Originally Posted by pierre_gustave:
“Ricky can dance but he has zero charm.
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“Ricky can dance but he has zero charm.
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I think he has more charm than Ali
Are the public mad?
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The public aren't mad - most of them don't actually vote for anybody and just want an entertaining show with good dancing. Which they may or may not get, depending on the minority who do vote.
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“I'm sorry if my post offend Abba but I'm that incensed and have had a lot of champers.
Listen, I understood last week and thought it was fair that ricky was in the dance off as he gave a poor performance.
This week? Ricky danced the other 3 off the stage and I think if chris gave the performances that Ricky did and found himself in the DO his fans would be incensed and they would have every right too. And I am always honest on here, I would be equally angry too, if any of the other 3 gave that kind of performance and found themselves in the DO I would be outraged.
Yes, I've asked for slack and got it from some quarters and I'm very thankful. I've been respectful myself mostly in turn. But I'm that angry, it's almost like gethin getting voted out of the SF combined with Rhydian losing XF for me, utter travesty.”
“I'm sorry if my post offend Abba but I'm that incensed and have had a lot of champers.
Listen, I understood last week and thought it was fair that ricky was in the dance off as he gave a poor performance.
This week? Ricky danced the other 3 off the stage and I think if chris gave the performances that Ricky did and found himself in the DO his fans would be incensed and they would have every right too. And I am always honest on here, I would be equally angry too, if any of the other 3 gave that kind of performance and found themselves in the DO I would be outraged.
Yes, I've asked for slack and got it from some quarters and I'm very thankful. I've been respectful myself mostly in turn. But I'm that angry, it's almost like gethin getting voted out of the SF combined with Rhydian losing XF for me, utter travesty.”
Who are you angry with, may I ask?
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“Who are you angry with, may I ask?”
“Who are you angry with, may I ask?”
That's a very good question! To me Ricky's dancing is not that good - boring & Natalie is overconfident. The more you shout the more people will vote elsewhere - we all have minds of our own. I will never vote for Ricky - no charm or charisma.
It is only a TV programme - nobody has died - calm down
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“I'm not criticising him. I felt sorry for him being in the DO after he'd danced so well. It is unfair but it's about more than the dancing. We probably get a wrong impression of Natalie through the clips on ITT and when they are talking to Tess but we can't help being influenced by them. I like Chris & Ola better despite them not being such good dancers but Ricky, Ali and Chris is the outcome I wanted tonight”
“I'm not criticising him. I felt sorry for him being in the DO after he'd danced so well. It is unfair but it's about more than the dancing. We probably get a wrong impression of Natalie through the clips on ITT and when they are talking to Tess but we can't help being influenced by them. I like Chris & Ola better despite them not being such good dancers but Ricky, Ali and Chris is the outcome I wanted tonight”
I don`t think the clips/vts they show of Ricky and Natalie do them any favours ...... they come across as all work and no play - whereas with the other couples we get to see their funny side too. I can`t remember R/N being shown on ITT that much either.
It can`t be all down to work pressure as Chris works all hours too.
Originally Posted by tawny:
“no charm or charisma.”
“no charm or charisma.”
This is exactly how I feel about Ali and Brian - they don't offend me or upset me, however, they defintitely do not set my world on fire either.
Chris and Ola make me laugh and entertain me but Chris' technical dancing ability is not exactly spectacular.
Ricky, however, is performing fantastically well on and off the dance floor and is getting praise from judges' comments. What more can he possibly do?
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“Who are you angry with, may I ask?”
“Who are you angry with, may I ask?”
It doesn't matter anymore, I stand by my choice of supporting dance technique and have given this year up as one that will be won by a nice guy who isn't the best dancer by any stretch of the imagination.
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“It doesn't matter anymore, I stand by my choice of supporting dance technique and have given this year up as one that will be won by a nice guy who isn't the best dancer by any stretch of the imagination.”
“It doesn't matter anymore, I stand by my choice of supporting dance technique and have given this year up as one that will be won by a nice guy who isn't the best dancer by any stretch of the imagination.”
Nice attempt to avoid a direct question. You're angry that the public do not share your opinion.
Originally Posted by Cassie:
“What is all this about. Dancing!!!! Ricky is by far the best so why don't you vote. Some ppl say its Natalie, others Ricky. They are brilliant. For Goodness sake have some sense. You can't kick someone out who earns 95 out of 100 compared to Laila or even Chris (though cute isn't comparable). I despair of some people I really do. Why does it always come down to personality rather than talent. Utterly ridiculous.”
“What is all this about. Dancing!!!! Ricky is by far the best so why don't you vote. Some ppl say its Natalie, others Ricky. They are brilliant. For Goodness sake have some sense. You can't kick someone out who earns 95 out of 100 compared to Laila or even Chris (though cute isn't comparable). I despair of some people I really do. Why does it always come down to personality rather than talent. Utterly ridiculous.”
Totally agree with you Cassie just feel so upset tonight as you say what does the guy have to do. His dancing was amazing tonight he outdanced everybody.
I like Ricky he seems a lovely guy.
Both Vincent and Ian have said he is the best dancer and should win and obviously they appreciate talent.
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Overmarking? Ricky was head and shoulders above the rest and it doesn't matter how people can explain how he is dull or whatever the stupid reason they have against him... He was the best dancer tonight
This is general message now: if people cannot appreciate how good a dancer Ricky is, you all need your sodding eyes tested. A complete effing disgrace tonight's result was and flame me all you want to, I'm that frigging angry that people cannot realise real dancing talent when it does such a beautiful foxtrot in front of you.
Go to specsavers.
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“Overmarking? Ricky was head and shoulders above the rest and it doesn't matter how people can explain how he is dull or whatever the stupid reason they have against him... He was the best dancer tonight
This is general message now: if people cannot appreciate how good a dancer Ricky is, you all need your sodding eyes tested. A complete effing disgrace tonight's result was and flame me all you want to, I'm that frigging angry that people cannot realise real dancing talent when it does such a beautiful foxtrot in front of you.
Go to specsavers.
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Well I am not angry with you I agree with all you say.
Ricky was amazing tonight and cannot believe people cannot appreciate his amazing dancing.
Originally Posted by knawtitypaos:
“The public ARE mad. Ricky is A MILLION MILES the best dancer - the judges vote proved it.
Unfortunately, it is a popularity contest - people know who they are going to vote for before the celebs even dance
Ricky just as might as well stay at home next week because the munchkins and "shagger and shagger" will get through. They could spend all of next week traipsing around on their arses and idiots would still vote for them”
“The public ARE mad. Ricky is A MILLION MILES the best dancer - the judges vote proved it.
Unfortunately, it is a popularity contest - people know who they are going to vote for before the celebs even dance
Ricky just as might as well stay at home next week because the munchkins and "shagger and shagger" will get through. They could spend all of next week traipsing around on their arses and idiots would still vote for them”
You have got it spot on!!
so he can dance hes still thoroughly unlikeable as is ali,
I like Chris and Ola chops so i root for them, and i don't have much time for lalia but i preferred both lalias dances over Rikki and ali as well, despite the fact rikki and ali are technically better than chris and lalia
I like Chris and Ola chops so i root for them, and i don't have much time for lalia but i preferred both lalias dances over Rikki and ali as well, despite the fact rikki and ali are technically better than chris and lalia
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“I'm sorry if my post offend Abba but I'm that incensed and have had a lot of champers.
Listen, I understood last week and thought it was fair that ricky was in the dance off as he gave a poor performance.
This week? Ricky danced the other 3 off the stage and I think if chris gave the performances that Ricky did and found himself in the DO his fans would be incensed and they would have every right too. And I am always honest on here, I would be equally angry too, if any of the other 3 gave that kind of performance and found themselves in the DO I would be outraged.
Yes, I've asked for slack and got it from some quarters and I'm very thankful. I've been respectful myself mostly in turn. But I'm that angry, it's almost like gethin getting voted out of the SF combined with Rhydian losing XF for me, utter travesty.”
“I'm sorry if my post offend Abba but I'm that incensed and have had a lot of champers.
Listen, I understood last week and thought it was fair that ricky was in the dance off as he gave a poor performance.
This week? Ricky danced the other 3 off the stage and I think if chris gave the performances that Ricky did and found himself in the DO his fans would be incensed and they would have every right too. And I am always honest on here, I would be equally angry too, if any of the other 3 gave that kind of performance and found themselves in the DO I would be outraged.
Yes, I've asked for slack and got it from some quarters and I'm very thankful. I've been respectful myself mostly in turn. But I'm that angry, it's almost like gethin getting voted out of the SF combined with Rhydian losing XF for me, utter travesty.”
Originally Posted by Miss Kookie:
“Thank you drbolognaise
Some sense at last
I totally agree with your post.
I don't know Ricky personally, but from from an avid Strictly fan's perspective ( I have not missed a series and I have been to live shows in London) - I am truly perplexed by the lack of support towards one of the best dancers of the series and/or maybe even programme overall?!?
What is going on?
For goodness sake, forget the professional partner (established Strictly professional or not), forget the media coverage (or lack of; lack of ITT - work commitments; pap incident etc) he has proved tonight he is by far the best best dancer in the competition.
Disagree if you want - you are not going to get much support!”
“Thank you drbolognaise
Some sense at last
I totally agree with your post.
I don't know Ricky personally, but from from an avid Strictly fan's perspective ( I have not missed a series and I have been to live shows in London) - I am truly perplexed by the lack of support towards one of the best dancers of the series and/or maybe even programme overall?!?
What is going on?
For goodness sake, forget the professional partner (established Strictly professional or not), forget the media coverage (or lack of; lack of ITT - work commitments; pap incident etc) he has proved tonight he is by far the best best dancer in the competition.
Disagree if you want - you are not going to get much support!”
OK - for me Ricky didn't dance the others off the stage. To me (and not for the moment I'm saying I'm technically right) his Foxtrot was stiff, the rise and fall was staccato, his hold was high and his posture was too rigid. His Cha Cha Cha had a repetition of a couple of steps right through the 90 seconds and didn't light up the room like a latin should. He didn't sell the performance for either.
That's why I didn't vote - because I don't buy the argument he's the best dancer. The judge's say he is, that's fair enough, that is their opinion. But if I can't get into the connection between the couple and the attitude of the dance they're portraying, I'm not going to vote for them.
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“Nice attempt to avoid a direct question. You're angry that the public do not share your opinion.”
“Nice attempt to avoid a direct question. You're angry that the public do not share your opinion.”
I'm not avoiding anything, I'm just conceding defeat that the personality will win this year, what's the problem there?
I'm angry yes, because the top of the leaderboard was in the DO basically. I think that's shockingly bad. Obviously not many people share that opnion and I'm aware of that, but I
allowed to say it as frankly as everyone else does on here and I'll be damned if I cower away in the corner if I feel something isn't right. I call a spade a spade and I say - in a forum of free spoech where I respect other opinions - that Ricky Whittle is the best dancer of series 7 IN MY OPINION and I think it is a shame people don't realize this for whatever reasons. Some reasons I can understand, but there are some I just do not.
People vote for those they LIKE it's not based on dancing skill. I watched the programme with a group of nine others, some with dance experience and some that had judged other sports such as gymnastics. They were all impressed by Ricky's dancing but could not get over the 10s and felt a certain smugness about it. What stunned most people was the judges views of the couples before the Latin dances, Many of us felt that the marks had been pre-decided (even if they hadn't it's the impression made). One of us even commented that here comes Ricky "even if I fall over I'll still look good and score 10". So perhaps people feel that they are having a winner foisted upon them and are saying we matter and our opinion is important
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“I call a spade a spade and I say - in a forum of free speech where I respect other opinions - that Ricky Whittle is the best dancer of series 7 IN MY OPINION and I think it is a shame people don't realize this for whatever reasons. Some reasons I can understand, but there are some I just do not.”
“I call a spade a spade and I say - in a forum of free speech where I respect other opinions - that Ricky Whittle is the best dancer of series 7 IN MY OPINION and I think it is a shame people don't realize this for whatever reasons. Some reasons I can understand, but there are some I just do not.”
The thing which you seem unable to grasp is that many, many people do realise he's the best dancer. Many share your opinion (which you seem to think is yours and yours alone). Many, many people have even admitted he's the best dancer.
But they just don't care.
They are not voting for the best dancer. Tess isn't asking them to vote for the best dancer. They ae voting for the person who entertains them the most. They are voting for their favourite.
Being the best dancer does not automatically win you Strictly Come Dancing no more than being a jungle survival expert automatically wins you I'm a Celebrity (otherwise Ray Mears whould be a cert
). People have to like you too.
I will not be told who to vote for.
Neither will I accept that who I choose to vote for is wrong on the basis it doesn't coincide with that of another FM.
We are asked to vote on our favourites - not who is (in the judges opinion) the best dancer. That has always been the rule, and that has always produced shock exits. That is part of the shows format - like it or loath it. In this case, it did not produce a shock exit, just someone else's favourite in the dance off.
I will not vote for Ricky, partly because of his partner (who should not be invited back IMHO. but probably will be - let's hope she learns by this), and partly because the partnership does nothing for me. I have nothing against him, just not going to vote for him.
I have switched my vote from Natalie and Vincent to Cola. The partnership is engaging, and the journey has been a good one. I do accept that Ali or Ricky are more likely to win, but neither partnership does anything for me, so they don't get my vote.
That's the way the competition has always worked. If you don't like it then don't watch it - and certainly don't come on here drunk telling people they are voting for the wrong person and mad.
Neither will I accept that who I choose to vote for is wrong on the basis it doesn't coincide with that of another FM.
We are asked to vote on our favourites - not who is (in the judges opinion) the best dancer. That has always been the rule, and that has always produced shock exits. That is part of the shows format - like it or loath it. In this case, it did not produce a shock exit, just someone else's favourite in the dance off.
I will not vote for Ricky, partly because of his partner (who should not be invited back IMHO. but probably will be - let's hope she learns by this), and partly because the partnership does nothing for me. I have nothing against him, just not going to vote for him.
I have switched my vote from Natalie and Vincent to Cola. The partnership is engaging, and the journey has been a good one. I do accept that Ali or Ricky are more likely to win, but neither partnership does anything for me, so they don't get my vote.
That's the way the competition has always worked. If you don't like it then don't watch it - and certainly don't come on here drunk telling people they are voting for the wrong person and mad.
Like it or not, (and I don't), we're stuck with this system of voting. Now there are three couples left, all of whom can produce excellent dances and all of whom can have a cow from time to time. Ali is excellent at ballroom, Ricky is good all round. Chris is a good dancer handicapped by a set of facial expressions which could have been produced by a novice wood-carver in the days when sailing ships had figureheads.
If Chris is in next week's dance-off, he'll be out unless the other couple have an aforementioned cow. In the final, Craig and Darcey will vote honestly according to what they are looking for. Len may go with his favourite, as may Bruno but Alesha can be swayed by style over substance. My guess - Ali to win.
If Chris is in next week's dance-off, he'll be out unless the other couple have an aforementioned cow. In the final, Craig and Darcey will vote honestly according to what they are looking for. Len may go with his favourite, as may Bruno but Alesha can be swayed by style over substance. My guess - Ali to win.
I really don't get the Chris 'journey'. What he can and can't do was evident from week 1 and he has not improved that much. Yes the Charleston last week - well-choreographed by an outsider - was a good performance, but this week he's back to the usual corny mediocrity.
Ok - not so evident as some of the "Journeeeeeees" we've seen in past series, and in truth, if others were still in it I'd be voting for them - especially Jade. However, we have one couple I actively do not like, and one I am indifferent to and have been all series. It's clear where my vote is going.
Regarding Ricky not having access to London media - that's true, but not a factor. He could have chatted to Claudia live on ITT from training. That didn't happen. But in any case, I'm not convinved it would help. I still wouldn't have voted for him. I believe he should have gone home last week, but that often doesn't happen as the judges have their favourites. I.E. Matt DA who got a repreive over a better dancer for forgetting the dance and walking round in circles.
Regarding Ricky not having access to London media - that's true, but not a factor. He could have chatted to Claudia live on ITT from training. That didn't happen. But in any case, I'm not convinved it would help. I still wouldn't have voted for him. I believe he should have gone home last week, but that often doesn't happen as the judges have their favourites. I.E. Matt DA who got a repreive over a better dancer for forgetting the dance and walking round in circles.
Originally Posted by Stewie_C:
“Ok - not so evident as some of the "Journeeeeeees" we've seen in past series, and in truth, if others were still in it I'd be voting for them - especially Jade. However, we have one couple I actively do not like, and one I am indifferent to and have been all series. It's clear where my vote is going.
Regarding Ricky not having access to London media - that's true, but not a factor. He could have chatted to Claudia live on ITT from training. That didn't happen. But in any case, I'm not convinved it would help. I still wouldn't have voted for him. I believe he should have gone home last week, but that often doesn't happen as the judges have their favourites. I.E. Matt DA who got a repreive over a better dancer for forgetting the dance and walking round in circles.”
“Ok - not so evident as some of the "Journeeeeeees" we've seen in past series, and in truth, if others were still in it I'd be voting for them - especially Jade. However, we have one couple I actively do not like, and one I am indifferent to and have been all series. It's clear where my vote is going.
Regarding Ricky not having access to London media - that's true, but not a factor. He could have chatted to Claudia live on ITT from training. That didn't happen. But in any case, I'm not convinved it would help. I still wouldn't have voted for him. I believe he should have gone home last week, but that often doesn't happen as the judges have their favourites. I.E. Matt DA who got a repreive over a better dancer for forgetting the dance and walking round in circles.”
Did you really think Letitia was a better dancer than Matt? Because she was eliminated the week Matt had his meltdown.
Or are you claiming Matt forgot his 40-scoring waltz the week the judges eliminated Gethin?
I don't think the public are mad they just vote for who they like, it's their hard earned pennies after all. And then have a healthy resentment for being told who they should like. At least I do...
My voting ended last night but I'll sit back and enjoy watching the angst from now on in without having the stress myself!
My voting ended last night but I'll sit back and enjoy watching the angst from now on in without having the stress myself!
Actually - yes, I DID prefer her dancing to Matt's. That's why I voted for her.
I have nothing against Matt, but there were people I preferred over him. I like Flavia a great deal, but I don't vote on the basis of what Pro I want to win. I vote on what celeb I like best providing they aren't crap at dancing. For example, I would never vote for JS / Fiona / Garraway / Clary or any of the other ones that are JUST personality with limited ability.
I have nothing against Matt, but there were people I preferred over him. I like Flavia a great deal, but I don't vote on the basis of what Pro I want to win. I vote on what celeb I like best providing they aren't crap at dancing. For example, I would never vote for JS / Fiona / Garraway / Clary or any of the other ones that are JUST personality with limited ability.
Originally Posted by Cassie:
“What is all this about. Dancing!!!! Ricky is by far the best so why don't you vote. Some ppl say its Natalie, others Ricky. They are brilliant. For Goodness sake have some sense. You can't kick someone out who earns 95 out of 100 compared to Laila or even Chris (though cute isn't comparable). I despair of some people I really do. Why does it always come down to personality rather than talent. Utterly ridiculous.”
“What is all this about. Dancing!!!! Ricky is by far the best so why don't you vote. Some ppl say its Natalie, others Ricky. They are brilliant. For Goodness sake have some sense. You can't kick someone out who earns 95 out of 100 compared to Laila or even Chris (though cute isn't comparable). I despair of some people I really do. Why does it always come down to personality rather than talent. Utterly ridiculous.”
if you take into account all of the mistakes he makes, week after week after week, then he's not the best dancer.
It's extremely frustrating when he doesn't get marked down for those mistakes either.
I would rather see a clean simpler routine, than an over complicated one littered with errors.
Oh and stop with the 'ricky hasn't got access to the London media' bit. He has been on the cover of virtually every womens mag going, and prob some of the mens for that matter. Oh and he just happens to be topless. Talk about shamlessly pimping for votes.
That's just a poor excuse for him not being very popular and not getting the audience vote.
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“I'm not avoiding anything, I'm just conceding defeat that the personality will win this year, what's the problem there?
I'm angry yes, because the top of the leaderboard was in the DO basically. I think that's shockingly bad. Obviously not many people share that opnion and I'm aware of that, but I
allowed to say it as frankly as everyone else does on here and I'll be damned if I cower away in the corner if I feel something isn't right. I call a spade a spade and I say - in a forum of free spoech where I respect other opinions - that Ricky Whittle is the best dancer of series 7 IN MY OPINION and I think it is a shame people don't realize this for whatever reasons. Some reasons I can understand, but there are some I just do not.”
“I'm not avoiding anything, I'm just conceding defeat that the personality will win this year, what's the problem there?
I'm angry yes, because the top of the leaderboard was in the DO basically. I think that's shockingly bad. Obviously not many people share that opnion and I'm aware of that, but I
allowed to say it as frankly as everyone else does on here and I'll be damned if I cower away in the corner if I feel something isn't right. I call a spade a spade and I say - in a forum of free spoech where I respect other opinions - that Ricky Whittle is the best dancer of series 7 IN MY OPINION and I think it is a shame people don't realize this for whatever reasons. Some reasons I can understand, but there are some I just do not.”
I have no idea why you are so angry tonight .,But just to clarify , alot of people may agree and think Ricky is the best dancer and still not vote for him .That is their perogative and their right . Why you should spit feathers over that fact is beyond me
There will be two reasons why people didnt vote for Ricky
One they didnt think he was the best dancer and didnt vote and two that he was but prefared watching someone else , for many diverse reasons
That is a simple fact of the matter and honestly to come on here and shout at people to get to Specsavers and that we are all fools is so OTT and ridiculous that it makes no point at all .
Personely speaking , I cant vote due to geography , had I been able to vote I would have voted for both Ali and Chris . I f I was asked I would say Ricky danced better than them and would still not vote for him because I dont connect to him or enjoy his dance
So , am I a bad person or an idiot ? No I am not , I simply am not particularly enamoured by the same guy as you .
People who dont support your favourite are not idiots , and very capable of making up their own mind .
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