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afterthoughts
09-12-2009
Is James Jordan a hypocrite relating to his stance on John Sergeant, and his subequent silence on Chris. Remember his tirade about John & Kristina on ITT. " It's a dancing show and not a popularity contest" So poor John pulled out.

Chris is the worst dancer of the last 6 stars. Should he retire, or is he going to steal the title??? Now no dance off? Is it rigged for him and Pork Chops?
Quizmike
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by afterthoughts:
“Is James Jordan a hypocrite relating to his stance on John Sergeant, and his subequent silence on Chris. Remember his tirade about John & Kristina on ITT. " It's a dancing show and not a popularity contest" So poor John pulled out.

Chris is the worst dancer of the last 6 stars. Should he retire, or is he going to steal the title??? Now no dance off? Is it rigged for him and Pork Chops?”

No. There's about six other threads saying roughly the same thing which you might not have seen which will answer your query but thanks for your input.
Fredless Ginger
09-12-2009
No

Because Chris can actually dance (albeit not with the technical precision of Ali and Brian, but he can dance nonetheless). His scores are almost double JS's. There is no comparison between the two contestants.

It might be considered hypocritical if he said nothing this year but then complained next year about a dancer of Chris's standard who wasn't dancing with Ola. But James was gracious in elimination, even without knowing how Chris would subsequently do. The more generous question would be to ask 'Has James Jordan had a rethink since last year about the dynamics of popularity vs pure skill as the factors influencing who wins Strictly?' The answer would probably be 'Yes'.

Is this just another excuse for Chris/James-bashing? Or do you honestly think there's a parallel?
Ms_Conscrewed
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by Fredless Ginger:
“No


Is this just another excuse for Chris/James-bashing? Or do you honestly think there's a parallel?”

Of course it is.

I can never think about John Sergeant being "poor" He would probabaly laugh at that statement.
taxi_driving
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by afterthoughts:
“Is James Jordan a hypocrite relating to his stance on John Sergeant, and his subequent silence on Chris. Remember his tirade about John & Kristina on ITT. " It's a dancing show and not a popularity contest" So poor John pulled out.

Chris is the worst dancer of the last 6 stars. Should he retire, or is he going to steal the title??? Now no dance off? Is it rigged for him and Pork Chops?”

Contrary to QuizMike's answer, the correct answer to your query is "yes".
katrinap
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by taxi_driving:
“Contrary to QuizMike's answer, the correct answer to your query is "yes".”

Oh no it isn't!
The_abbott
09-12-2009
THe only thing I am in a state of shock with is a jordan might win SCD. Had you asked me that 2 years ago I would have laughed it off as nonsense!!
letsdance
09-12-2009
I'm not a fan of anybody this season, but there's a world of difference between Sergeant and Chris. Sergeant's dancing was abysmal and he didn't even make an effort. Chris's dancing is definitely the weakest of the three but some of his dances are very good.
When there are three dancers, there's always going to be one that is not technically as good as the others. That's not a good reason to ask them to leave. And frankly, of all the people who left before him, I couldn't really say that they were better than Chris - overall, apart from Jade, none of the people who left was that great.
katrinap
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“THe only thing I am in a state of shock with is a jordan might win SCD. Had you asked me that 2 years ago I would have laughed it off as nonsense!!”

Just be glad it's not the Katie Price variety of Jordan. Her partner would have to strap himself to her with a seatbelt just to stay in hold
Tissy
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by letsdance:
“I'm not a fan of anybody this season, but there's a world of difference between Sergeant and Chris. Sergeant's dancing was abysmal and he didn't even make an effort. Chris's dancing is definitely the weakest of the three but some of his dances are very good.
When there are three dancers, there's always going to be one that is not technically as good as the others. That's not a good reason to ask them to leave. And frankly, of all the people who left before him, I couldn't really say that they were better than Chris - overall, apart from Jade, none of the people who left was that great.”

Didn`t go Darren Gough any harm against Colin and Zoe.
isopap
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by letsdance:
“I'm not a fan of anybody this season, but there's a world of difference between Sergeant and Chris. Sergeant's dancing was abysmal and he didn't even make an effort. Chris's dancing is definitely the weakest of the three but some of his dances are very good.
When there are three dancers, there's always going to be one that is not technically as good as the others. That's not a good reason to ask them to leave. And frankly, of all the people who left before him, I couldn't really say that they were better than Chris - overall, apart from Jade, none of the people who left was that great.”

Totally agree, Chris was much better than Laila on Saturday so on that basis deserves his place in the semi-final.
cj1234
09-12-2009
Please do not say anything nasty about James Jordan!
black_vine
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by letsdance:
“I'm not a fan of anybody this season, but there's a world of difference between Sergeant and Chris. Sergeant's dancing was abysmal and he didn't even make an effort. Chris's dancing is definitely the weakest of the three but some of his dances are very good.
When there are three dancers, there's always going to be one that is not technically as good as the others. That's not a good reason to ask them to leave. And frankly, of all the people who left before him, I couldn't really say that they were better than Chris - overall, apart from Jade, none of the people who left was that great.”


I think Ola gives him less steps than required or meets the minimum requirement sometimes - ie. Saturdays Samba-free Samba, entertaining or whatever but didn't have much content.

He has been helping and saying Chris needs to believe in himself. I don't think that he thinks Chris is the best dancer but how would it look being unsupportive of your wife. I don't think he'll be spewing sunshine & daisies if Chris wins. I won't be expecting an interview of him going, "oh he was so 'entertaining' etc. ...
Hotbunz
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by Fredless Ginger:
“No

Because Chris can actually dance (albeit not with the technical precision of Ali and Brian, but he can dance nonetheless). His scores are almost double JS's. There is no comparison between the two contestants.

It might be considered hypocritical if he said nothing this year but then complained next year about a dancer of Chris's standard who wasn't dancing with Ola. But James was gracious in elimination, even without knowing how Chris would subsequently do. The more generous question would be to ask 'Has James Jordan had a rethink since last year about the dynamics of popularity vs pure skill as the factors influencing who wins Strictly?' The answer would probably be 'Yes'.

Is this just another excuse for Chris/James-bashing? Or do you honestly think there's a parallel?”

I wouldn't call gyrating your hips or squating on the floor wiggling your arse like you're trying to get rid of a turd dancing.
Balthus
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by Hotbunz:
“I wouldn't call gyrating your hips or squating on the floor wiggling your arse like you're trying to get rid of a turd dancing.”














-Sid-
09-12-2009
I do actually think there are double standards at play here.

I supported John Sergeant and I am also backing Chris Hollins. That the latter is a better dancer is irrelevant. He's still the weakest left in the field.

Whilst this doesn't bother me in the slightest, James was adament last year that viewers should be voting for the better dancers. Only when it suits him it seems.
milmol
09-12-2009
I dont think we can say that James is being a hypocrite at all, I think that if anything, what has happened this series will have made him appreciate a bit more the value of the audience and that it is an entertainment show, which means different things to different people. The only time to judge him will be to see how he will handle a similar situation, should it arise, in the next series
Tissy
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I do actually think there are double standards at play here.

I supported John Sergeant and I am also backing Chris Hollins. That the latter is a better dancer is irrelevant. He's still the weakest left in the field.

Whilst this doesn't bother me in the slightest, James was adament last year that viewers should be voting for the better dancers. Only when it suits him it seems.”

I missed his interview last year - but I thought he was only really cross after JS pulled out of the competition ?

Didn`t he say JS was letting his supporters and Kristina down?
-Sid-
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“I missed his interview last year - but I thought he was only really cross after JS pulled out of the competition ?

Didn`t he say JS was letting his supporters and Kristina down?”

Prior to that, he lectured the audience on voting for the 'dancing' when he and Cherie initially got voted out.
willowfan
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“I missed his interview last year - but I thought he was only really cross after JS pulled out of the competition ?

Didn`t he say JS was letting his supporters and Kristina down?”

iirc he actually said both, he was pissed off that JS was being kept in above better dancers and then once the pull out happened he rounded on JS for letting down his supporters etc
ESPIONdansant
09-12-2009
I don't think he has ventured a view this series so it's hard to know if he still feels the same. He was very supportive of Ricky/Natalie in their interview.

Whatever. I somehow never see James being put to the test himself. Let's say he was partnered with a "national treasure". Dawn French? Delia Smith? Some woman who is vastly popular (shut up with the fat jokes, you fool) and would guarantee him mega-votes. Let's say he got votes at the expense of "better" dancers. Would he implore viewers not to vote for him? I wonder.

NB Best dancer and better dancer are not terms I necessarily recognise as meaningful.
HeidiB
09-12-2009
I understood that James criticised John Sergeant for leaving the show. Why should he then encourage Chris to leave?

The three couples left, are all in their own way disappointing. This has been a miserable series of Strictly.
-Sid-
09-12-2009
Originally Posted by HeidiB:
“I understood that James criticised John Sergeant for leaving the show. Why should he then encourage Chris to leave?

The three couples left, are all in their own way disappointing. This has been a miserable series of Strictly.”

That's only half the story.

He also criticised the audience for voting for John Sergeant over better dancers.

I don't see him making the same complaints this time round.
zankoku87
09-12-2009
I'm not sure if it's actual hypocrisy or if he's just reconsidered his opinion.

Of course, if he's reconsidered his opinion just because of his wife's current Strictly situation, I'm not sure that's much better. Hopefully, he'll continue the new philosophy in future series.
La_Passione
10-12-2009
I think criticising James for having an opinion is a tad harsh. He was pissed that John was getting kept in over other dancers. Just as most people were pissed off that Criag Kelly was being kept in this year.

John did let people down by withdrawing and subsequently pissed people off even more because they had voted for him.

The professional's usually favour the more talented of the dancers, for example both James and Ola said that Rachel deserved the glitter ball last year because of her dancing. But James then acknowledged that Tom was the "more entertaining"

All the pro dancers have a gimick, James' is the "argumentitive one" even though the only time he's argued properly with anyone was with Georgina in his first series because she just didn't care.
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