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Old 04-12-2009, 11:23
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...could be cheated out of it by the judges.



"STRICTLY Come Dancing hopeful Chris Hollins has won every public vote but could still be booted off this weekend even if he tops the fans’ leaderboard again, the Daily Star can reveal..........

Show insiders revealed Chris continues to smash the votes - following our exclusive report on his popularity earlier in the series. Last weekend he was almost 40% above his nearest rival....





http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/vie...ting-loophole/
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:31
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If this is true, he should just be put through no matter what!
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:33
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Nothings different from the last three series - the "loophole" is the dance off - without that the public favourite would always go through even if in the bottom two.

It happened last year and possibly the year before. There isn't some new loophole opened up.

And him being in the dance off doesn't mean he's going home definitely. He might pull out a blinder.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:49
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It seems the daily star reads these forums
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:50
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must be where they get their stories from - the thread for lazy jounos!
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:08
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must be where they get their stories from - the thread for lazy jounos!
Yep true, but it's good that someone is highlighting it.
If other papers pick up on it too, then there's a chance we could get rid of this 'loophole'

It's a nonsense that the public favourite can be thrown off the show by the judges, often in favour of the least popular.

It probably happened 2 years ago with Gethin. Last year with Austin and but for the complaints it would have happened with Tom too.

It's a crazy system and one of the reasons people are switching off and watching XF instead.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:15
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It's a crazy system and one of the reasons people are switching off and watching XF instead.
I would be very surprised if the majority of viewers had even thought it through that far. I doubt most people watching are as obsessed with analysing every aspect of the show as much as FMs on here.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:21
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...could be cheated out of it by the judges.



"STRICTLY Come Dancing hopeful Chris Hollins has won every public vote but could still be booted off this weekend even if he tops the fans’ leaderboard again, the Daily Star can reveal..........

Show insiders revealed Chris continues to smash the votes - following our exclusive report on his popularity earlier in the series. Last weekend he was almost 40% above his nearest rival....





http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/vie...ting-loophole/
The two highlighted sections tell me everything I need to know about this story.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:25
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I would be very surprised if the majority of viewers had even thought it through that far. I doubt most people watching are as obsessed with analysing every aspect of the show as much as FMs on here.

I agree they might not be aware of all the ins and outs, but when the judges vote off the publics favourites every year, it's hardly surprising that people switch off.

Look at last year.
John Sergeant - Public favourite at the time. Driven out by the judges.

Austin - Public favourite at the time. Voted off by the judges.

Tom - Public favourite at the time. The judges wanted to vote him off but didn't get their way.


You can't ask the viewers to vote for their favourites and then continuely vote off their favourites and expect people to keep watching.

It's crazy.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:26
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Yep true, but it's good that someone is highlighting it.
If other papers pick up on it too, then there's a chance we could get rid of this 'loophole'

It's a nonsense that the public favourite can be thrown off the show by the judges, often in favour of the least popular.

It probably happened 2 years ago with Gethin. Last year with Austin and but for the complaints it would have happened with Tom too.

It's a crazy system and one of the reasons people are switching off and watching XF instead.

True!

QUOTE I would be very surprised if the majority of viewers had even thought it through that far. I doubt most people watching are as obsessed with analysing every aspect of the show as much as FMs on here. QUOTE Katrinap

True!

And the phrase "our exclusive report on his popularity earlier in the series" doesn't give the impression at all that the Star writer is in Team Cola, does it!
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:27
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The two highlighted sections tell me everything I need to know about this story.
The same paper which correctly printed the XF voting figures last year.
They have a very good record.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:29
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All most 40% .....no wonder the judges/producers are desperate to save their top 2.


The two highlighted sections tell me everything I need to know about this story.
Well, to be fair they managed to report who came out on top of the votes on last years Xfactor accurately every single time.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:34
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Considering the position that Chris and Ola have been on the leaderboard for a lot of this series and never been within sniffing distance of the dance off you would have to be silly or Len Goodman not to realise that Chris is getting the popular vote. So I think the Daily Stair have it right.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:41
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I'm completely convinced that Chris is topping the public vote, the Daily Star is only saying what most of us already believe - but it'll be the placing of the leaderboard true to form and the fact that there will be a dance off that could see him out, not any new loophole or judges manipulations.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:47
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Considering the position that Chris and Ola have been on the leaderboard for a lot of this series and never been within sniffing distance of the dance off you would have to be silly or Len Goodman not to realise that Chris is getting the popular vote. So I think the Daily Stair have it right.
I think they probably do have it correct (and there's a sentence I never thought I'd type about the Daily Star ) - however, Chris has far more chance of getting through if he ends up at the bottom of the board. Last year, Austin had to top the public vote and Tom, who was one place above him, has to come bottom of the vote for Austin to get out of the dance off, but Tom was extremely popular as well, so it wasn't going to happen - soon as the final leader board was up my epic SCD sulk had started

This year all three of the others have been in the dance off, so there more of chance that, if he's placed 4th, number 3 will be bottom on the public vote, thus allowing Chris through. (I think )
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:52
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I'm completely convinced that Chris is topping the public vote, the Daily Star is only saying what most of us already believe - but it'll be the placing of the leaderboard true to form and the fact that there will be a dance off that could see him out, not any new loophole or judges manipulations.
Which is how it should be otherwise the show would be a pure popularity contest and the dancing become totally unimportant. Any breakfast presenter could win it and nobody else need apply just as an Osmond only has to turn up on DWTS to get a top 3 place.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:54
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I think they probably do have it correct (and there's a sentence I never thought I'd type about the Daily Star ) - however, Chris has far more chance of getting through if he ends up at the bottom of the board. Last year, Austin had to top the public vote and Tom, who was one place above him, has to come bottom of the vote for Austin to get out of the dance off, but Tom was extremely popular as well, so it wasn't going to happen - soon as the final leader board was up my epic SCD sulk had started

This year all three of the others have been in the dance off, so there more of chance that, if he's placed 4th, number 3 will be bottom on the public vote, thus allowing Chris through. (I think )
The leaderboard when Austin went out was 1. Rachel, 2. Tom, 3. Lisa, 4. Austin.

The judges leaderboard where the most popular person with the public can go out is :

1. 3rd most favourite with the public
2. 2nd most favourite with the public
3. Least favourite with the public
4. Most favourite with the public

Therefore to finish bottom with the least popular person in 3rd is the WORST thing that could happen to Chris.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:59
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Which is how it should be otherwise the show would be a pure popularity contest and the dancing become totally unimportant. Any breakfast presenter could win it and nobody else need apply just as an Osmond only has to turn up on DWTS to get a top 3 place.
Yep - like the BBC Spokesman said, you have to get through on the combination of judges scores and public vote. Although I would like a return to the days of the couple in the bottom two more popular with the public going through! That would settle all the arguments.

Will take you to task re Donny *swoon* though ... loved his foxtrot and Argentine Tango! I mean, he can dance! I think he's the perfect combo actually of personality and dancing. He and Bruno were hysterical!
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Old 04-12-2009, 13:02
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Yep true, but it's good that someone is highlighting it.
If other papers pick up on it too, then there's a chance we could get rid of this 'loophole'

It is good the papers are highlighting it but it could also have the effect of people saying they won't bother to vote for Chris if it isn't going to say him, not that would be a di-sas-ter.
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Old 04-12-2009, 13:02
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Which is how it should be otherwise the show would be a pure popularity contest and the dancing become totally unimportant. Any breakfast presenter could win it and nobody else need apply just as an Osmond only has to turn up on DWTS to get a top 3 place.

This sort of attitude is why I no longer look forward to show I once loved.

If the BBC want a pure dance competition then they should do away with the public vote.
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Old 04-12-2009, 13:03
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Yep - like the BBC Spokesman said, you have to get through on the combination of judges scores and public vote. Although I would like a return to the days of the couple in the bottom two more popular with the public going through! That would settle all the arguments.

Will take you to task re Donny *swoon* though ... loved his foxtrot and Argentine Tango! I mean, he can dance! I think he's the perfect combo actually of personality and dancing. He and Bruno were hysterical!
Agree Donny could have won on popular vote it's true but he did it on ability too which made it a great final IMO
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Old 04-12-2009, 13:09
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The leaderboard when Austin went out was 1. Rachel, 2. Tom, 3. Lisa, 4. Austin.

The judges leaderboard where the most popular person with the public can go out is :

1. 3rd most favourite with the public
2. 2nd most favourite with the public
3. Least favourite with the public
4. Most favourite with the public

Therefore to finish bottom with the least popular person in 3rd is the WORST thing that could happen to Chris.
Sorry, vodka has affected my memory cells You're right, I knew it was mathematically impossible for Austin to get out given Tom's popularity, but did reverse his position with Lisa.
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Old 04-12-2009, 13:18
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Yep - like the BBC Spokesman said, you have to get through on the combination of judges scores and public vote. Although I would like a return to the days of the couple in the bottom two more popular with the public going through! That would settle all the arguments.
No it wouldn't. It would just make the followers of dance less happy and the fans of the personalities more happy and change the nature of the arguement.
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Old 04-12-2009, 13:24
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Yep - like the BBC Spokesman said, you have to get through on the combination of judges scores and public vote. Although I would like a return to the days of the couple in the bottom two more popular with the public going through! That would settle all the arguments.

Will take you to task re Donny *swoon* though ... loved his foxtrot and Argentine Tango! I mean, he can dance! I think he's the perfect combo actually of personality and dancing. He and Bruno were hysterical!
But that never happened - if it were the case Denise never would have made the final of series 2, and Zoe never would have made the final of series 3, and Emma would have been out long before 3rd place.

I've always said the best system of public and judge vote is the American one, because it's proportional. Cuts out all this silly ranknigs bollocks, where getting more votes can actually hurt you, at a stroke.
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Old 04-12-2009, 13:30
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No it wouldn't. It would just make the followers of dance less happy and the fans of the personalities more happy and change the nature of the arguement.
But I think the majority of the viewers and voters aren't either dance purists nor just go for personality, past finalists and winners have generally been a combination (like Donny - see, perfect example!). Under the old rules less people were unhappy. And more people watched and voted. And generally the better dancers made it through to the end. I have no problem with my fave going out in a public vote but it sticks in the gullet when you know your fave is the majority fave and they go out in a dance off, when they'd have gone through under the old rules.
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