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The Best Dancer Will Not Win
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*Laura*
05-12-2009
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“Alesha too, I love her much more than Matt Di A but he was a better dancer.”

Thank you! I definitely thought he was the better dancer in the final. Alesha looked tired and jaded but, her fanbase got her through.

There have been enough finals where the better dancer has missed out. Heck, there have been series where the best dancers don't even make the final. However, I don't think there has been a series where someone as good as Ricky has looked so genuinely hurt and disappointed at being in the DO. My heart went to him and I sincerely hope he comes back fighting next week.
DavidJames
05-12-2009
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“Alesha too, I love her much more than Matt Di A but he was a better dancer.”

Mmmm... it was close, but I think Alesha was a bit better.

The main point is, she wasn't miles worse than the competition. So if she wasn't the best, she was pretty darn close to it.
MACTOWIN
05-12-2009
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“Chris winning is like John and Edward winning the X Factor .. they were able to 'sell' their performances too .. but they were mediocre singers to say the least

It's embarrassing to see him get through over Ricky ... and if there is a 'one trick pony' in the competition, it's not Ali .. it's Chris.”


Correct and next week he will get loads of support from the BBC.
Miah
05-12-2009
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“and if there is a 'one trick pony' in the competition, it's not Ali .. it's Chris.”

All I can say is 'giddeyup'.
Vodka_Drinka
05-12-2009
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“Correct and next week he will get loads of support from the BBC.”

No he wont. He's only ever on in the mornings.
SeasideLady
05-12-2009
I'm sure Chris will win, he's like Tom Chambers all over again. Nice couple, grandmas will be voting for him, and the blokes will vote for Ola. You can see already that even they're starting to believe it too !
carol north
05-12-2009
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“Thank you! I definitely thought he was the better dancer in the final. Alesha looked tired and jaded but, her fanbase got her through.

There have been enough finals where the better dancer has missed out. Heck, there have been series where the best dancers don't even make the final. However, I don't think there has been a series where someone as good as Ricky has looked so genuinely hurt and disappointed at being in the DO. My heart went to him and I sincerely hope he comes back fighting next week.”

Really agree with you there Laura I was so happy for Ricky that he did so well after last week and was top he so deserved it. It was horrible to see him look so upset as you say I hope he just goes for it next week.

I wondered if the public thought he was safe as he was at the top so did not vote for him!!
MACTOWIN
05-12-2009
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“No he wont. He's only ever on in the mornings.”

People watch BBC in the mornings.
-Sid-
05-12-2009
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“People watch BBC in the mornings.”

I don't.

I hadn't a clue who Chris was pre-Strictly.

But he won me over with his charm and his cute little partnership with Ola.

The pair are hugely popular. Have been for weeks.

It's not down to the BBC campaigning for them or any other far-fetched conspiracy theory.

It's down to likability factor and the ability to entertain. Something the other couples lack even though they may be technically superior.
MACTOWIN
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I don't.

I hadn't a clue who Chris was pre-Strictly.

But he won me over with his charm and his cute little partnership with Ola.

The pair are hugely popular. Have been for weeks.

It's not down to the BBC campaigning for them or any other far-fetched conspiracy theory.

It's down to likability factor and the ability to entertain. Something the other couples lack even though they may be technically superior.”

People do watch BBC in the morning otherwise they would not make shows.

Answer me this please, who is the weakest Dancer left?.
Vodka_Drinka
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“People do watch BBC in the morning otherwise they would not make shows.

Answer me this please, who is the weakest Dancer left?.”

GMTV gets about a million more viewers than BBC Breakfast. So your comments are innacurate. Its not like he has millions of people voting for him, his personality has won people over.
thenetworkbabe
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by nickynoodle167:
“Well next week if Ali tops the score board the voting will be:

01. Ali 3 2 5
02. Chris 1 3 4
03. Ricky 2 1 3

With Chris and Ricky bottom 2 and Chris out, however if he makes the final some of the casual viewers who may vote once a series may support the best dancer, I think Ali still has a pretty good chance of winning.”

Well if she can beat Ricky dancing and in the public vote she will deserve to be in the final. Its a tough demand though

If Ricky beats her at the dancing total it will be down to one dance (or should be) That will be the dancing final but decided by one dance not 3 and by the judges not the public..

If Chris can't beat either he only has to turn up and hope the strongest dancer on the night gets fewer votes than the next strongest. .

There's a big danger though that you end up with the weakest by a long way in the final with the biggest vote by a long way up against the strongest by a small margin and the least popular. Difficult to make it look more mismatched.
-Sid-
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“People do watch BBC in the morning otherwise they would not make shows.

Answer me this please, who is the weakest Dancer left?.”

But Bill Turnball held a similar (and actually more prominent) post on BBC Breakfast and he didn't get to the final of Strictly.

Neither did any of the GMTV presenters.

Neither did Christine Bleakly who presents an evening show for the Beeb or Gabby Logan who presents sports shows.

So why is it suddenly an advantage for Chris?

And no one is disputing that he's the weakest dancer. But he's the strongest performer and entertainer and like it or not, those are equally important factors in this game.
MACTOWIN
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“GMTV gets about a million more viewers than BBC Breakfast. So your comments are innacurate. Its not like he has millions of people voting for him, his personality has won people over.”


How do you work out my comments are innacurate are you saying that no one watches BBC in the mornings.
ianswaiting
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“It appears that we are not going to get the best Dancer winning this year I wont be surprised is Cola Cube wins which will be a disgrace. That man Chris is getting far to cocky.

I hope people realise that this is a Dancing competition.”

It won't be the 1st time (Darren Gough) ..or even the 2nd (Tom Chambers)
MACTOWIN
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“But Bill Turnball held a similar (and actually more prominent) post on BBC Breakfast and he didn't get to the final of Strictly.

Neither did any of the GMTV presenters.

Neither did Christine Bleakly who presents an evening show for the Beeb or Gabby Logan who presents sports shows.

So why is it suddenly an advantage for Chris?

And no one is disputing that he's the weakest dancer. But he's the strongest performer and entertainer and like it or not, those are equally important factors in this game.”

I respect the points you made it comes down to one thing I want the best Dancer to win and you want the best entertainer to win.
cymrugirl
06-12-2009
It would be a damn shame if Ricky wasn't in the final but it's a popularity contest.

Stavrosian summed exactly how I feel though over at the bbc boards:

"Message 16. Posted by Stavrosian on Saturday, 5th December 2009
My calmer response:

I accept that in a public vote people are going to vote for whomsoever they please for whatever reason they wish. Every single year, though, I can only think of things from the contestants' perspective. Ricky Whittle is apparently working 14 hour days shooting Hollyoaks at the other end of the country, then when any normal person should want to just go home and crash straight into bed, he's off to do gruelling training sessions which end past midnight (before being up at some ridiculously early hour to start work again). Trying to nail a routine and get it perfect for the weekend and our entertainment.

If you are him, and you see how unimportant it seems to be to a lot of voters that any actual effort is put into the dance...why bother? Just milk a silly catchphrase, wear it on a T-Shirt and go to bed at a reasonable hour. No need to slog your guts out in the training room trying to impress a public who clearly don't care, right?

If people start realising that, then the show will die for viewers like me who simply want to see people putting in great dances. When I look back on great strictly moments, it's all about the dances - Mark and Karen's Argentine Tango, Alesha and Matt's Cha Cha Cha, Matt and Flavia's Waltz. The rest of it is incidental. If those performances, which take talent and dedication to produce, start disappearing then Strictly is pointless."
-Sid-
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“I respect the points you made it comes down to one thing I want the best Dancer to win and you want the best entertainer to win.”

Absolutely!

Some years I find myself supporting the most talented celebrity (like Rachel Stevens), other years I find I'm attracted to the entertainer.

There's no right or wrong.

There is only difference of opinion.

Ultimately, the public will decide and who are we to argue with democracy?
ianswaiting
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by cymrugirl:
“It would be a damn shame if Ricky wasn't in the final but it's a popularity contest.

Stavrosian summed exactly how I feel though over at the bbc boards:

"Message 16. Posted by Stavrosian on Saturday, 5th December 2009
My calmer response:

I accept that in a public vote people are going to vote for whomsoever they please for whatever reason they wish. Every single year, though, I can only think of things from the contestants' perspective. Ricky Whittle is apparently working 14 hour days shooting Hollyoaks at the other end of the country, then when any normal person should want to just go home and crash straight into bed, he's off to do gruelling training sessions which end past midnight (before being up at some ridiculously early hour to start work again). Trying to nail a routine and get it perfect for the weekend and our entertainment.

If you are him, and you see how unimportant it seems to be to a lot of voters that any actual effort is put into the dance...why bother? Just milk a silly catchphrase, wear it on a T-Shirt and go to bed at a reasonable hour. No need to slog your guts out in the training room trying to impress a public who clearly don't care, right?

If people start realising that, then the show will die for viewers like me who simply want to see people putting in great dances. When I look back on great strictly moments, it's all about the dances - Mark and Karen's Argentine Tango, Alesha and Matt's Cha Cha Cha, Matt and Flavia's Waltz. The rest of it is incidental. If those performances, which take talent and dedication to produce, start disappearing then Strictly is pointless."”

I think Stavrosian expresses the point very well
DavidJames
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by cymrugirl:
“It would be a damn shame if Ricky wasn't in the final but it's a popularity contest.

Stavrosian summed exactly how I feel though over at the bbc boards:

"Message 16. Posted by Stavrosian on Saturday, 5th December 2009
My calmer response:

I accept that in a public vote people are going to vote for whomsoever they please for whatever reason they wish. Every single year, though, I can only think of things from the contestants' perspective. Ricky Whittle is apparently working 14 hour days shooting Hollyoaks at the other end of the country, then when any normal person should want to just go home and crash straight into bed, he's off to do gruelling training sessions which end past midnight (before being up at some ridiculously early hour to start work again). Trying to nail a routine and get it perfect for the weekend and our entertainment.

If you are him, and you see how unimportant it seems to be to a lot of voters that any actual effort is put into the dance...why bother? Just milk a silly catchphrase, wear it on a T-Shirt and go to bed at a reasonable hour. No need to slog your guts out in the training room trying to impress a public who clearly don't care, right?

If people start realising that, then the show will die for viewers like me who simply want to see people putting in great dances. When I look back on great strictly moments, it's all about the dances - Mark and Karen's Argentine Tango, Alesha and Matt's Cha Cha Cha, Matt and Flavia's Waltz. The rest of it is incidental. If those performances, which take talent and dedication to produce, start disappearing then Strictly is pointless."”

Man, that's a good post.

I'm almost tempted to check out the BBC boards now.
DavidJames
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Ultimately, the public will decide and who are we to argue with democracy? ”

It's not democracy.

It's mob rule.

There's a difference.
redpower
06-12-2009
I took part in a SCD event at school. It was great fun and the students enjoyed seeing their teachers make fools of themselves.

SCD is not a dance competition. It used to be, when it was on at 10.30pm on a Thursday. It is an entertainment show and I for one enjoy watching a less talented dancer do their best and succeed than watching somebody who is blessed with some skills and who just meanders through the competition.

Fact 1. Chris is not as good a dancer as Ali and Ricky
Fact 2. Ali attended stage school and already arrived at the show as a reasonable dancer.
Fact 4. Due to his job and lifestyle Ricky is more athletic than Chris.
Fact 3. The GBP love tryers.
Opinion 1. Ricky and Ali are decent enough dancers but they lack a certain je ne sais quoi

Opinion 2. Ola is balls hot. As is Ali.

Dream 1. Me, Ola and Ali engaging in more horizontal physical exercise.
Mr Giggles
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“It appears that we are not going to get the best Dancer winning this year I wont be surprised is Cola Cube wins which will be a disgrace. That man Chris is getting far to cocky.

I hope people realise that this is a Dancing competition.”

If the is no public vote in the final Chris will NOT win.

If there IS a public vote then you have yourselves to blame.
Fudd
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by cymrugirl:
“It would be a damn shame if Ricky wasn't in the final but it's a popularity contest.

Stavrosian summed exactly how I feel though over at the bbc boards:

"Message 16. Posted by Stavrosian on Saturday, 5th December 2009
My calmer response:

I accept that in a public vote people are going to vote for whomsoever they please for whatever reason they wish. Every single year, though, I can only think of things from the contestants' perspective. Ricky Whittle is apparently working 14 hour days shooting Hollyoaks at the other end of the country, then when any normal person should want to just go home and crash straight into bed, he's off to do gruelling training sessions which end past midnight (before being up at some ridiculously early hour to start work again). Trying to nail a routine and get it perfect for the weekend and our entertainment.

If you are him, and you see how unimportant it seems to be to a lot of voters that any actual effort is put into the dance...why bother? Just milk a silly catchphrase, wear it on a T-Shirt and go to bed at a reasonable hour. No need to slog your guts out in the training room trying to impress a public who clearly don't care, right?

If people start realising that, then the show will die for viewers like me who simply want to see people putting in great dances. When I look back on great strictly moments, it's all about the dances - Mark and Karen's Argentine Tango, Alesha and Matt's Cha Cha Cha, Matt and Flavia's Waltz. The rest of it is incidental. If those performances, which take talent and dedication to produce, start disappearing then Strictly is pointless."”

That's unfair by the OP - it's like saying Chris does nothing but try on T-shirts and try out catchphrases all week . It also makes it sound like Ricky's the only one who works which again, isn't the case.
Winsome
06-12-2009
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“Chris winning is like John and Edward winning the X Factor .. they were able to 'sell' their performances too .. but they were mediocre singers to say the least

It's embarrassing to see him get through over Ricky ... and if there is a 'one trick pony' in the competition, it's not Ali .. it's Chris.”

X Factor is quite different, there it is unknowns trying to earn a record deal, so the singing is fairly important. I think Jedward will do well out of it nevertheless. In SCD they are celebrities, and it is as much an entertainment show as it is a dancing competition. Popularity does count. Chris is not like John Sargaent, who couldn't dance a step. He and Ola have the best chemistry of the remaining couples, he is warm, and has a good connection with the audience. All of which makes him worthy of his place. I hope to see him in the final.
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