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I think Chris's performance of the Charleston was brilliant and he should be particularly praised for keeping in such great time with Ola. Many celebs have struggled with that, especially in the side by side moves.
To play Devil's advocate, I wonder what those who advocate Karen as a judge would have made of her giving Chris a 10? |
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I only saw the end of Chris & Ola but my OH said it was the best dance of the night.
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She said had he danced later in the show he would have picked up a few tens for the charleston. Also she criticised Brian's erm "driving" in the Viennese Waltz, saying he really should have been able to avoid having two collisions with other couples.
She ended by saying that she was still tipping Ricky to win but was about to go and give Chris a couple of tips of things she wants him to improve... Incidentally, during the interview they played clips of the charlestons, and it seemed to me that Ali and Brian's one was somewhat lacking in rhythm. I know it was a semi-pastiche of the ventriloquist routine from Chicago, but it just seemed too sloppy to me. Yes Ali can do the splits (that's what ballet class as a child can do for you) but Chris and Ola's routine was much tighter rhythmically. In my opinion that's quite important! As for your observations on rhythm, I totally disagree. |
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I agree that Chris and Ola would have got a higher score had they danced last. And by the same token I think Laila and Anton would have got a lower score had they danced first. I'm not sure Chris and Ola would have got tens but maybe nines across the board.
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She said both as far as I can remember - at the start of the interview she said she thought Chris and Ola would have got some tens if they had danced later on in the show. Towards the end of the interview when they mentioned Chris, she said he should have got tens.
(Remember of course this was on Breakfast, with Bill Turnbull, who mentioned that before the series started he had predicted Chris would get to the last four, so Karen may well have been saying nice things about Chris because he is Breakfast's representative in this years series. Mind you she also said she had expected Joe C to be very good, so there you go!) |
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Floorcraft is your ability to move around the floor whilst you're dancing to show off your dance in the best light. Dancers with good floorcraft can avoid collisions, by showing awareness of what's going on around them and suddenly changing the choreography to move out of a collision. Bad floorcraft is when you don't show that awareness or flexibility and you then end up boxed in, hidden or you knock into people.
Sometimes you can't avoid collisions or a couple will just cut right across you. Some couples are also deliberately boxed in as a naughty competitive strategy. The top dancers can get out of it though and they can come up with some pretty funny ways to get out of the situation, which also charms the audience and judges. Exhibit A - Franco Formica! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhW8tTjae0k I hope they ended up winning Thanks for posting it, I never realised it could be quite like that in competitions ![]()
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Floorcraft is your ability to move around the floor whilst you're dancing to show off your dance in the best light. Dancers with good floorcraft can avoid collisions, by showing awareness of what's going on around them and suddenly changing the choreography to move out of a collision. Bad floorcraft is when you don't show that awareness or flexibility and you then end up boxed in, hidden or you knock into people.
Sometimes you can't avoid collisions or a couple will just cut right across you. Some couples are also deliberately boxed in as a naughty competitive strategy. The top dancers can get out of it though and they can come up with some pretty funny ways to get out of the situation, which also charms the audience and judges. Exhibit A - Franco Formica! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhW8tTjae0k ![]() ![]()
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That is brilliant
I hope they ended up winning Thanks for posting it, I never realised it could be quite like that in competitions ![]() ![]() |
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So, Karen would've given Chris a 10 for his Charleston -- Well, there goes her credibility as a judge! At least Alesha gives 10s to good dancers.
Karen as a judge on Strictly? No thank you!
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She said both as far as I can remember - at the start of the interview she said she thought Chris and Ola would have got some tens if they had danced later on in the show. Towards the end of the interview when they mentioned Chris, she said he should have got tens.
(Remember of course this was on Breakfast, with Bill Turnbull, who mentioned that before the series started he had predicted Chris would get to the last four, so Karen may well have been saying nice things about Chris because he is Breakfast's representative in this years series. Mind you she also said she had expected Joe C to be very good, so there you go!) |
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Totally agree that had Chris danced last he would have scored the highest Charleston looking at the video of the VW I still think the two best VW were Ricky and Ali though would have marked Ricky top
As for the VW - I though Laila and Anton were top of the class. |
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So, Karen would've given Chris a 10 for his Charleston -- Well, there goes her credibility as a judge! At least Alesha gives 10s to good dancers.
Karen as a judge on Strictly? No thank you! ![]() |
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She said had he danced later in the show he would have picked up a few tens for the charleston. Also she criticised Brian's erm "driving" in the Viennese Waltz, saying he really should have been able to avoid having two collisions with other couples.
She ended by saying that she was still tipping Ricky to win but was about to go and give Chris a couple of tips of things she wants him to improve... ![]() (Someone said Karen said "should" later. What we really need is a recording so we can check for ourselves.) Quote:
Incidentally, during the interview they played clips of the charlestons, and it seemed to me that Ali and Brian's one was somewhat lacking in rhythm. I know it was a semi-pastiche of the ventriloquist routine from Chicago, but it just seemed too sloppy to me. Yes Ali can do the splits (that's what ballet class as a child can do for you) but Chris and Ola's routine was much tighter rhythmically. In my opinion that's quite important!
Ballet class as a child does not mean you can do splits as an adult.Interesting, though, that the first post in a thread billed as about Karen and Chris spends most of it's time poor mouthing Ali and Brian's dances.
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Karen's one of the top ballroom judges in the world and has an incredibly high technical knowledge of each dance. You may not always personally agree with her and she may not be an expert in Charleston, but I don't see how anyone could ever question her credibility as a judge.
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To play Devil's advocate, I wonder what those who advocate Karen as a judge would have made of her giving Chris a 10?
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I enjoyed ALL the Charlestons .
I though Anton was the best pro on Saturday; he was brilliant . I didn't think Ali was worth a 10 for the VW by a long way and 36 would have been fair for their Charleston, the over the shoulder lift at the end was not great . . Having said that I though Chris was equally as good and he should have had 36 at least . |
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The top dancers can get out of it though and they can come up with some pretty funny ways to get out of the situation, which also charms the audience and judges. Exhibit A - Franco Formica! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhW8tTjae0k For the bow at the end Sergey walked over to shake Franco's hand. Melia also applauded The Great Escape ![]() Can any German speakers tell us what the commentator said?
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Ballet class as a child does not mean you can do splits as an adult.
*faints* *wakes up* Sorry, where were we? Oh yes, Karen. I'm struggling to understand how the producers haven't offered her a judging slot yet as she's clearly made her mark on the public this series. Perhaps they have and she's turned it down? |
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I don't know about that
But back to the topic - we have got to contgact the Beeb - the system is skewedd against the public favourite Maybe we could point out that if Cola aren't competiting in the final then the audience figures would drop significantly |
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How did "would have" turn into "should have"?
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(Someone said Karen said "should" later. What we really need is a recording so we can check for ourselves.)
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Ballet class as a child does not mean you can do splits as an adult.
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Interesting, though, that the first post in a thread billed as about Karen and Chris spends most of it's time poor mouthing Ali and Brian's dances.
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It didn't. Both verbs were used.
... I tried to be as precise as I could in my recollection (Breakfast isn't on iPlayer). I'm not sure forensic linguistic analysis is really called for though? It was just an interesting snippet from the media coverage, that's all. Quote:
Indeed. It can though, of course, as I said.
No, if someone can do splits as an adult it is not because of ballet training as a child. Ballet class as a child does not mean you can do splits as an adult; it doesn't sometimes mean it and sometimes not.Quote:
I don't think it's very interesting myself, but then again I don't think your description of my post is accurate, so there you go.
Over half of the post was about Ali and Brian's dances, and the comments about them were negative. Quote:
They showed clips of two Charlestons and there was a clear difference in the synchronisation and coordination with the music. You can argue about what scores should have been, but it's probably not worth getting too worked up about. Meanwhile, Laila and Anton were not mentioned at all, which was a bit of a shame in my view, as I thought they were rather good on Saturday.
Before, "it seemed to me that Ali and Brian's one was somewhat lacking in rhythm"; now it's "a clear difference". So again, I think we need to see a clip of the Breakfast segment so we can judge for ourselves. Different people see such things differently, just as they do when watching SCD.
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Oh yes, Karen. I'm struggling to understand how the producers haven't offered her a judging slot yet as she's clearly made her mark on the public this series. Perhaps they have and she's turned it down?
So it depends how Karen's business rides out the recession, and whether the BBC have left any offer on the table or not. |
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I wouldn't have complained if Chris had got a couple of tens.
Let's face it, lesser routines have been awarded a perfect score in the past. |
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So, Karen would've given Chris a 10 for his Charleston -- Well, there goes her credibility as a judge! At least Alesha gives 10s to good dancers.
Karen as a judge on Strictly? No thank you! ![]() ![]() ![]() Karen's credibility is based on recognised qualifications to judge dance internationally - prior to which she was a world champion in dance. Now how does Alesha measure up to that> |
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You should have titled your thread differently. That opening post looks more like a lets slag off Ali and Brian than a lets praise Chris.
I was all ready to post that i agreed that Chris probably did deserve higher scores for his Charleston (although i wouldn't go as far as 10s) but i don't like this new trend of supporting your favourites by slagging off the competition. I actually thought that both charleston's were great but that and although Chris' was more entertaining, Ali was better technically and therefore deserved more marks. |
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