As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?
Should SCD adopt Xfactor's format?
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Originally Posted by Vincy82:
“As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?”
“As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?”
It wouldnt as Lennie Goodman would be able to manipulate things
Oh I thought you were going to suggest cancelling the dance-off at the quarter final stage just as X-Factor no longer has a sing-off and I was going to wholeheartedly agree with you!
Need to get my head around your actual proposal. I'll get back to you
Had a think - and I like your idea, but with ordinary members of the public. But then, didn't Arlene and Bruno take part in a show which did just that?
Last edited by -Sid- : 30-11-2009 at 23:08
Need to get my head around your actual proposal. I'll get back to you
Had a think - and I like your idea, but with ordinary members of the public. But then, didn't Arlene and Bruno take part in a show which did just that?
Last edited by -Sid- : 30-11-2009 at 23:08
Please no. Strictly's desperation to match The X Factor in certain quarters has weakened it this year - it doesn't need to be weakened further!
Wouldn't like the mentor idea (I dislike it in X Factor) but I would like them to stop the dance-off in the quarter finals and leave it up to the public vote.
Alesha could have the musicians, Bruno can have the athletes, Craig can have the actors, and Len can have... er... everyone else.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Please no. Strictly's desperation to match The X Factor in certain quarters has weakened it this year - it doesn't need to be weakened further!”
“Please no. Strictly's desperation to match The X Factor in certain quarters has weakened it this year - it doesn't need to be weakened further!”
Seconded.
Originally Posted by Vincy82:
“As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?”
“As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?”
Nah, daft idea, why steal ideas from other shows?
Originally Posted by Mr Giggles:
“Nah, daft idea, why steal ideas from other shows?”
“Nah, daft idea, why steal ideas from other shows?”
Precisely. SCD stole the dance-off idea from Dancing on Ice's skate-off. It works with DOI because they've had it since the first series - and because there's an odd number of judges on DOI so there's no tie in the judges' vote for the skate-off. It doesn't work with SCD because it's perceived as being about the judges trying to get more control.
The ways in which they should copy X Factor is:
» If there's a tie in the judges' votes for the dance-off, go back to the public vote as the decider instead of giving Len what effectively amounts to two votes.
» If they absolutely must keep the dance-off, then they should scrap it either from the quarter-finals onwards or, even better, from the time the contestants start doing two dances every week.
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“Alesha could have the musicians, Bruno can have the athletes, Craig can have the actors, and Len can have... er... everyone else.”
“Alesha could have the musicians, Bruno can have the athletes, Craig can have the actors, and Len can have... er... everyone else.”
One could have the under 25 male celebs another the over 25s
One could have the under 25 female celebs, another the over 25s
It would create competition for us, the viewers, not just amongst the celeb dancers but also amongst the jooges, as Tess would say.
Originally Posted by Vincy82:
“As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?”
“As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?”
It wouldn't work but there is a problem that X factor unlike SCD (unless Simon orders the opposite) can get everyone onto a level playing field if it wants to with similar potential to wow the viewers.. Its true Simon can get rid of weak people by giving them songs that show it , but he can also give the Joes songs and backing that give them equal wow factor to the non singing Jedwards.
SCD is unbalanced at its core. On SCD some music doesn't fit. Some music is dull. Some music is crowd pleasing (Chris's last week) Some will put off voters. The pros don't seem to have the final choices of music or guidance if they get it wrong. Some people get Spanish costumes whilst others are dressed for a night out for a spanish dance. There's a fundamental divide between those trying for difficult and serious dances when others are playing for laughs or votes. X factor can narrow that by making the non singers sing and the straighter perfomers look glamorous. SCD in its present form may not be able to get the equivalent of a shy Alex or a Leona through to the end and it may be heading for its first Jedward type winner.
No idea how you fix it though. Someone in charge of presentation to talk ideas through with the pros might work but there's no time or money.Some epeople wouldn't like it if more numbers were like the Charlestons, but, until they are, votes will go to the people dragging other people around the floor and not those doing something neat with the right steps. You can't demand certain steps when there's no penalty for not doing them and you can't have penalties when low marks are rewarded by votes.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Precisely. SCD stole the dance-off idea from Dancing on Ice's skate-off. It works with DOI because they've had it since the first series - and because there's an odd number of judges on DOI so there's no tie in the judges' vote for the skate-off. It doesn't work with SCD because it's perceived as being about the judges trying to get more control.
The ways in which they should copy X Factor is:
» If there's a tie in the judges' votes for the dance-off, go back to the public vote as the decider instead of giving Len what effectively amounts to two votes.
» If they absolutely must keep the dance-off, then they should scrap it either from the quarter-finals onwards or, even better, from the time the contestants start doing two dances every week.”
“Precisely. SCD stole the dance-off idea from Dancing on Ice's skate-off. It works with DOI because they've had it since the first series - and because there's an odd number of judges on DOI so there's no tie in the judges' vote for the skate-off. It doesn't work with SCD because it's perceived as being about the judges trying to get more control.
The ways in which they should copy X Factor is:
» If there's a tie in the judges' votes for the dance-off, go back to the public vote as the decider instead of giving Len what effectively amounts to two votes.
» If they absolutely must keep the dance-off, then they should scrap it either from the quarter-finals onwards or, even better, from the time the contestants start doing two dances every week.”
There probably isn't a tie in the judges votes unless Simon wants the public result anyway - he has more power than Len .
I can't see any argument for stopping the dance off so that the most popular one left can get to the final however poor they are. Its illogical as more popular people could go every week before that and the weak dancer surviving to the final could have less votes than all of them.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Precisely. SCD stole the dance-off idea from Dancing on Ice's skate-off. It works with DOI because they've had it since the first series - and because there's an odd number of judges on DOI so there's no tie in the judges' vote for the skate-off. It doesn't work with SCD because it's perceived as being about the judges trying to get more control.
The ways in which they should copy X Factor is:
» If there's a tie in the judges' votes for the dance-off, go back to the public vote as the decider instead of giving Len what effectively amounts to two votes.
» If they absolutely must keep the dance-off, then they should scrap it either from the quarter-finals onwards or, even better, from the time the contestants start doing two dances every week.”
“Precisely. SCD stole the dance-off idea from Dancing on Ice's skate-off. It works with DOI because they've had it since the first series - and because there's an odd number of judges on DOI so there's no tie in the judges' vote for the skate-off. It doesn't work with SCD because it's perceived as being about the judges trying to get more control.
The ways in which they should copy X Factor is:
» If there's a tie in the judges' votes for the dance-off, go back to the public vote as the decider instead of giving Len what effectively amounts to two votes.
» If they absolutely must keep the dance-off, then they should scrap it either from the quarter-finals onwards or, even better, from the time the contestants start doing two dances every week.”
DOI has it because they spotted the problem in advance. SCD only learnt the lesson after series 1 and 4 threw up results where there were weak one sided finals and the competition didn't make the last two. Add some doubts about series 3 and the pro-male voting that was more apparent in series 4 and they had to react or have single sex finals with one sided outcomes. Their problem on both shows is that the public voting has since gone further away from following the dancing or skating results and the last series of DOI and SCD both had the old problem back -Tom wins from 4th place in the ability stakes after being beaten for 6 weeks in a row whilst the female competition gets no votes - DOI has neither of its two top females in the last two and a totally onesided final with a weak male and a very strong one.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Precisely. SCD stole the dance-off idea from Dancing on Ice's skate-off. It works with DOI because they've had it since the first series - and because there's an odd number of judges on DOI so there's no tie in the judges' vote for the skate-off. It doesn't work with SCD because it's perceived as being about the judges trying to get more control.
The ways in which they should copy X Factor is:
» If there's a tie in the judges' votes for the dance-off, go back to the public vote as the decider instead of giving Len what effectively amounts to two votes.
» If they absolutely must keep the dance-off, then they should scrap it either from the quarter-finals onwards or, even better, from the time the contestants start doing two dances every week.”
“Precisely. SCD stole the dance-off idea from Dancing on Ice's skate-off. It works with DOI because they've had it since the first series - and because there's an odd number of judges on DOI so there's no tie in the judges' vote for the skate-off. It doesn't work with SCD because it's perceived as being about the judges trying to get more control.
The ways in which they should copy X Factor is:
» If there's a tie in the judges' votes for the dance-off, go back to the public vote as the decider instead of giving Len what effectively amounts to two votes.
» If they absolutely must keep the dance-off, then they should scrap it either from the quarter-finals onwards or, even better, from the time the contestants start doing two dances every week.”
I have always thought this too ... especially with the first one
please don't give the BBC anymore idea's on how to mess and ruin strictly 
Still can't beleive (well actually i can!) that yet another series is coming to a close and it looks like we are going to end up with a two person final and there doesnt appear to be any thought from the BBC what this was a possibility when the show started and how to compensate for this and allow us to have a 3 person final which i enjoy so much more.
I personally dont like the mentoring on x-facotr and wish it would go back to the pop idol type format.
Still can't beleive (well actually i can!) that yet another series is coming to a close and it looks like we are going to end up with a two person final and there doesnt appear to be any thought from the BBC what this was a possibility when the show started and how to compensate for this and allow us to have a 3 person final which i enjoy so much more.
I personally dont like the mentoring on x-facotr and wish it would go back to the pop idol type format.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Precisely. SCD stole the dance-off idea from Dancing on Ice's skate-off. It works with DOI because they've had it since the first series - and because there's an odd number of judges on DOI so there's no tie in the judges' vote for the skate-off. It doesn't work with SCD because it's perceived as being about the judges trying to get more control.
The ways in which they should copy X Factor is:
» If there's a tie in the judges' votes for the dance-off, go back to the public vote as the decider instead of giving Len what effectively amounts to two votes.
» If they absolutely must keep the dance-off, then they should scrap it either from the quarter-finals onwards or, even better, from the time the contestants start doing two dances every week.”
“Precisely. SCD stole the dance-off idea from Dancing on Ice's skate-off. It works with DOI because they've had it since the first series - and because there's an odd number of judges on DOI so there's no tie in the judges' vote for the skate-off. It doesn't work with SCD because it's perceived as being about the judges trying to get more control.
The ways in which they should copy X Factor is:
» If there's a tie in the judges' votes for the dance-off, go back to the public vote as the decider instead of giving Len what effectively amounts to two votes.
» If they absolutely must keep the dance-off, then they should scrap it either from the quarter-finals onwards or, even better, from the time the contestants start doing two dances every week.”
My first response was NOOOOOOOOO. I hate X Factor and don't want to see any of it brought over...but having said that I do like the idea of a tie going to the public vote. It wont please the dance purists but I would like it.
For the final of DWTS, each judge visited one of the couples in training to offer advice, which I thought was a good idea.
However no matter how many couples ww have in the final we have too many judges, so maybe we could send in a former/eliminated pro instead (am thinking Erin would be good for Ballroom advice, and Matthew for Latin; although to be completely impartial maybe send in Karen Hardy or Camilla or someone like that)
However no matter how many couples ww have in the final we have too many judges, so maybe we could send in a former/eliminated pro instead (am thinking Erin would be good for Ballroom advice, and Matthew for Latin; although to be completely impartial maybe send in Karen Hardy or Camilla or someone like that)
Originally Posted by Vincy82:
“As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?”
“As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?”
No they shouldn't there is no comparison between the formats.
XF contestants take part as individuals or as individual groups. The silly idea of mentors just results in bad feeling with the mentors/judges who behave like silly children a lot of the time and their judgement is impaired by the confusion between being an impartial judge and a partial mentor.
Celebrity dancers appear as one half of a pair and each celebrity is paired with a mentor all of their own - a dance partner.
Let the judges do their job - judging.
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“No they shouldn't there is no comparison between the formats.
XF contestants take part as individuals or as individual groups. The silly idea of mentors just results in bad feeling with the mentors/judges who behave like silly children a lot of the time and their judgement is impaired by the confusion between being an impartial judge and a partial mentor.
Celebrity dancers appear as one half of a pair and each celebrity is paired with a mentor all of their own - a dance partner.
Let the judges do their job - judging.”
“No they shouldn't there is no comparison between the formats.
XF contestants take part as individuals or as individual groups. The silly idea of mentors just results in bad feeling with the mentors/judges who behave like silly children a lot of the time and their judgement is impaired by the confusion between being an impartial judge and a partial mentor.
Celebrity dancers appear as one half of a pair and each celebrity is paired with a mentor all of their own - a dance partner.
Let the judges do their job - judging.”
Exactly. On XF the panel simply make comments. They may or may not have a bearing on the viewers' vote but they don't have a direct influence on the outcome in the same way the judges' marks do on Strictly. There's enough talk about bias as it is. Karen Barber gets enough stick for being on the panel on DOI when she works with the contestants all week and at least she works with all of them.
It's really a non-starter.
Originally Posted by Vincy82:
“As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?”
“As in each judge be give their own celeb to mentor? How would it work though?”
Erm, no.
Don't understand the ratings of X-Factor. The same old over-hyped nonsense with people who had little or no real talents (exception to Leona Lewis).
Imagine the rows between the judge/mentors and the professionals though. That could be fun.
The only thing I definately wouldn't want in SCD from X Factor would be Dermot O'Bleedin'Leary. Rather stick wi' t'oud fella for another 5 years.
The only thing I definately wouldn't want in SCD from X Factor would be Dermot O'Bleedin'Leary. Rather stick wi' t'oud fella for another 5 years.
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