Last year was such a rush. I;d rather they spent more time on the two finalists.So I hope they keep to the two finalists and we get more indepth coverage on them.
I hate 3 dancers in the final as its so rushed
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But we have had 'in depth' coverage on the couples for 16 weeks and a 3 couple final is so much more unpredictable than 2 couple, they might aswell not dance at all just say right here are your 2 options just vote and we will get it over and done with.
I'm of completely the opposite mind. We've already had enough in depth coverage on all the dancers. Anyway, a two couple final doesn't tend to be like that. The couples are sent on to dance again and again. There's the pointless "judges' choice" which tends to result in both dancers getting the same mark (although should Chris make the final that might change) and it almost ends as a last man standing stamina contest rather than a quality dancing one.
I don't think a three couple final is rushed. All couples perform twice individually and there tends to be a group performance (iirc). Then there's a vote and the couple in third performs a showdance. I don't see why it's rushed? Yes, there isn't the same talky talk bit that there's been on other shows - it's more focused on performance - but that's no bad thing imo. There's enough talky talk on previous shows to fill a party conference.
I don't think a three couple final is rushed. All couples perform twice individually and there tends to be a group performance (iirc). Then there's a vote and the couple in third performs a showdance. I don't see why it's rushed? Yes, there isn't the same talky talk bit that there's been on other shows - it's more focused on performance - but that's no bad thing imo. There's enough talky talk on previous shows to fill a party conference.
I think a three way final is much better too. The year of the Matt/Flavia and Alesha/Matthew final....each of them had 5 dances to do which is pretty tough going considering its at the end of a long 14 weeks or whatever stretch. They must have been both mentally and physically drained afterwards all 4 of them. Far better to have a three couple final doing 3 dances each......although i do love my 5 Matt and Flavia ones for looking back on. 
A 2-way final is less balanced. The public favourite will ALWAYS win - and while I'm happy with the public favourite winning, it still means the show loses balance. The judges may as well not score at all, as it matters not a jot. It's also more predictable - it's almost certain that the public favourite will be obvious at the semi-final stage (as that semi will only have three couples).
Down with the 2-way final, I say!
Down with the 2-way final, I say!
I think it depends who the final two or three are.
When it's very close (like Colin & Darren), a 2-handed final could be as exciting as a 3-way final.
However, if one person has run away with it (Natasha, Alesha), it doesn't make for exciting TV, so having the third person just spices it up a little.
It depends who we end up with, really.
When it's very close (like Colin & Darren), a 2-handed final could be as exciting as a 3-way final.
However, if one person has run away with it (Natasha, Alesha), it doesn't make for exciting TV, so having the third person just spices it up a little.
It depends who we end up with, really.
Originally Posted by loulabelle44:
“I think it depends who the final two or three are.
When it's very close (like Colin & Darren), a 2-handed final could be as exciting as a 3-way final.
However, if one person has run away with it (Natasha, Alesha), it doesn't make for exciting TV, so having the third person just spices it up a little).
It depends who we end up with, really.”
“I think it depends who the final two or three are.
When it's very close (like Colin & Darren), a 2-handed final could be as exciting as a 3-way final.
However, if one person has run away with it (Natasha, Alesha), it doesn't make for exciting TV, so having the third person just spices it up a little).
It depends who we end up with, really.”
That's an individual way of looking at things.
When you talk about close - I presume you mean votes wise?
I should have said that the Colin/Darren final (which was actually a three way final and I loved it despite not getting the result I wanted) was anything but close. Colin was way ahead on ability and Darren way ahead on popularity.
The Alesha/Matt final on the other hand, was much closer imo. The scores on the night were virtually identical and they had both beaten the other in terms of votes for the two previous weeks. Add to that the fact that Matt was the pretty young man and he could dance competently and I wouldn't have said the night was set up for Alesha. I'd still have made her the favourite but I wouldn't have said she ran away with it.
Generally if you have a two person final you know who's going to win because one person goes through on public vote and the other one is the judges favourite so its less of a suprise I think. Or you get a situation where one of the public favourites goes because the judges perfer the other less publically popular dancer.
I think if they have to have a two couple final then both couples should be chosen by the public with no dance off.
I think if they have to have a two couple final then both couples should be chosen by the public with no dance off.
Originally Posted by Dilly 1:
“I think a three way final is much better too. The year of the Matt/Flavia and Alesha/Matthew final....each of them had 5 dances to do which is pretty tough going considering its at the end of a long 14 weeks or whatever stretch. They must have been both mentally and physically drained afterwards all 4 of them. Far better to have a three couple final doing 3 dances each......although i do love my 5 Matt and Flavia ones for looking back on.”
“I think a three way final is much better too. The year of the Matt/Flavia and Alesha/Matthew final....each of them had 5 dances to do which is pretty tough going considering its at the end of a long 14 weeks or whatever stretch. They must have been both mentally and physically drained afterwards all 4 of them. Far better to have a three couple final doing 3 dances each......although i do love my 5 Matt and Flavia ones for looking back on.
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Agreed - 5 dances (and let's face it, that is an artificial number to cater for the fact that one couple is missing) is far too many to expect any couple to perform all in one go, and to the best of their ability.
Originally Posted by gorlagon:
“A 2-way final is less balanced. The public favourite will ALWAYS win - and while I'm happy with the public favourite winning, it still means the show loses balance. The judges may as well not score at all, as it matters not a jot. It's also more predictable - it's almost certain that the public favourite will be obvious at the semi-final stage (as that semi will only have three couples).
Down with the 2-way final, I say!”
“A 2-way final is less balanced. The public favourite will ALWAYS win - and while I'm happy with the public favourite winning, it still means the show loses balance. The judges may as well not score at all, as it matters not a jot. It's also more predictable - it's almost certain that the public favourite will be obvious at the semi-final stage (as that semi will only have three couples).
Down with the 2-way final, I say!”
In a 2 couple final, it is possible for the public favourite to not even be in it, so the public favourite will not always win. I prefer 3 couples.
Originally Posted by sergeik:
“I think if they have to have a two couple final then both couples should be chosen by the public with no dance off.”
“I think if they have to have a two couple final then both couples should be chosen by the public with no dance off.”
So agree!
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“In a 2 couple final, it is possible for the public favourite to not even be in it, so the public favourite will not always win. I prefer 3 couples.”
“In a 2 couple final, it is possible for the public favourite to not even be in it, so the public favourite will not always win. I prefer 3 couples.”
I meant the public favourite of the two IN the final. In a 2-person final, there is no skill element involved to win the competition (of the two people who are left). The judges really might as well not mark.
I also agree that a 2-person final runs the risk of the public favourite (of the last three) going out at the semi-final stage - another, but separate, argument against it.
The show balances skill (as marked by the judges) and popularity (as voted for by the public). To my mind, ANY organisation of the show that fails to offer an even balance between the two is a bad one. The 2-person final fails to offer a balance on every level.
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“That's an individual way of looking at things.
When you talk about close - I presume you mean votes wise?
I should have said that the Colin/Darren final (which was actually a three way final and I loved it despite not getting the result I wanted) was anything but close. Colin was way ahead on ability and Darren way ahead on popularity.
The Alesha/Matt final on the other hand, was much closer imo. The scores on the night were virtually identical and they had both beaten the other in terms of votes for the two previous weeks. Add to that the fact that Matt was the pretty young man and he could dance competently and I wouldn't have said the night was set up for Alesha. I'd still have made her the favourite but I wouldn't have said she ran away with it.”
“That's an individual way of looking at things.
When you talk about close - I presume you mean votes wise?
I should have said that the Colin/Darren final (which was actually a three way final and I loved it despite not getting the result I wanted) was anything but close. Colin was way ahead on ability and Darren way ahead on popularity.
The Alesha/Matt final on the other hand, was much closer imo. The scores on the night were virtually identical and they had both beaten the other in terms of votes for the two previous weeks. Add to that the fact that Matt was the pretty young man and he could dance competently and I wouldn't have said the night was set up for Alesha. I'd still have made her the favourite but I wouldn't have said she ran away with it.”
Totally agree. As my favourite had gone a long time since, I really enjoyed that final and actually voted for Matt who I thought danced better on the night. I think he probably picked up quite a few of the neutral voters but, Alesha had a solid fanbase, so it would have been a surprise if she had lost.
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“That's an individual way of looking at things.
When you talk about close - I presume you mean votes wise?
I should have said that the Colin/Darren final (which was actually a three way final and I loved it despite not getting the result I wanted) was anything but close. Colin was way ahead on ability and Darren way ahead on popularity.
The Alesha/Matt final on the other hand, was much closer imo. The scores on the night were virtually identical and they had both beaten the other in terms of votes for the two previous weeks. Add to that the fact that Matt was the pretty young man and he could dance competently and I wouldn't have said the night was set up for Alesha. I'd still have made her the favourite but I wouldn't have said she ran away with it.”
“That's an individual way of looking at things.
When you talk about close - I presume you mean votes wise?
I should have said that the Colin/Darren final (which was actually a three way final and I loved it despite not getting the result I wanted) was anything but close. Colin was way ahead on ability and Darren way ahead on popularity.
The Alesha/Matt final on the other hand, was much closer imo. The scores on the night were virtually identical and they had both beaten the other in terms of votes for the two previous weeks. Add to that the fact that Matt was the pretty young man and he could dance competently and I wouldn't have said the night was set up for Alesha. I'd still have made her the favourite but I wouldn't have said she ran away with it.”
That sounds backwards to me. I think Darren and Colin were much closer votes wise. Colin could have won if it weren't for 'Muppetgate' (yes, I know it was a three way - but it could have easily have been a fine 2-way - there was no way Zoe would win).
Alesha was miles ahead of Matt in terms of public support. Princess Alesha could do no wrong (oh, how times have changed).
Originally Posted by loulabelle44:
“That sounds backwards to me. I think Darren and Colin were much closer votes wise. Colin could have won if it weren't for 'Muppetgate' (yes, I know it was a three way - but it could have easily have been a fine 2-way - there was no way Zoe would win).
Alesha was miles ahead of Matt in terms of public support. Princess Alesha could do no wrong (oh, how times have changed).”
“That sounds backwards to me. I think Darren and Colin were much closer votes wise. Colin could have won if it weren't for 'Muppetgate' (yes, I know it was a three way - but it could have easily have been a fine 2-way - there was no way Zoe would win).
Alesha was miles ahead of Matt in terms of public support. Princess Alesha could do no wrong (oh, how times have changed).”
I thought leaked figures showed that you could have added together Zoe's and Colin's scores from that series and Goughie's tally would still have left them standing?
Didn't Darren boast in his book about how he was absolutely smashing Colin in the vote every single week?
IMO the two person finales have been far less predictable than the three person finals, although that's partly due to happenstance. It was obvious Jill (Denise was very unpopular, Julian was Chris Parker redux), Darren (you could hardly find anybody outside of the Internet supporting Colin or Zoe) and Tom (we knew the voting results from the round before) would win .
With Kerplunk it was uncertain, what with it being the first series, that the public would back off the comedy candidate at the last minute (it was for Sports Relief after all), with Mark we knew that Matt had beaten him in the public vote 2 weeks previously, and with Alesha nothing was certain as she'd been crushed by Matt in a vote (that was possibly partly to do with sympathy) quite recently.
It's possible for the public favourite not to be in a 3 person final. Quite a few of us think that happened last year.
IMO the two person finales have been far less predictable than the three person finals, although that's partly due to happenstance. It was obvious Jill (Denise was very unpopular, Julian was Chris Parker redux), Darren (you could hardly find anybody outside of the Internet supporting Colin or Zoe) and Tom (we knew the voting results from the round before) would win .
With Kerplunk it was uncertain, what with it being the first series, that the public would back off the comedy candidate at the last minute (it was for Sports Relief after all), with Mark we knew that Matt had beaten him in the public vote 2 weeks previously, and with Alesha nothing was certain as she'd been crushed by Matt in a vote (that was possibly partly to do with sympathy) quite recently.
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“In a 2 couple final, it is possible for the public favourite to not even be in it, so the public favourite will not always win. I prefer 3 couples.”
“In a 2 couple final, it is possible for the public favourite to not even be in it, so the public favourite will not always win. I prefer 3 couples.”
It's possible for the public favourite not to be in a 3 person final. Quite a few of us think that happened last year.
Originally Posted by gorlagon:
“I thought leaked figures showed that you could have added together Zoe's and Colin's scores from that series and Goughie's tally would still have left them standing?”
“I thought leaked figures showed that you could have added together Zoe's and Colin's scores from that series and Goughie's tally would still have left them standing?”
Don't ever recall seeing that...
Originally Posted by arddunol:
“Sorry OP , I much prefer a 3 way final .”
“Sorry OP , I much prefer a 3 way final .”
Me too.
Originally Posted by loulabelle44:
“Don't ever recall seeing that...”
“Don't ever recall seeing that...”
It was in Darren Gough's autobiography. He was way ahead even before the show dances.
Edit: Not sure about Zoe's and Colin's added together, but certainly Colin's.
Originally Posted by gorlagon:
“I meant the public favourite of the two IN the final. In a 2-person final, there is no skill element involved to win the competition (of the two people who are left). The judges really might as well not mark.
I also agree that a 2-person final runs the risk of the public favourite (of the last three) going out at the semi-final stage - another, but separate, argument against it.
The show balances skill (as marked by the judges) and popularity (as voted for by the public). To my mind, ANY organisation of the show that fails to offer an even balance between the two is a bad one. The 2-person final fails to offer a balance on every level.”
“I meant the public favourite of the two IN the final. In a 2-person final, there is no skill element involved to win the competition (of the two people who are left). The judges really might as well not mark.
I also agree that a 2-person final runs the risk of the public favourite (of the last three) going out at the semi-final stage - another, but separate, argument against it.
The show balances skill (as marked by the judges) and popularity (as voted for by the public). To my mind, ANY organisation of the show that fails to offer an even balance between the two is a bad one. The 2-person final fails to offer a balance on every level.”
The public favourite always wins a three person final as well. Whoever tops the public vote cannot be bottom in the combined scores, and so will be in the final two where the highest public vote wins.
Originally Posted by loulabelle44:
“That sounds backwards to me. I think Darren and Colin were much closer votes wise. Colin could have won if it weren't for 'Muppetgate' (yes, I know it was a three way - but it could have easily have been a fine 2-way - there was no way Zoe would win).”
“That sounds backwards to me. I think Darren and Colin were much closer votes wise. Colin could have won if it weren't for 'Muppetgate' (yes, I know it was a three way - but it could have easily have been a fine 2-way - there was no way Zoe would win).”
The fact that Zoe went out first showed that Darren was always ahead, as the only possible way for that to happen was for the public vote order to be Darren, Colin, Zoe. 'Muppetgate' didn't lose Colin the final - it was already lost. It just gave people a scapegoat to blame.
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“That's an individual way of looking at things.
When you talk about close - I presume you mean votes wise?
I should have said that the Colin/Darren final (which was actually a three way final and I loved it despite not getting the result I wanted) was anything but close. Colin was way ahead on ability and Darren way ahead on popularity.
The Alesha/Matt final on the other hand, was much closer imo. The scores on the night were virtually identical and they had both beaten the other in terms of votes for the two previous weeks. Add to that the fact that Matt was the pretty young man and he could dance competently and I wouldn't have said the night was set up for Alesha. I'd still have made her the favourite but I wouldn't have said she ran away with it.”
“That's an individual way of looking at things.
When you talk about close - I presume you mean votes wise?
I should have said that the Colin/Darren final (which was actually a three way final and I loved it despite not getting the result I wanted) was anything but close. Colin was way ahead on ability and Darren way ahead on popularity.
The Alesha/Matt final on the other hand, was much closer imo. The scores on the night were virtually identical and they had both beaten the other in terms of votes for the two previous weeks. Add to that the fact that Matt was the pretty young man and he could dance competently and I wouldn't have said the night was set up for Alesha. I'd still have made her the favourite but I wouldn't have said she ran away with it.”
I think if it hadn't been for the meltdown and the ire of Gethin's fans then it could have been a close run thing however Alesha was always going to win the public vote unless she fell over which was unlikely. For me it wasn't about that though - it was probably the most evenly matched in terms of ablity on the night and that made it a great watch however hubbie states that having a Gethin or a Kelly in there too would have made it interesting to see who got evicted first. I don't think it would have lost anything having a third great performer in there too whilst how much of a yawnfest would a Rachel/Lisa final last year have been.
Originally Posted by katmobile:
“I think if it hadn't been for the meltdown and the ire of Gethin's fans then it could have been a close run thing however Alesha was always going to win the public vote unless she fell over which was unlikely. For me it wasn't about that though - it was probably the most evenly matched in terms of ablity on the night and that made it a great watch however hubbie states that having a Gethin or a Kelly in there too would have made it interesting to see who got evicted first. I don't think it would have lost anything having a third great performer in there too whilst how much of a yawnfest would a Rachel/Lisa final last year have been.”
“I think if it hadn't been for the meltdown and the ire of Gethin's fans then it could have been a close run thing however Alesha was always going to win the public vote unless she fell over which was unlikely. For me it wasn't about that though - it was probably the most evenly matched in terms of ablity on the night and that made it a great watch however hubbie states that having a Gethin or a Kelly in there too would have made it interesting to see who got evicted first. I don't think it would have lost anything having a third great performer in there too whilst how much of a yawnfest would a Rachel/Lisa final last year have been.”
Yep, I agree. I don't think there was too much doubt about an Alesha win (she probably did inherit the bulk of the Gethin supporters who still voted) on the night but I'd still say there was more uncertainty about it than the Darren/Colin/Zoe final which was entirely predictable. Colin and Erin's muppets simply added insult to injury but wouldn't have mattered a damn in the general scheme of things. Colin could have done the most spectacular dance ever seen and he would still have lost. And Zoe was always going to come third.
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