Yes it does. Laila was an unknown Asian person to him when he decided to throw a jibe at her about her race (the first terrorist remark) so he is clearly prepared to throw jibes at unknown people because of their race. Of course he is also prepared to throw jibes at Asians he knows too as witnessed by the the **** jibe. Truth is still a defense against libel.

is there??

Camilla (35) and Karen (39) both quit

Hayley (in her 20's) was the only one that was 'culled'

Whatever Anton has said to Laila does not make him "prepared to throw in a jibe at any Asians he comes across" any more than someone having once been convicted of shoplifting makes then prepared to steal from any shop they go into. You cannot extrapolate from so little information and denigrate a person's character as a result. You need a pattern of racist behaviour to different people to prove your assertion, not two comments (only one of which has been admitted to, the other remains unproven) to the same person. You also make no allowance for the fact that he might have learned from the consequences of his actions and changed.

Some say they jumped before they were pushed.

I agree that Antons latin hampers any decent celeb he's paired with but, Strictly wouldnt be the same without the 'Ballroom King'. I hope he comes back next year.

I too would be sorry to see Anton leave and I dont see a reason why he wouldnt be back next year. To see how far he got with Laila this series shows he remains one of the most popular professionals, and although sometimes over-cheesy, some of his comments are genuinely funny
"...its a career to me, love"

If someone shoplifts that may not mean that they will shoplift from every shop they go into but it does indicate that they are the sort of person who is prepared to shoplift. Which is why shops circulate lists of known shoplifters.

He damaged his own reputation by his actions just as a shoplifter damages their own reputation by having shoplifted. The person who mentions they are a shoplifter or shopkeeper who is wary of them because of it is only stating the facts or reacting to them not denigrating them. You can't denigrate a shoplifter by pointing out they are one any more than it is libel to say so.

I don't think his Latin is all bad, in fact sometimes it is quite good. He was excellent with Lesley Garrett, he isn't always given very good partners but Lesley was good. Likewise Laila was good - they did finish fourth, that ain't bad!

I agree.

Anton's Latin is good enough to be able to teach a novice and dance with them.

But his style of Latin is a bit of an acquired taste. It strike me as a little bit old fashioned. And I feel he'd look really silly if he tried to perform something hip and sexy. Anton's style of Latin worked with Lesley and Kate but didn't suit Laila as much (the Paso being the exception but that's a very specific Latin dance).

I do not deny that Anton and the fictitious shoplifter each damage their reputation by their actions. However, whilst you can say, "that person is a shoplifter" because it is factually correct, to say, "that person is prepared to steal from any shop he comes across" would be libellous, because you are making an accusation about who they currently are based on something in the past, completely ignoring possibilities such as them being sorry for what they did, or that while they shoplifted from a particular store, they would not shoplift from anywhere else. For the same reason, what you have said about Anton is libellous.

No it might be libellous if someone said they do steal from every shop they come across, or would steal from every shop they came across but to say the person has proved they are prepared to steal from a shop is just factual if they have done so in the past. If they weren't prepared to steal from a shop then they wouldn't have form of having done so. Duh! Now it would be libellous to say that someone without a history of having shoplifted was prepared to do so in future as you would have no evidence for their attitude. However past behaviour is the best indication of a person's attitude towards an action.

So the fact that Mel Gibson when drunk has come out with anti-semitic statements is an indication that he could do so in future and more relevantly also an indication that he harbours those thougts but does not voice them so explicitly. Which would be way those who don't like that attitude, or feel it might be targetted towards them might justifiably be wary of trusting him.

While of course past behaviour is an important indicator of future behaviour, there is a big difference between a one-off event and systematic behaviour. Everyone has said or done things on occasion that they are not proud of, and often because of the outcome of that situation would not repeat it.

Anton has acted in a racist in a particular situation, but unless you have evidence of him regularly being racist you could not back up a claim of him being "prepared to throw in a jibe at any Asians he comes across" in a court of law.

Your initial comment that "Anton is prepared to throw in a jibe at any Asians he comes across" was in response to someone saying there were people who throw in jibes referring to Anton's racist comment in various threads. The point you completely miss in making the comparison is that posters such as yourself have engaged in systematic behaviour by doing this, while Anton has not shown systematic racism.

I think it is time for him to go. He is really too old for the competition and tainted by his behaviour this year.

Also he really isn't able to choreograph a decent latin dance.

Anton is weak in the latin area, and I think he is ready to go now, he see's his forte in presenting now. He is after Brucie's job.

There is a difference. A better example than a shoplifter here would be a paedophile - not that I am equating the severity of the incidents - but I am comparing the likelihood of a one of incident. If a person is caught once having molested a child then it shows an underlying attitude towards sex with children as people don't slip up and suddenly molest a child unless they have had those feelings for a long while. It would be silly to assume that they have normal relations towards other children just because there is only evidence of one incident. Would you trust a one time paedophile with your kid, or would you be wary?

When their actions become public it is usually a sign of a pattern of behaviour and almost certainly of their state of being. If Mel Gibson didn't have underlying anti-semitic attitudes then it probably never have occured to him to have his outburst. Just because he doesn't say it every day doesn't mean he doesn't think that way in general.

And if Anton did not have an ongoing underlying problem with regard to how he views Asians and/or Muslims then it would never have occured to him to make such comments in the first place. It just wouldn't have occcured to anyone that it was an OK thing to say if they did not have the underlying attitude in the first place.

I think you're right here, Sid.
Anton's Latin isn't bad it's just an older style.
He does lean more towards traditional Ballroom and Latin, favouring basic routines to begin with until the celeb partner has gotten to grips with it.
The trouble with that is, each dance is performed twice at the most so if the celeb hasn't 'got' the basics, they haven't progressed to what the audience wants to see in terms of entertainment.

I've said before that what strikes me the most is Anton plays down his own contribution to the dance and instead concentrates on guiding his partner if needs be.
I think he wants his partners to learn a dance properly instead of learning a one off performance.

Washed up at his age?

Gene Kelly and the sainted Fred kept dancing into their latter days, I'm sure. He's fit. He keeps his weight down. He has muscle memory and a great dance-pedigree. Why leave the show?

His Latin is OK. I'd rather they keep their pelvic grinds for strictly bedroom-use. Zoe went out the week she was shaking her parts at us. Not nice. Not necessary, James.

Just for the sake of interest what is this older style called? I do Puerto Rican, Cuban and Columbian salsa mainly but am fairly flexible but I’ve never come across this older stilted, don’t transfer your weight, look uncomfortabe, lose your partner and get your arms confused style of salsa? Where is it taught? Is it really difficult to learn?

Hear hear!

Ask Laila.
Some people will never 'get' a discipline no matter the effort put into it. It's a shame though because she looked confident in the Ballroom until last weekend.
(She still looked gorgeous though )

She looked good even during the infamous salsa. Funny but beautiful.

However if we have to ask Laila the name of the style I presume that even Anton doesn’t know the name of this mythical style that he dances and teaches. Still that does explain why so few can appreciate his mastery of the genre. I consider myself a master of Xeboc which is a style which I invented. Nobody does it quite like me and nobody is free to criticise me because nobody understands the genius it took to create. Philistines!

You seem so blinkered as regards Anton - he doesn't teach the celeb mistakes, that's the celeb's own variation on a theme.

But Anton does not teach Latin correctly, what you call 'old fashioned' is just plain wrong and he has danced 3 of the latin dances he did out of time IMO something criminal for the professional to be doing. Whilst Gene and Fred kept dancing well into their 50's on film that really is different to doing ballroom and latin live they cant stop and have a break mid- dance. Anton must surely be reaching the age to quit and he does seem to have other things lined up to be doing

Plenty of people use the P-word not because they they have a problem with Asians, but because they genuinely believe it is just a shortening of Pakistani. I am not saying it is right to do that, but it don't make them racist either. I don't know which camp Anton falls into, but neither do you.

As for your comparison to paedophilia, even though you say you are not comparing the severity of the incidents, it is still pathetic and offensive. Paedophilia is a psychological disorder, which is why paedophiles are so prone to repeat offending. You cannot compare that to racism.

I think Antons Latin isn't as strong as his ballroom, however I was blown away by his Charleston.

I used to really like Anton, but went off him straight after the "p*ki" incident. My mind changed again after he & Laila were on ITT, he looked genuinely upset about what he had said, so I became fond of him again (yes, I'm fickle lol)

Anton is obviously a talented dancer but has a glaring weakness - Latin.

I don't think he should leave SCD, perhaps he could have some additional training on how to teach/dance Latin