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Never thought I would disagree with Karen but I don't agree that Cola deserved 10s. Yes, it was very entertaining but I found it a bit untidy and not sure how true to a Charleston it was.
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Karen's recognised qualifications won't mean a thing if she starts talking out of her arse. The judges clearly didn't think Chris deserved 10s -- so she's on her own there, as far as the "expert" opinion is concerned.
And I'm not going to have another Alesha debate with you. I'm bored of it -- so, give it a rest. |
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The problem starts before that. Brian is moving around the outside lane at full speed and finds someone (Ricky) lurching outwards in front of him. He has to cross the centre to avoid running into them or going off stage. Learner drivers in outside fast lanes. Its then billiards as the diagonal is being crossed by others too. Can't see how Brian avoids the diagonal or crosses it any slower to allow for the slow crossing traffic.
There would be no advantage in ending up where he did - the audience don't have a mark or a vote. You want to end up either infront of the judges or a camera thats on. Anton gets the camera (but only a long shot) and Vincent the judges. Given they all end up facing different ways and fairly well spaced they may even have been told roughly where to go. It's not picking on him - hes utterly fabulous - but he was wrong on Saturday night during the VW. I think he was trying to show off a bit and went around too quickly and narrowly, but then failed to follow the line of the dance and got in the way of other couples. |
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So, Karen would've given Chris a 10 for his Charleston -- Well, there goes her credibility as a judge! At least Alesha gives 10s to good dancers.
Karen as a judge on Strictly? No thank you! ![]() ![]()
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The problem starts before that. Brian is moving around the outside lane at full speed and finds someone (Ricky) lurching outwards in front of him. He has to cross the centre to avoid running into them or going off stage. Learner drivers in outside fast lanes. Its then billiards as the diagonal is being crossed by others too. Can't see how Brian avoids the diagonal or crosses it any slower to allow for the slow crossing traffic.
There would be no advantage in ending up where he did - the audience don't have a mark or a vote. You want to end up either infront of the judges or a camera thats on. Anton gets the camera (but only a long shot) and Vincent the judges. Given they all end up facing different ways and fairly well spaced they may even have been told roughly where to go. On the first point, he had another choice than to go crashing across the floor. Firstly, Ricky wasn't going all that slowly. Secondly, although Ricky was poorly positioned in cutting a corner by that much, he cut the corner so much that Brian could easily have adjusted his speed fractionally and had plenty of room to go around him. By the way, I am saying this having Ricky as my least favourite dancer, so there's no bias here. EDIT: Just saw Erinfan's post, she put it much better than me. |
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Even though I couldn't stand his gurning, his performance would certainly have been a 10. The dance side of it however, was scored correctly methinks.
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I'm sorry what a load of rubbish - she gave a ten for something that most certainly didn't deserve it
![]() ![]() Alesha made the mistake of overmarking Chris with a 9. When she saw that Ali's dance was better, she had no choice but to give her a 10. |
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She said had he danced later in the show he would have picked up a few tens for the charleston. Also she criticised Brian's erm "driving" in the Viennese Waltz, saying he really should have been able to avoid having two collisions with other couples.
She ended by saying that she was still tipping Ricky to win but was about to go and give Chris a couple of tips of things she wants him to improve... Incidentally, during the interview they played clips of the charlestons, and it seemed to me that Ali and Brian's one was somewhat lacking in rhythm. I know it was a semi-pastiche of the ventriloquist routine from Chicago, but it just seemed too sloppy to me. Yes Ali can do the splits (that's what ballet class as a child can do for you) but Chris and Ola's routine was much tighter rhythmically. In my opinion that's quite important! |
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They did. They were Amateur World Champs for years, no one came close to them. Franco is...erm...unique! You don't often see floorcraft quite as extreme as that, but quite often couples will swap partners briefly if they get in each others way in latin - that always gets a massive ovation from the audience!
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Can anyone tell me what was so great about his Charleston to deserve a 10, because I really am totally baffled.
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They did. They were Amateur World Champs for years, no one came close to them. Franco is...erm...unique! You don't often see floorcraft quite as extreme as that, but quite often couples will swap partners briefly if they get in each others way in latin - that always gets a massive ovation from the audience!
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![]() ![]() Karen's credibility is based on recognised qualifications to judge dance internationally - prior to which she was a world champion in dance. Now how does Alesha measure up to that> However, she was a regular finalist and she is a respected international judge.
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That was excellent! That nifty move was fantastic but I was also mesmerised by his legs which looked like they were elastic and 'bendy'.
![]() ![]() He is very 'bendy' and he has dancing eyebrows! I laugh at him every time I watch him - but in a good way, as he's just very charismatic. He's storming up the pro ranks with a different partner nowadays, but he and his old partner were brilliant amateurs. World champs, untouchable and so good they could show off his personality at every opportunity...and his floorcraft!
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You NEVER cross the floor in a Vienesse Waltz. You stay in a continuous circle with the only break being going into the centre for the fleckerl. Crossing the whole way across is just asking for collisions and it's bad dancing etiquette. It's a small floor, so difficult to do a group VW, however Brian should have been aware of this and perhaps slowed down. Especially when he saw a cluster ahead. If he couldn't slow or overtake to avoid bumping into a couple, he should have steered Ali into the middle with a fleckerl.
It's not picking on him - hes utterly fabulous - but he was wrong on Saturday night during the VW. I think he was trying to show off a bit and went around too quickly and narrowly, but then failed to follow the line of the dance and got in the way of other couples. Totally agree. Brian also caused problems for Anton, who did some, as would be expected, clever dodging! ![]() By the way, it's wrong to cut across the floor in any ballroom dance! |
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Never thought I would disagree with Karen but I don't agree that Cola deserved 10s. Yes, it was very entertaining but I found it a bit untidy and not sure how true to a Charleston it was.
Would have made a great showdance! It's quite baffling all the snide commets and barbs against different couples, it's sometimes hard to believe we are all just discussing a saturday night tv show! I love Ali and Brian but i would be happy to see any of the other couples win, that's the nature of the show, our favourites can't all win
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It was a funny clip and he is a super dancer! You do realise it was a 'set-up' don't you? A very a good one too!
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He's storming up the pro ranks with a different partner nowadays, but he and his old partner were brilliant amateurs. World champs, untouchable and so good they could show off his personality at every opportunity...and his floorcraft! ![]() |
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This is confusing. Franco won Blackpool Amateur Latin 2002-2004 partnering Oksana Nikiforova. Since October 2007 he has partnered Oxana Lebedew, the pair currently World Number 3. Hard to see them overtaking Yulia and Joanna though?
They seem to be suddenly surging forward and they have moved ahead of Sergey and Melia in recent months. Franco and Oxana also beat Riccardo and Yulia in two dances at the recent World Champs and nearly took second place overall. I can't see them leaping ahead of Riccardo in many comps, but they certainly have a lot of support and momentum right now. |
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I sort of agree with Karen on Chris's scores. Face it: he was never going to receive 10s for the first ever score for that dance, and neither, I suspect, would anyone else in a similar situation (including Mark and Karen in the Argentine tango had they been the first to dance). Had he danced later, might he have received 10s? Possibly, but it's difficult to say. I will say that when I watched the dances again, I thought Chris and Ola's dance was far better than Ali and Brian's - far more entertaining, and far more content too.
On penalising Brian for his steering during the VW, I'm sure that would have been the case in a "real" competition. The problem is that on SCD you can't really mark down the celebrity who is being marked because of a mistake or mistakes by her professional partner. |
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So what excuse do they have for giving Ali a 10 for the VW - when she and Brian managed to crash into two couples
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I sort of agree with Karen on Chris's scores. Face it: he was never going to receive 10s for the first ever score for that dance, and neither, I suspect, would anyone else in a similar situation (including Mark and Karen in the Argentine tango had they been the first to dance). Had he danced later, might he have received 10s? Possibly, but it's difficult to say. I will say that when I watched the dances again, I thought Chris and Ola's dance was far better than Ali and Brian's - far more entertaining, and far more content too.
On penalising Brian for his steering during the VW, I'm sure that would have been the case in a "real" competition. The problem is that on SCD you can't really mark down the celebrity who is being marked because of a mistake or mistakes by her professional partner. |
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It was better than the dance they gave 9. Simple as that. |
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Maybe we could point out that if Cola aren't competiting in the final then the audience figures would drop significantly People wouldn't just stop watching because Chris was illiminated! |
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In your opinion maybe.
Alesha made the mistake of overmarking Chris with a 9. When she saw that Ali's dance was better, she had no choice but to give her a 10. Quite honestly I am sick of all the Chris (and the other not so technically good dancers) bashing comments - as a complete non dancer I prefer to be entertained and would (if given the chance to be a judge) mark a good proportion on "entertainment value" BBC used to have a purely "dancing" show - it got scrapped for lack of viewers ![]()
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Can anyone tell me what was so great about his Charleston to deserve a 10, because I really am totally baffled.
Perhaps because no-one can think of a valid reason why it deserved a 10? |
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However, she was a regular finalist and she is a respected international judge.
