its a discussion forum, and discussions are usually more interesting when the discussion isn't endless posts of people just agreeing.


which of my views would you say was most bizarre?


that's like someone saying they don't think that Tom Morello is a good guitarist, because they don't like it because its so loud and screechy.

the point, in both cases, is that Joe has a good voice, even if some people don't like it, and Tom is a great guitarist even if some people don't like.

sorry if that's too bizarre for you.

Iain

Alright, but will some of them count then?

I've just found out this chart battle today!

i rarely visit thi side of DS but count in me. +1 for RATM sales

found this on f/book

worked for me!

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?to...55&topic=13001

No, all your orders from that company might get taken off the charts for corruption/multi-buying - if enough people do it then the song could be disqualified from the charts.

you must have been unlucky - we managed to avoid TXF except on a Saturday or Sunday night on ITV.

sometimes we watched other stuff, sometimes we did other things completely.

and the idea that the fact that he wasn't yet successful somehow proves he isn't talented is a total nonsense.

unless you actually think that the only talented people are those who are already successful.

Iain

How's it doing in the charts? I'm too lazy to look for myself.

I have been posting in that Facebook group all night, its been very exciting lol. I joined it when it had about 10,000 members, its really gathered a life of its own.

If it gets to number 1 or doesn't it has still proved a point.

Yes i am aware of this but your posts are filled with nothing but disagreeing with everyone and every opinion.


Heh, the telly license one is a cracker and this one is becoming quite the oddity as well


Based on who's judgement? How can you possibly think you are correct on this one?

Ok that means that i have a great voice even though i know and others know i am tone deaf?

TXF has a massive audience, and the people who like the winner's single buy one copy of it?


i doubt many bought all 4 though - most likely people bought their favourite.

any views on the recent 30 seconds to mars 'con'?

Iain

like i said, discussions simply agreeing with people usually aren't that interesting.


which view is that?


based on the fact that he sings well, consistently in tune. compared people who can't hold a note for toffee.

i've even tried to make this same point with Tom Morello to help you get it.

put it this way, if i said :

i think Tom Morello isa rubbish guitarist because he's so noisy.

i would hope you would, quite rightly, point out that whether i think he's noisy or not, he's still a brilliant guitarist. (which he undoubtedly is.)

Iain

That facebook is the future platform from anarchy? Man if only it was that easy back in the day heh. "Click a few buttons and bring an empire crumbling down, there's an app for that"

is that why these singles end up as pressies for family and friends if they buy 4 copies does only one count then?

I was just replying to someone talking about people buying multiple copies for themselves.

Iain

yes, one purchase per transaction.

way. to get around this are

buy on card and then with cash.

i think i've downloaded rage about 7 times using different accounts

Personally at the end of the day though, I think the Christmas 'number 1' really lost it's significance 20 odd years ago.

This campaign is bad for the X Factor whether Rage gets to number 1 or 2. 13 million-ish people watched X Factor and just under 1 million are in the Facebook group for RATM for no. 1, which is, btw, either 1st or 2nd currently in the charts. When you think about how widely known Factor is and how under broadcasted this attempt really is Rage has already won its battle

anyone would think millions of people who watched TXF weren't buying the single after all ....

Iain

It's a successful campaign whatever the end result, but it's been all over the news in the past week so it's not exactly a sleeper movement any more.

I'm not sure how that contradicts the original statement - it used to be that Christmas number ones were genuine artistic endeavours (the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Queen, etc.) and now they're corporate fluff. X-factor is simply the culmination of that process. Pointing out that the ten Christmas number ones prior to X-factor's emergence correspond to the precise format which I mentioned isn't much of a counter-argument. In fact, it doesn't really make any argument at all unless your only intention is to make the exceptionally limited point that Simon Cowell is but one of many marketing executives who have engaged in this process in recent years.

I'm a huge Michael Jackson fan, but apart from when his voice soars at the angry part I hate Earth Song; it's between that and Heal The World for his worst single for me. It's a shame that it ranks as his biggest-selling track here.

So why don't you "rage" against all successfull businessmen then? Because that's all Cowell is. He's just doing what everyone else did but no one complained when Spice Girls had a monopoly on the charts.

Who's winning the race?

We wont know till tomorrow.

We know that RATM is winning the download war easily, but physical sales of Joes single may well beat RATM. We live in hope.

I'm so torn on this whole thing I dunno who I'd rather win.