coming from a complete non dancer
why does it matter if your pigeon toed?
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Simply because it means he can't make appropriate posture/lines with his legs. He'll never look quite right dancing ballroom because of it.
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Simply because it means he can't make appropriate posture/lines with his legs. He'll never look quite right dancing ballroom because of it.”
“Simply because it means he can't make appropriate posture/lines with his legs. He'll never look quite right dancing ballroom because of it.”
I have never been a Ricky W supporter - but this is not a professional competition - so surely his attempts to overcome a physical disadvantage should count in his favour.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I have never been a Ricky W supporter - but this is not a professional competition - so surely his attempts to overcome a physical disadvantage should count in his favour.”
“I have never been a Ricky W supporter - but this is not a professional competition - so surely his attempts to overcome a physical disadvantage should count in his favour.”
Hi Iganzio
x x xI'm with you (not in the sense I'd like but you know what I mean!).
One of the things that's been seriously lacking this series is any noticeable improvement - either amongst the celebs that struggle or the ones that showed natural talent initially. They all seem to be at a similar level as when they began this experience.
So I applauded Ricky for making a concerted effort to correct his feet this week. It was the first sign that someone's really taken the judge's comments on board.
I thought the viewers would give him more credit for that as well. It was a shame to see him in the bottom two. And I'm not really a fan.
I thought his legs looked more obviously a problem with the cuban breaks this week. That's something he can't really change, I guess.
As for the feet, in the cha cha for instance, you need to turn the feet outwards (as in with a cuban break) and it's the placement of the foot which helps give a better line and to get the right hip action. You get much "freer" hips as it were with the feet pointing outwards. You can probably try this at home if you want to see the difference! With feet outwards, straight and inwards...
As for the feet, in the cha cha for instance, you need to turn the feet outwards (as in with a cuban break) and it's the placement of the foot which helps give a better line and to get the right hip action. You get much "freer" hips as it were with the feet pointing outwards. You can probably try this at home if you want to see the difference! With feet outwards, straight and inwards...
1. It 'looks wrong'
2. Your feet are going to be wrongly positioned for the next step e.g. it might hamper a spin
I used to think all this kind of thing was just a question of aesthetics until I started learning to dance and actually found that sometimes the 'right' shape or position is actually necessary in order for you to move onto the next step.
I don't see any point in penalising Ricky for it cos it seems to be the way he's constructed rather than laziness, and to correct it would take more time and effort than is reasonably in the scope of the programme. But there are other aspects he could reasonably improve on - someone this week (I think it was James or Craig) picked up on his free arm not doing much in the Latin, for example.
2. Your feet are going to be wrongly positioned for the next step e.g. it might hamper a spin
I used to think all this kind of thing was just a question of aesthetics until I started learning to dance and actually found that sometimes the 'right' shape or position is actually necessary in order for you to move onto the next step.
I don't see any point in penalising Ricky for it cos it seems to be the way he's constructed rather than laziness, and to correct it would take more time and effort than is reasonably in the scope of the programme. But there are other aspects he could reasonably improve on - someone this week (I think it was James or Craig) picked up on his free arm not doing much in the Latin, for example.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Hi Iganzio x x x
I'm with you (not in the sense I'd like but you know what I mean!).
One of the things that's been seriously lacking this series is any noticeable improvement - either amongst the celebs that struggle or the ones that showed natural talent initially. They all seem to be at a similar level as when they began this experience.
So I applauded Ricky for making a concerted effort to correct his feet this week. It was the first sign that someone's really taken the judge's comments on board.
I thought the viewers would give him more credit for that as well. It was a shame to see him in the bottom two. And I'm not really a fan.”
“Hi Iganzio
x x xI'm with you (not in the sense I'd like but you know what I mean!).
One of the things that's been seriously lacking this series is any noticeable improvement - either amongst the celebs that struggle or the ones that showed natural talent initially. They all seem to be at a similar level as when they began this experience.
So I applauded Ricky for making a concerted effort to correct his feet this week. It was the first sign that someone's really taken the judge's comments on board.
I thought the viewers would give him more credit for that as well. It was a shame to see him in the bottom two. And I'm not really a fan.”
Arlene was the only judge who would say, "Go to a ballet class and work on this," or "Go to a drama coach and work on that," and the contestants who took her advice nearly always improved.
The judges all give pointers about what needs to be worked on but none of them have given any practical advice about how to achieve any improvement.
This isn't an Alesha-bashing post nor is it a bring-back-Arlene post. I don't object in principle to Arlene having been replaced on the judges' panel, however, no one has stepped up to take over that role this year and I find that sorely lacking. I think that some of the contestants would have benefited very much from that kind of practical advice.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Arlene was the only judge who would say, "Go to a ballet class and work on this," or "Go to a drama coach and work on that," and the contestants who took her advice nearly always improved.
The judges all give pointers about what needs to be worked on but none of them have given any practical advice about how to achieve any improvement.
This isn't an Alesha-bashing post nor is it a bring-back-Arlene post. I don't object in principle to Arlene having been replaced on the judges' panel, however, no one has stepped up to take over that role this year and I find that sorely lacking. I think that some of the contestants would have benefited very much from that kind of practical advice.”
“Arlene was the only judge who would say, "Go to a ballet class and work on this," or "Go to a drama coach and work on that," and the contestants who took her advice nearly always improved.
The judges all give pointers about what needs to be worked on but none of them have given any practical advice about how to achieve any improvement.
This isn't an Alesha-bashing post nor is it a bring-back-Arlene post. I don't object in principle to Arlene having been replaced on the judges' panel, however, no one has stepped up to take over that role this year and I find that sorely lacking. I think that some of the contestants would have benefited very much from that kind of practical advice.”
I agree entirely.
Arlene helped Lisa (albeit not my favourite by a long stretch) transform into a pretty decent Ballroom dancer with her helpful and ongoing advice.
She had tips for everyone and they took her suggestions seriously.
I can't imagine the pros (or the celebs) have the same amount of respect for Alesha. That's not a dig at her, just the way I suspect it is.
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Arlene was the only judge who would say, "Go to a ballet class and work on this," or "Go to a drama coach and work on that," and the contestants who took her advice nearly always improved.
The judges all give pointers about what needs to be worked on but none of them have given any practical advice about how to achieve any improvement.
This isn't an Alesha-bashing post nor is it a bring-back-Arlene post. I don't object in principle to Arlene having been replaced on the judges' panel, however, no one has stepped up to take over that role this year and I find that sorely lacking. I think that some of the contestants would have benefited very much from that kind of practical advice.”
“Arlene was the only judge who would say, "Go to a ballet class and work on this," or "Go to a drama coach and work on that," and the contestants who took her advice nearly always improved.
The judges all give pointers about what needs to be worked on but none of them have given any practical advice about how to achieve any improvement.
This isn't an Alesha-bashing post nor is it a bring-back-Arlene post. I don't object in principle to Arlene having been replaced on the judges' panel, however, no one has stepped up to take over that role this year and I find that sorely lacking. I think that some of the contestants would have benefited very much from that kind of practical advice.”
I agree too.
I'm not sure the acting class was always the best suggestion... Felicity Kendall.
But Arlene was always one to pick up on how to correct posture, and use the feet correctly to work with the floor.
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“I agree too.
I'm not sure the acting class was always the best suggestion... Felicity Kendall.
But Arlene was always one to pick up on how to correct posture, and use the feet correctly to work with the floor.”
“I agree too.
I'm not sure the acting class was always the best suggestion... Felicity Kendall.
But Arlene was always one to pick up on how to correct posture, and use the feet correctly to work with the floor.”
Arlene was eloquent too and explained how a problem could be fixed.
Craig points out a lot of flaws but in the form of a shopping list of errors. He doesn't really advise on how to resolve the problems.
And then you have Len who often pretends problems don't exist in order to be the nice judge.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Arlene was eloquent too and explained how a problem could be fixed.
Craig points out a lot of flaws but in the form of a shopping list of errors. He doesn't really advise on how to resolve the problems.
And then you have Len who often pretends problems don't exist in order to be the nice judge.”
“Arlene was eloquent too and explained how a problem could be fixed.
Craig points out a lot of flaws but in the form of a shopping list of errors. He doesn't really advise on how to resolve the problems.
And then you have Len who often pretends problems don't exist in order to be the nice judge.”
Tis true, tis true. Bruno not even getting a mention... Ha! Actually looking back on some old youtubes from S2, he is weirdly constructive and calm, and not on crack.
(Sorry your Laila went out! I was a tad sad but perhaps it was time. Although I did love the contrast between Tess' "they're devastated, dev-ast-ated I tell you" and Laila's quiet, appeased acceptance (almost non-chalance) of the result. Wonderful!).
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“Tis true, tis true. Bruno not even getting a mention... Ha! Actually looking back on some old youtubes from S2, he is weirdly constructive and calm, and not on crack.
(Sorry your Laila went out! I was a tad sad but perhaps it was time. Although I did love the contrast between Tess' "they're devastated, dev-ast-ated I tell you" and Laila's quiet, appeased acceptance (almost non-chalance) of the result. Wonderful!).”
“Tis true, tis true. Bruno not even getting a mention... Ha! Actually looking back on some old youtubes from S2, he is weirdly constructive and calm, and not on crack.
(Sorry your Laila went out! I was a tad sad but perhaps it was time. Although I did love the contrast between Tess' "they're devastated, dev-ast-ated I tell you" and Laila's quiet, appeased acceptance (almost non-chalance) of the result. Wonderful!).”
Thank you Mr B
Laila was dignified to the end!
I'll miss her dearly but I agree it was her time to go.
Who are you backing?
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Thank you Mr B
Laila was dignified to the end!
I'll miss her dearly but I agree it was her time to go.
Who are you backing?”
“Thank you Mr B
Laila was dignified to the end!
I'll miss her dearly but I agree it was her time to go.
Who are you backing?”
It's Ali for me now. I like her on and off the floor, unlike Chris who I only really like off, and Ricky neither.
Still, I'm not sure she would make my top ten of all series, but best of the lot for me. I was a Jade luvva, but - you know - that dream was crushed.
Originally Posted by mr.bojangles:
“It's Ali for me now. I like her on and off the floor, unlike Chris who I only really like off, and Ricky neither.
Still, I'm not sure she would make my top ten of all series, but best of the lot for me. I was a Jade luvva, but - you know - that dream was crushed.”
“It's Ali for me now. I like her on and off the floor, unlike Chris who I only really like off, and Ricky neither.
Still, I'm not sure she would make my top ten of all series, but best of the lot for me. I was a Jade luvva, but - you know - that dream was crushed.”
Yep, I think wheover wins now will be lacking in either talent or charisma.
Jade had both and would have stormed to victory I reckon.
I'm not a dancer so I don't know if this makes a difference but I've noticed that a lot of the female celebs this year have been training in flat shoes or trainers, rather than dancing shoes. Surely that must adversely affect their posture and the position, angle and placement of their feet?
Well, I'm going to stick my neck out and to answer the OP, I think it matters a lot. I am astonished at the universal opinion that Ricky W, like him/his partner or not, is a wonderful dancer, when the persistent sickling of his feet and flexing of his knees in ballroom where it isn't called for, totally destroy his lines. It looks plain ugly. It's a postural defect that could and should be improved (and other celebs have been called for it on previous series).
Ricky's next song will be "I dunno why I love ya like 'a doo' "
(You might have to be Scottish to appreciate it
)
(You might have to be Scottish to appreciate it
)
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Yep, I think wheover wins now will be lacking in either talent or charisma.
Jade had both and would have stormed to victory I reckon.”
“Yep, I think wheover wins now will be lacking in either talent or charisma.
Jade had both and would have stormed to victory I reckon.”
I completely agree.
I want Chris & Ola to get as far as the final because I want to see their showdance but I don't actually think they should win. Had there still been a three-person final, I wouldn't even have minded if they hadn't been in the final two, as we'd still have got to see the showdance.
Jade & Ian were the front-runners for me and now I don't care who wins. I love watching Chris & Ola because of their partnership but the fact is that Chris isn't a great dancer, and I find both Ali and Ricky tediously bland.
Originally Posted by Bonnie96:
“Ricky's next song will be "I dunno why I love ya like 'a doo' "
(You might have to be Scottish to appreciate it )”
“Ricky's next song will be "I dunno why I love ya like 'a doo' "
(You might have to be Scottish to appreciate it
)”
Jes peckin'
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“when the persistent sickling of his feet and flexing of his knees in ballroom where it isn't called for, totally destroy his lines. It looks plain ugly. It's a postural defect that could and should be improved (and other celebs have been called for it on previous series).”
“when the persistent sickling of his feet and flexing of his knees in ballroom where it isn't called for, totally destroy his lines. It looks plain ugly. It's a postural defect that could and should be improved (and other celebs have been called for it on previous series).”
Yes, that's exactly what's wrong with his dancing.
It makes him look like a stork in the ballroom dances.
Doesn't he have an old injury that could cause the problem. Could explain why the judges are rather lenient, some remark on but do not penalise him for it.
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“Well, I'm going to stick my neck out and to answer the OP, I think it matters a lot. I am astonished at the universal opinion that Ricky W, like him/his partner or not, is a wonderful dancer, when the persistent sickling of his feet and flexing of his knees in ballroom where it isn't called for, totally destroy his lines. It looks plain ugly. It's a postural defect that could and should be improved (and other celebs have been called for it on previous series).”
“Well, I'm going to stick my neck out and to answer the OP, I think it matters a lot. I am astonished at the universal opinion that Ricky W, like him/his partner or not, is a wonderful dancer, when the persistent sickling of his feet and flexing of his knees in ballroom where it isn't called for, totally destroy his lines. It looks plain ugly. It's a postural defect that could and should be improved (and other celebs have been called for it on previous series).”
I agree it throws his alignment off in every dance and he can't physically achieve a perfect leg line but.........post childhood bow legs can only be corrected with surgery, it is anatomically impossible for him to correct it with exercise etc.
Same with his 'pigeon toes' - bow legs cause you to stand in-toed so again nothing he can do without surgery!
Any past celebs who've corrected- can't have had bandy legs as a cause if it was possible to change. To be honest someone should have sorted it out when he was an infant - it's so pronounced!
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