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Rage against the Machine for xmas no.1
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ags_rule
13-12-2009
Originally Posted by misslibertine:
“the first part of your post i've emboldened makes no sense to me, but that's not the part i take issue with so let's forget that bit atm.

the second highlighted part baffles me too - to me, this campaign has "watered down their message" for them. people who knew nothing about the band prior to this and don't want to learn any more about them will now know the song not as a rally against the government and oppression, as intended, but as a song to download blindly to try and piss off simon cowell ”

How does it make no sense? It's pretty obvious that there is a stereotypical male look that you need to be successful in the charts these days - that's why Metallica cut their hair and went clean-shaven in the 90s, because otherwise they looked too 'alternative' to the mainstream.

As for the second part of your post, you seem to be resting your whole argument on the idea that most people buying this will know nothing about RATM. I personally don't think very many people will buy the song if they don't like it - the people who don't like it will either buy the X-Factor or one of the other Xmas singles.
misslibertine
13-12-2009
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“How does it make no sense? It's pretty obvious that there is a stereotypical male look that you need to be successful in the charts these days - that's why Metallica cut their hair and went clean-shaven in the 90s, because otherwise they looked too 'alternative' to the mainstream.

As for the second part of your post, you seem to be resting your whole argument on the idea that most people buying this will know nothing about RATM. I personally don't think very many people will buy the song if they don't like it - the people who don't like it will either buy the X-Factor or one of the other Xmas singles.”

the second part was based on the people i know who have joined the group, because it makes them look cool, but intend to do nothing else about it.

it makes no sense to me because when i think of "commercial" rock bands i think foo fighters and their like. clean shaven? short hair? that's why i questioned your generalisation.
celesti
13-12-2009
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“And celesti, just because RATM are signed to a major label does not make them corporate music. If it was corporate music, they'd be clean shaven, have short hair and be singing about how wonderful the world is.”

Yeah, because we all know record labels never jump on trends. That's why all indie bands are on independent labels, right?

While they do have a strong message, this ain't it. I hope Rage would be a little embarrassed to be foisted as the alternative in what is an inconsequential chart battle nobody will remember. Their priorities have tended to be more about stuff that actually matters.
ags_rule
13-12-2009
Yup, and that's why they're giving their profits to charity!
jenilou88
13-12-2009
Why this song for Christmas no. 1? I'm not getting the relevance - did someone pick it at random?

I hate the X Factor and how it's taken over the Christmas no. 1s but I'd rather The Climb be Christmas no. 1 than RATM.
misslibertine
13-12-2009
Originally Posted by jenilou88:
“Why this song for Christmas no. 1? I'm not getting the relevance - did someone pick it at random?

I hate the X Factor and how it's taken over the Christmas no. 1s but I'd rather The Climb be Christmas no. 1 than RATM.”

i agree, i don't know who picked it either but i'd be interested to know.
elena
13-12-2009
Originally Posted by jenilou88:
“Why this song for Christmas no. 1? I'm not getting the relevance - did someone pick it at random?

I hate the X Factor and how it's taken over the Christmas no. 1s but I'd rather The Climb be Christmas no. 1 than RATM.”

The rationale is that it's a non-conformist anthem against the product of a manufactured mass-media driven television show. I get the idea. Whether it stands up to scrutiny is up in the air as far as I'm concerned.

But I've downloaded it as I want a bit of a change for Christmas number one!
whatfreshhell
13-12-2009
The guys who started the campaign is a massive RATM fan. I've just bought the single a few minutes ago. I have the song on an album, but I really like RATM and I'd rather see them top the charts than a cover of a vomit-inducing song.
misslibertine
13-12-2009
Originally Posted by whatfreshhell:
“The guys who started the campaign is a massive RATM fan. I've just bought the single a few minutes ago. I have the song on an album, but I really like RATM and I'd rather see them top the charts than a cover of a vomit-inducing song.”

well, that was a given really.
mr_scotty2hotty
14-12-2009
Joe Mcelderry for number 1!!!!!
mrmarky
14-12-2009
RAGE just went to number 1 on ITUNES !!!!!!!!!! rofl !!!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!!
Beckytigh1990
14-12-2009
Originally Posted by mrmarky:
“RAGE just went to number 1 on ITUNES !!!!!!!!!! rofl !!!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!!”

Oh dear, there are more mindless sheep than I realised.
CJClarke
14-12-2009
Originally Posted by mr_scotty2hotty:
“Joe Mcelderry for number 1!!!!!”

Get out
quinners17
14-12-2009
Is it just me, or has the group been removed?
Tfan26
14-12-2009
Joe deserves to get the No.1 fair and square
fowlyetti
14-12-2009
Originally Posted by quinners17:
“Is it just me, or has the group been removed?”

Yeah, Maybe Cowell owns facebook or the group owners been bribed. Its very fishy.
EuroChris
14-12-2009
As of 06.10 this morning, RATM is Number 1 in total downloads!!

http://www.livehits.co.uk
jcheekychappy
14-12-2009
Originally Posted by Tfan26:
“Joe deserves to get the No.1 fair and square”

how does he deserve it? He wins a talent show and releases an awful cover of a terrible song and you feel he 'deserves' to be number 1?

You should buy a dictionary and look up the meaning of deserving. I can assure you joe mcwhatever is not it.
tysonstorm
14-12-2009
Come on people get real.

We all know that Cowell has bought the top slot. RATM will no doubt be number 2 though.
jcheekychappy
14-12-2009
Originally Posted by Beckytigh1990:
“Oh dear, there are more mindless sheep than I realised.”

I'm sorry to push you from your high horse but I wouldn't refer to people who actively seek out and join a campaign as mindless sheep.

Mindless sheep are the ones who sit infront of the tv every week and believe it when cowell tells them that some pitchy, average singer is amazing.
bissona
14-12-2009
RATM No 1 for xmas? Never?:

http://www.bigtop40.com/

And the icing on the cake:

http://www.justgiving.com/ratm4xmas

What horrible, unimaginative conformists we all are!
DratVanity
14-12-2009
I really hope this gets to number one. A chance to beat Cowell!
mattshenton
14-12-2009
come on everyone get your copy today and make simon look like a muppet.
kutox
14-12-2009
Originally Posted by Beckytigh1990:
“Oh dear, there are more mindless sheep than I realised.”

sadly there will probably be more (even more mindless) sheep buying the x factor song and genuinely thinking it's good.
mattshenton
14-12-2009
Originally Posted by jcheekychappy:
“I'm sorry to push you from your high horse but I wouldn't refer to people who actively seek out and join a campaign as mindless sheep.

Mindless sheep are the ones who sit infront of the tv every week and believe it when cowell tells them that some pitchy, average singer is amazing.”

100% agree.

These xfactor fans sit there with there mobiles living in a dream land that greedy cole and the other non talented morins on that panel are the main players in the music industry and there word is final.

"download the winners song now" some of the sheep go "ok, simon says so and maybe jo will love me"


The system needs bringing down, every year this will go on until the xfactor is moved or taken off air
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