listening to the judges this week it seems they have already decided that Ali has won - no need for the others to turn up.
judges have decided already who will win
Originally Posted by crispih:
“listening to the judges this week it seems they have already decided that Ali has won - no need for the others to turn up.”
“listening to the judges this week it seems they have already decided that Ali has won - no need for the others to turn up.”
:yawn: as the final is just a public vote, don't see what the problem is, i have to say i think chris has it in the bag, so not much point the others turning up!
Originally Posted by Ali strictly:
“:yawn: as the final is just a public vote, don't see what the problem is, i have to say i think chris has it in the bag, so not much point the others turning up!”
“:yawn: as the final is just a public vote, don't see what the problem is, i have to say i think chris has it in the bag, so not much point the others turning up!”
Not if the judges force him out in the semi's... Chris fans will have to vote like mad this week, and more importantly at the semis in order for him to have a place in the finals...
For me it would be a little of a traversy in Cola won, in spite of them being a real charming and charismatic couple this year. Ricky and Ali are clearly better dancers than Chris is (although neither of them are outstanding and there have been better finalists in previous years...)
I would like Ali to win, she is a better dancer than Chris and I like her partnership with Brian...
If the judges conspired to get Chris into a dance-off this week, I truly believe that Len would not return next series. Retired? No, fired on the quiet.
Why? For flushing the ratings of the last two weeks of SCD right down the toilet. The BBC know that this is what will happen if Chris goes.
I think we'll see him get absolutely slaughtered for his samba tomorrow, but just pip Laila in the marking over the two dances, thus condemning her to the dance-off.
Or move that scenario to next week, if they put everyone through tomorrow.
Why? For flushing the ratings of the last two weeks of SCD right down the toilet. The BBC know that this is what will happen if Chris goes.
I think we'll see him get absolutely slaughtered for his samba tomorrow, but just pip Laila in the marking over the two dances, thus condemning her to the dance-off.
Or move that scenario to next week, if they put everyone through tomorrow.
Originally Posted by tonydancer:
“If the judges conspired to get Chris into a dance-off this week, I truly believe that Len would not return next series. Retired? No, fired on the quiet.
Why? For flushing the ratings of the last two weeks of SCD right down the toilet. The BBC know that this is what will happen if Chris goes.
I think we'll see him get absolutely slaughtered for his samba tomorrow, but just pip Laila in the marking over the two dances, thus condemning her to the dance-off.
Or move that scenario to next week, if they put everyone through tomorrow.”
“If the judges conspired to get Chris into a dance-off this week, I truly believe that Len would not return next series. Retired? No, fired on the quiet.
Why? For flushing the ratings of the last two weeks of SCD right down the toilet. The BBC know that this is what will happen if Chris goes.
I think we'll see him get absolutely slaughtered for his samba tomorrow, but just pip Laila in the marking over the two dances, thus condemning her to the dance-off.
Or move that scenario to next week, if they put everyone through tomorrow.”
Not every viewer wants chris to win I most certainly don't If he dances as badly as this weeks training shows he might I don't think he deserves to be in the final
It's presumptious to think that everyone wants chris to win. Personally that's my least favourite option of the 4 on offer.
If the training shots are any guide Chris will be gurning through both dances and will thoroughly deserve to be in the dance-off with Laila.
welwynrose, marie67. The scenario I gave (Chris winning) is what I think is likely to happen, that's all. Not what I want to happen.
Originally Posted by marie67:
“It's presumptious to think that everyone wants chris to win. Personally that's my least favourite option of the 4 on offer.”
“It's presumptious to think that everyone wants chris to win. Personally that's my least favourite option of the 4 on offer.”
well said.
Originally Posted by tonydancer:
“If the judges conspired to get Chris into a dance-off this week, I truly believe that Len would not return next series. Retired? No, fired on the quiet.
Why? For flushing the ratings of the last two weeks of SCD right down the toilet. The BBC know that this is what will happen if Chris goes.
I think we'll see him get absolutely slaughtered for his samba tomorrow, but just pip Laila in the marking over the two dances, thus condemning her to the dance-off.
Or move that scenario to next week, if they put everyone through tomorrow.”
“If the judges conspired to get Chris into a dance-off this week, I truly believe that Len would not return next series. Retired? No, fired on the quiet.
Why? For flushing the ratings of the last two weeks of SCD right down the toilet. The BBC know that this is what will happen if Chris goes.
I think we'll see him get absolutely slaughtered for his samba tomorrow, but just pip Laila in the marking over the two dances, thus condemning her to the dance-off.
Or move that scenario to next week, if they put everyone through tomorrow.”
How likely is it that Chris won't come third or fourth on merit or that Laila won't come last or third? You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain whats likely anyway. Actually on the ITT talk from earlier this week Laila should beat Chris or do even better, but on Craig's comments today may be worse than Chris.
It would solve a lot of problems with the show if they lost the voters who keep on voting for the weakest and they will lose other viewers if they end up with the weakest dancer winning and making the rest of the series irrelevant. This year without the public vote they would have had a spare to keep three competititors in the race after Jade dropped out, would have kept Martina and wouldn't have had the Craig to Blackpool distraction.
I don't see how Len could be got rid of for doing his job and the gaps are so large now that he could hardly miss the obvious. The only thing that may make him retire are his medical issue or just the desire to do something else rather than be ignored by voters voting for whoever is worst.
Originally Posted by Ali strictly:
“:yawn: as the final is just a public vote, don't see what the problem is, i have to say i think chris has it in the bag, so not much point the others turning up!”
“:yawn: as the final is just a public vote, don't see what the problem is, i have to say i think chris has it in the bag, so not much point the others turning up!”
Indeed and thats the problem. A Jade, Ali v Ricky final outcome would have had to depend on what they did in the final with a bit of story coming in. Two of them can act and one was exceptionally fit so there was plenty of scope for someone to pass the wow factor test. They could all dance, all had problems to overcome or not. You can see that coming down to performance and what style people liked and what weaknesses were crucial. Even a Chris, Ali, Ricky final would work if the voting was close and Chris was nearer on ability . If the tabloids are right though that the voting is 60 % for Chris and then 3 sharing 40%, they might as well just show a VT of Ola telling Chris off in the final and end it there.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Indeed and thats the problem. A Jade, Ali v Ricky final outcome would have had to depend on what they did in the final with a bit of story coming in. Two of them can act and one was exceptionally fit so there was plenty of scope for someone to pass the wow factor test. They could all dance, all had problems to overcome or not. You can see that coming down to performance and what style people liked and what weaknesses were crucial. Even a Chris, Ali, Ricky final would work if the voting was close and Chris was nearer on ability . If the tabloids are right though that the voting is 60 % for Chris and then 3 sharing 40%, they might as well just show a VT of Ola telling Chris off in the final and end it there.”
“Indeed and thats the problem. A Jade, Ali v Ricky final outcome would have had to depend on what they did in the final with a bit of story coming in. Two of them can act and one was exceptionally fit so there was plenty of scope for someone to pass the wow factor test. They could all dance, all had problems to overcome or not. You can see that coming down to performance and what style people liked and what weaknesses were crucial. Even a Chris, Ali, Ricky final would work if the voting was close and Chris was nearer on ability . If the tabloids are right though that the voting is 60 % for Chris and then 3 sharing 40%, they might as well just show a VT of Ola telling Chris off in the final and end it there.”
So the public don't agree with you on who's the best dancer (and that's if we believe the Daily Star!) - it's not as though Chris is of the standard of John Sargeant, Chris Parker, Craig Kelly - he's competent to say the least, and I think no worse than Darren Gough, so his victory will not be a complete disaster for the show.
Currently, the show is entitled Strictly Come Dancing - not Come Dancing. The public vote is key. The public pay money to vote for their favourite, while the judges' are paid for their 'expert' opinions. The judges have to understand that the public may have a different reason for voting to themselves. Personality does come into it - partners who do not appear to connect on the floor will not attract support.
Chris and Ola give it everything. That's what's attractive to the audience. It's more than looks, it's more than just dancing, it's (to coin a phrase) The X Factor. Something undefinable, but brilliant.
I understand that others disagree, and fully respect their opinion. But if the majority of the public feel the same way as me, and want Chris and Ola to win, they should not leave the competition (and that goes for any public favourite).
Sorry, this post is long, rambly, and probably makes little sense.
You simply get to pick a winner out of the judges favourites at this stage.
They want Ali to win and they are entitled to their opinions i reckon. If it's based on dance ability....Ricky ought to win as he will simply crush Ali in the latin and ballroom if he's on form but it seems like the judges have suddenly gotten over him somehow.
But they probably also know that despite him being the better performer and dancer that she can easily beat him on votes. The same thing happened when Alesha won against Matt and they had to get rid of Gethin because his popularity soared in the last month of the competition.
They want Ali to win and they are entitled to their opinions i reckon. If it's based on dance ability....Ricky ought to win as he will simply crush Ali in the latin and ballroom if he's on form but it seems like the judges have suddenly gotten over him somehow.
But they probably also know that despite him being the better performer and dancer that she can easily beat him on votes. The same thing happened when Alesha won against Matt and they had to get rid of Gethin because his popularity soared in the last month of the competition.
I think the issue in regards to Ricky for many is he started at a high point, and isn't a joker. You either need to be a joker or have a journey to have a good run on Strictly, and Ricky has neither on his side - nor Ali, particularly, though she's been on a longer journey than Ricky. Chris is a joker, and Laila's been on a journey hence popularity appears to be slightly in their favour now.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I think the issue in regards to Ricky for many is he started at a high point, and isn't a joker. You either need to be a joker or have a journey to have a good run on Strictly, and Ricky has neither on his side - nor Ali, particularly, though she's been on a longer journey than Ricky. Chris is a joker, and Laila's been on a journey hence popularity appears to be slightly in their favour now.”
“I think the issue in regards to Ricky for many is he started at a high point, and isn't a joker. You either need to be a joker or have a journey to have a good run on Strictly, and Ricky has neither on his side - nor Ali, particularly, though she's been on a longer journey than Ricky. Chris is a joker, and Laila's been on a journey hence popularity appears to be slightly in their favour now.”
Agree the joker and the journey.
Anton has support and he's on a journey into new waters too which people may also think is his last chance.
Ray won DOI 09 even though he started miles ahead and stayed there and even if he didn't ever produce a great routine. Ricky may have other problems on top - he doesn't actually have any story, he looks a bit overcommitted and he's come over as somewhat remote - not helped by training miles away and being geographically somewhat remote. Doing well isn't the basis of very interesting VTs.
Ali is textbook southern, middleclass sounding, very pretty girl and has the usual vote problems to get over. Injuries ought to build a positive story of problems overcome but, as with being good, scenes in A and E also mean you don't end up with funny VTs that show you falling over, saying you will try and do better or being bossed around by Ola for being hopeless.
Chris. as Bruno pointed out. is cute and may look like he needs mothering - you only have to look at recent series of IAC to see that that works. Ola overacheved with Kenny so she has it in her to get someone a bit better even further. It may be no coincidence either that likeable but not very good Donal makes the final of DOI 09 over at least 2 better females. There's also the example of X factor last year where the winner picked up the votes of those who went and Alex's vote gained as each other girl left. On SCD you have to ask where its most likely that most of Joe, Craig, Phil Ricky's and Nat's vote went and I doubt if its Ali or Ricky.
Originally Posted by Danslink:
“ali's boring...sorry
i dont like chris
natalie was my favourite”
“ali's boring...sorry
i dont like chris
natalie was my favourite”
Once again the point of the show is totally lost on some.
My favorite was Phil, but I'm not deluded enough to even think that he should have made the quarter final.
Ali & Ricky are the two best dancers. Chris should have gone before Natalie. I just hope that he is in the bottom two with Ali, doing Samba. He will sure to be gone, and not win the event because he works on the BBC.
Originally Posted by afterthoughts:
“Once again the point of the show is totally lost on some.
My favorite was Phil, but I'm not deluded enough to even think that he should have made the quarter final.
Ali & Ricky are the two best dancers. Chris should have gone before Natalie. I just hope that he is in the bottom two with Ali, doing Samba. He will sure to be gone, and not win the event because he works on the BBC.”
“Once again the point of the show is totally lost on some.
My favorite was Phil, but I'm not deluded enough to even think that he should have made the quarter final.
Ali & Ricky are the two best dancers. Chris should have gone before Natalie. I just hope that he is in the bottom two with Ali, doing Samba. He will sure to be gone, and not win the event because he works on the BBC.”
So what is the point of the show?
It can't be a straightforward dance competition because if it was, why would there be a public vote?
If we were just looking for the best dancers to progress, we could just have the judges marks each week and forget anything else. Or simpler still, have a straight face-off between Ricky and Ali and stuff the rest of them.
It goes without saying that the show is better for having a couple of celebs who start with no pedigree and improve significantly to the point where they can challenge at the end of the series but, in the absence of that this year (still miss Jade), I find it slightly insulting that people are still pontificating about the show being all about dancing and that it goes without saying that those who are better at dancing somehow have a divine right to win the show.
When I examine my own feelings, I probably come down to the face that, for me, a celeb has to have a certain fundamental ability to dance to ever get my vote.
However, that's only my view and while there's a public vote, nobody should presume to tell others what the show is about. That is tantamount to telling them how to vote and, as such, making the public vote irrelevant.
Originally Posted by marie67:
“It's presumptious to think that everyone wants chris to win. Personally that's my least favourite option of the 4 on offer.”
“It's presumptious to think that everyone wants chris to win. Personally that's my least favourite option of the 4 on offer.”
I'm not over enthusiastic over anyone - but I don't think Chris' fans are suggesting everyone wants him to win - but that a clear majority do, and that he could be manoeuvred into the dance off and out of the competition by less than fair means.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I'm not over enthusiastic over anyone - but I don't think Chris' fans are suggesting everyone wants him to win - but that a clear majority do, and that he could be manoeuvred into the dance off and out of the competition by less than fair means.”
“I'm not over enthusiastic over anyone - but I don't think Chris' fans are suggesting everyone wants him to win - but that a clear majority do, and that he could be manoeuvred into the dance off and out of the competition by less than fair means.”
It all depends on what Lennie and his cronies decide who we vote for
There are so many posts on here that make me cross or I disagree with that I am not going to bother quoting them all.
First of all.....I am true fan of strictly always have been, everything else has to go on hold when strictly is on and I am supporting Chris. This does not mean I am deluded or dont understand the point of the show, or that I am some kind of idiot that wants to upset the judges, infact this is the FIRST year that I have supported someone who I consider to be an reasonable dancer when there are better dancers in the competition, and this is because the better dancers are so DULL I could not name you 1 dance of Ali or Ricky that I would be particularly interested in seeing again because they just have not grabbed me. However Chris has danced at least 3 dances that I am happy to watch again and pay money to see on tour.
Chris is NOT a terrible dancer in the mould of Craig or Joe or even John (although he had a big entertainment value too) he just isnt as technically good as Ali or Ricky but he has that extra something that they dont. Obviously not everyone on these forum or in the outside world are supporting Chris but an awful lot are and we dont deserve to be regarded as in some way 'letting the show down' There have always been better dancers who should have won and didnt in most series ....in the eyes of some viewers.....but at the end of the day it is the viewers who count and the judges and the BBC need to remember this.
If Chris wins I will be one happy bunny as it will be completely deserved based on the amount of entertainment Chris and Ola have given me over the last 12 weeks, if they dont then so be it, they will be a very creditble 4th 3rd or runner up but they will always be the highlight of series 7 for me.
First of all.....I am true fan of strictly always have been, everything else has to go on hold when strictly is on and I am supporting Chris. This does not mean I am deluded or dont understand the point of the show, or that I am some kind of idiot that wants to upset the judges, infact this is the FIRST year that I have supported someone who I consider to be an reasonable dancer when there are better dancers in the competition, and this is because the better dancers are so DULL I could not name you 1 dance of Ali or Ricky that I would be particularly interested in seeing again because they just have not grabbed me. However Chris has danced at least 3 dances that I am happy to watch again and pay money to see on tour.
Chris is NOT a terrible dancer in the mould of Craig or Joe or even John (although he had a big entertainment value too) he just isnt as technically good as Ali or Ricky but he has that extra something that they dont. Obviously not everyone on these forum or in the outside world are supporting Chris but an awful lot are and we dont deserve to be regarded as in some way 'letting the show down' There have always been better dancers who should have won and didnt in most series ....in the eyes of some viewers.....but at the end of the day it is the viewers who count and the judges and the BBC need to remember this.
If Chris wins I will be one happy bunny as it will be completely deserved based on the amount of entertainment Chris and Ola have given me over the last 12 weeks, if they dont then so be it, they will be a very creditble 4th 3rd or runner up but they will always be the highlight of series 7 for me.
I agree with the OP in that the judges have marked Ali as their favourite, so sadly she is pretty much guaranteed a place in the final. I just hope (assuming Laila goes tonight) that Chris will get enough votes to escape the dance off in the semi final and get to the final. He may not be the best dancer but he is certainly the most entertaining IMO.
