it hadn't gone into record at 18:50.

Fortunately I also set my Topfield PVR to record the show on BBC 1. That PVR does not follow any EiT flags, so it recorded the show fine, and therefore I'm not in the dog house with Mrs C this morning !!! ”

My 9300T (Using Accurate Recording) recorded Merlin & SCD OK on BBC1, on Freeview via Bluebell Hill TX, so it looks like the problem with the EITp/f was only through the Freesat playout system.

Rgds.

Les.
carvell
29-11-2009
Noone seems to be complaining on the Sky forum either, so they were fine too. Odd, considering they get identical feeds to freesat...

I wonder if anybody tried to record it on a non-Humax PVR.
savvy
29-11-2009
Originally Posted by carvell:
“Noone seems to be complaining on the Sky forum either, so they were fine too. Odd, considering they get identical feeds to freesat...

I wonder if anybody tried to record it on a non-Humax PVR.”

I wondered that, too, and went and had a look in the Sky forums

Then I remembered, unless it has changed (and my Sky knowledge is out of date for obvious reasons ), Sky does not use EITp/f AR, doesn't it just allow padding?

Rgds.

Les.
billranton
30-11-2009
Originally Posted by savvy:
“Did anyone have a recording of Flog It on Ch108 last night?

If so, did it runaway, or not? What happened to Ch108 SCD, if you happened to have both recordings set?”

Mine was set to record SCD, i noticed it didn't come on so we watched the rest. The entire time the info bar showed 'Flog it', and the box rebooted at the end of the dance-off.
savvy
30-11-2009
Originally Posted by billranton:
“Mine was set to record SCD, i noticed it didn't come on so we watched the rest. The entire time the info bar showed 'Flog it', and the box rebooted at the end of the dance-off.”

That confirms what I wanted to know.

Many thanks for posting.

Rgds.

Les.
sedum55
30-11-2009
Originally Posted by carvell:
“Noone seems to be complaining on the Sky forum either, so they were fine too. Odd, considering they get identical feeds to freesat...

I wonder if anybody tried to record it on a non-Humax PVR.”

My HDR is a Humax, and I recorded SCD (BBC HD) without problems in 'non freesat' mode. I started the recording manually as you have to, and watched the recording some 45 minutes later. There were no interruptions or glitches that I can remember throughout the show.

It would seem that whatever caused everyone else's problems were to do with the EPG and/or auto start/stop signals sent by the BBC. I have the latest firmware installed.
Sandy.1
01-12-2009
Originally Posted by savvy:
“That confirms what I wanted to know.

Many thanks for posting.

Rgds.

Les.”

Do you think that Madame Sandy is going to believe that it wasn't really my fault that I wasn't able to play catch up with SCD after the end of the rugby. She'll probably think this whole topic is just a conspiracy to get me off the hook.

Cheers Sandy
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