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Chris and Ola still topping the vote, but ...
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River Man
04-12-2009
...could be cheated out of it by the judges.



"STRICTLY Come Dancing hopeful Chris Hollins has won every public vote but could still be booted off this weekend even if he tops the fans’ leaderboard again, the Daily Star can reveal..........

Show insiders revealed Chris continues to smash the votes - following our exclusive report on his popularity earlier in the series. Last weekend he was almost 40% above his nearest rival....





http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/vie...ting-loophole/
Strictly_Irish
04-12-2009
If this is true, he should just be put through no matter what!
Scattyjan
04-12-2009
Nothings different from the last three series - the "loophole" is the dance off - without that the public favourite would always go through even if in the bottom two.

It happened last year and possibly the year before. There isn't some new loophole opened up.

And him being in the dance off doesn't mean he's going home definitely. He might pull out a blinder.
cassieconvinced
04-12-2009
It seems the daily star reads these forums
Scattyjan
04-12-2009
must be where they get their stories from - the thread for lazy jounos!
River Man
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by Scattyjan:
“must be where they get their stories from - the thread for lazy jounos! ”

Yep true, but it's good that someone is highlighting it.
If other papers pick up on it too, then there's a chance we could get rid of this 'loophole'

It's a nonsense that the public favourite can be thrown off the show by the judges, often in favour of the least popular.

It probably happened 2 years ago with Gethin. Last year with Austin and but for the complaints it would have happened with Tom too.

It's a crazy system and one of the reasons people are switching off and watching XF instead.
katrinap
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by River Man:
“It's a crazy system and one of the reasons people are switching off and watching XF instead.”

I would be very surprised if the majority of viewers had even thought it through that far. I doubt most people watching are as obsessed with analysing every aspect of the show as much as FMs on here.
Lurksalot
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by River Man:
“...could be cheated out of it by the judges.



"STRICTLY Come Dancing hopeful Chris Hollins has won every public vote but could still be booted off this weekend even if he tops the fans’ leaderboard again, the Daily Star can reveal..........

Show insiders revealed Chris continues to smash the votes - following our exclusive report on his popularity earlier in the series. Last weekend he was almost 40% above his nearest rival....





http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/vie...ting-loophole/”

The two highlighted sections tell me everything I need to know about this story.
River Man
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by katrinap:
“I would be very surprised if the majority of viewers had even thought it through that far. I doubt most people watching are as obsessed with analysing every aspect of the show as much as FMs on here.”


I agree they might not be aware of all the ins and outs, but when the judges vote off the publics favourites every year, it's hardly surprising that people switch off.

Look at last year.
John Sergeant - Public favourite at the time. Driven out by the judges.

Austin - Public favourite at the time. Voted off by the judges.

Tom - Public favourite at the time. The judges wanted to vote him off but didn't get their way.


You can't ask the viewers to vote for their favourites and then continuely vote off their favourites and expect people to keep watching.

It's crazy.
Scattyjan
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by River Man:
“Yep true, but it's good that someone is highlighting it.
If other papers pick up on it too, then there's a chance we could get rid of this 'loophole'

It's a nonsense that the public favourite can be thrown off the show by the judges, often in favour of the least popular.

It probably happened 2 years ago with Gethin. Last year with Austin and but for the complaints it would have happened with Tom too.

It's a crazy system and one of the reasons people are switching off and watching XF instead.”


True!

QUOTE I would be very surprised if the majority of viewers had even thought it through that far. I doubt most people watching are as obsessed with analysing every aspect of the show as much as FMs on here. QUOTE Katrinap

True!

And the phrase "our exclusive report on his popularity earlier in the series" doesn't give the impression at all that the Star writer is in Team Cola, does it!
River Man
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by Lurksalot:
“The two highlighted sections tell me everything I need to know about this story. ”

The same paper which correctly printed the XF voting figures last year.
They have a very good record.
*Liya*
04-12-2009
All most 40% .....no wonder the judges/producers are desperate to save their top 2.


Originally Posted by Lurksalot:
“The two highlighted sections tell me everything I need to know about this story. ”

Well, to be fair they managed to report who came out on top of the votes on last years Xfactor accurately every single time.
Jan2555*GG*
04-12-2009
Considering the position that Chris and Ola have been on the leaderboard for a lot of this series and never been within sniffing distance of the dance off you would have to be silly or Len Goodman not to realise that Chris is getting the popular vote. So I think the Daily Stair have it right.
Scattyjan
04-12-2009
I'm completely convinced that Chris is topping the public vote, the Daily Star is only saying what most of us already believe - but it'll be the placing of the leaderboard true to form and the fact that there will be a dance off that could see him out, not any new loophole or judges manipulations.
Agent Krycek
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Considering the position that Chris and Ola have been on the leaderboard for a lot of this series and never been within sniffing distance of the dance off you would have to be silly or Len Goodman not to realise that Chris is getting the popular vote. So I think the Daily Stair have it right.”

I think they probably do have it correct (and there's a sentence I never thought I'd type about the Daily Star ) - however, Chris has far more chance of getting through if he ends up at the bottom of the board. Last year, Austin had to top the public vote and Tom, who was one place above him, has to come bottom of the vote for Austin to get out of the dance off, but Tom was extremely popular as well, so it wasn't going to happen - soon as the final leader board was up my epic SCD sulk had started

This year all three of the others have been in the dance off, so there more of chance that, if he's placed 4th, number 3 will be bottom on the public vote, thus allowing Chris through. (I think )
What name??
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by Scattyjan:
“I'm completely convinced that Chris is topping the public vote, the Daily Star is only saying what most of us already believe - but it'll be the placing of the leaderboard true to form and the fact that there will be a dance off that could see him out, not any new loophole or judges manipulations.”

Which is how it should be otherwise the show would be a pure popularity contest and the dancing become totally unimportant. Any breakfast presenter could win it and nobody else need apply just as an Osmond only has to turn up on DWTS to get a top 3 place.
Monkseal
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“I think they probably do have it correct (and there's a sentence I never thought I'd type about the Daily Star ) - however, Chris has far more chance of getting through if he ends up at the bottom of the board. Last year, Austin had to top the public vote and Tom, who was one place above him, has to come bottom of the vote for Austin to get out of the dance off, but Tom was extremely popular as well, so it wasn't going to happen - soon as the final leader board was up my epic SCD sulk had started

This year all three of the others have been in the dance off, so there more of chance that, if he's placed 4th, number 3 will be bottom on the public vote, thus allowing Chris through. (I think )”

The leaderboard when Austin went out was 1. Rachel, 2. Tom, 3. Lisa, 4. Austin.

The judges leaderboard where the most popular person with the public can go out is :

1. 3rd most favourite with the public
2. 2nd most favourite with the public
3. Least favourite with the public
4. Most favourite with the public

Therefore to finish bottom with the least popular person in 3rd is the WORST thing that could happen to Chris.
Scattyjan
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Which is how it should be otherwise the show would be a pure popularity contest and the dancing become totally unimportant. Any breakfast presenter could win it and nobody else need apply just as an Osmond only has to turn up on DWTS to get a top 3 place.”

Yep - like the BBC Spokesman said, you have to get through on the combination of judges scores and public vote. Although I would like a return to the days of the couple in the bottom two more popular with the public going through! That would settle all the arguments.

Will take you to task re Donny *swoon* though ... loved his foxtrot and Argentine Tango! I mean, he can dance! I think he's the perfect combo actually of personality and dancing. He and Bruno were hysterical!
LazySusan
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by River Man:
“Yep true, but it's good that someone is highlighting it.
If other papers pick up on it too, then there's a chance we could get rid of this 'loophole'
”


It is good the papers are highlighting it but it could also have the effect of people saying they won't bother to vote for Chris if it isn't going to say him, not that would be a di-sas-ter.
River Man
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Which is how it should be otherwise the show would be a pure popularity contest and the dancing become totally unimportant. Any breakfast presenter could win it and nobody else need apply just as an Osmond only has to turn up on DWTS to get a top 3 place.”


This sort of attitude is why I no longer look forward to show I once loved.

If the BBC want a pure dance competition then they should do away with the public vote.
jgerlmn9
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by Scattyjan:
“Yep - like the BBC Spokesman said, you have to get through on the combination of judges scores and public vote. Although I would like a return to the days of the couple in the bottom two more popular with the public going through! That would settle all the arguments.

Will take you to task re Donny *swoon* though ... loved his foxtrot and Argentine Tango! I mean, he can dance! I think he's the perfect combo actually of personality and dancing. He and Bruno were hysterical!”

Agree Donny could have won on popular vote it's true but he did it on ability too which made it a great final IMO
Agent Krycek
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“The leaderboard when Austin went out was 1. Rachel, 2. Tom, 3. Lisa, 4. Austin.

The judges leaderboard where the most popular person with the public can go out is :

1. 3rd most favourite with the public
2. 2nd most favourite with the public
3. Least favourite with the public
4. Most favourite with the public

Therefore to finish bottom with the least popular person in 3rd is the WORST thing that could happen to Chris.”

Sorry, vodka has affected my memory cells You're right, I knew it was mathematically impossible for Austin to get out given Tom's popularity, but did reverse his position with Lisa.
What name??
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by Scattyjan:
“Yep - like the BBC Spokesman said, you have to get through on the combination of judges scores and public vote. Although I would like a return to the days of the couple in the bottom two more popular with the public going through! That would settle all the arguments.”

No it wouldn't. It would just make the followers of dance less happy and the fans of the personalities more happy and change the nature of the arguement.
Monkseal
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by Scattyjan:
“Yep - like the BBC Spokesman said, you have to get through on the combination of judges scores and public vote. Although I would like a return to the days of the couple in the bottom two more popular with the public going through! That would settle all the arguments.

Will take you to task re Donny *swoon* though ... loved his foxtrot and Argentine Tango! I mean, he can dance! I think he's the perfect combo actually of personality and dancing. He and Bruno were hysterical!”

But that never happened - if it were the case Denise never would have made the final of series 2, and Zoe never would have made the final of series 3, and Emma would have been out long before 3rd place.

I've always said the best system of public and judge vote is the American one, because it's proportional. Cuts out all this silly ranknigs bollocks, where getting more votes can actually hurt you, at a stroke.
Scattyjan
04-12-2009
Originally Posted by What name??:
“No it wouldn't. It would just make the followers of dance less happy and the fans of the personalities more happy and change the nature of the arguement.”

But I think the majority of the viewers and voters aren't either dance purists nor just go for personality, past finalists and winners have generally been a combination (like Donny - see, perfect example!). Under the old rules less people were unhappy. And more people watched and voted. And generally the better dancers made it through to the end. I have no problem with my fave going out in a public vote but it sticks in the gullet when you know your fave is the majority fave and they go out in a dance off, when they'd have gone through under the old rules.
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