Wrong

X Factor = Popularity Competition.

And your comment about needing to able to sing to be a good dancer is complete nonsense.

I agree. Lots of people are jumping on the bullsh1t bandwagon.

Another clever poster, maybe he should come round and knock your teeth out then you may like him, is that what you want him to be like? A thug or something. that is what is wrong in society today you get slated for being a genuine nice caring person by the chavvy element that seem to have taken over our society.


Talking of wusses was it Joe who was weeping like a little girl last week??? I think not sonny jim

Apologies I meant to say you don't need to be able to sing to be a good dancer.

As for a popularity contest well that is a new one on me, maybe at boot camp they need to look for really likeable people with lots of friends who have done loads for charity and the community, who cares if they can sing or not

head cocked to one side, sickly grin = wimp

(even my 11 year old niece said so last night)

I totally agree with the OP.

What's it like to have a brat for a niece? You're doing a good job of helping raise your relative there, lol. What's next weeks plan, a tattoo?

Love your posts sinbad - spot on every time. Trevalyan I find your posts obnoxious - being gentle, caring and strong are not bad qualities - we need a lot more people like this - Joe has worked as a waiter to support himself through college as he really wanted to better himself, he had the maturity to withdraw himself from the competition couple of years ago as he realised he wasn't ready, and has the courage to get up on stage each week then deliver excellent performances - if he was wet etc he would be sat at home making stupid comments on internet forums not living his dream and making himself a lot of money hopefully

hey, i don't raise her, plus that's her own opinion. she finds him weedy and a bit wet behind the ears. so do i

I think niceness is underrated, but fair enough.

Sorry but Joe's problem is that he does not keep you glued to the set at all, I really really struggle to stay watching, even though I know I must to be entitled to a judgement.
And as for hairs on the back of the neck, Yep my hackles rise everytime he starts to sing yet another ballad, Olly did steal the show last night, he was fab.
Good vocals great dancing and I loved the almost off the cuff duet with Robbie, great natural stage presence, he is surely going to take the crown tonight, otherwise it really will be a travesty.

lots of wimpy people make it in life, doesn't detract from the fact that they are though

Of course they're going to say they're looking for a voice, cause they're trying to manipulate the audience.

For weeks before Joe became favourite they were saying they were looking for the X Factor... but now suddenly change of tactics. And people are all willing to fall for it!

There IS subliminal pursuasion going on, and people are either biased towards Joe themselves, or are just daft to ignore it.

Olly can sing, and perform... there's the difference. Joe just stands there like he's messed himself [watch George duet for perfect example]. Stacey was exactly the same. Try and get either of them to perform a 2-3hr gig and the crowd would be bored to death due to the lack of performance.

Olly could use the stage, and as Cheryl said herself, looked like a professional PERFORMER during his Superstitious number. Noone else has that said about them... The X Factor is a number of things, not just 'a voice'.

Sorry, OP....I think there was a huge bias towards Joe last night and there has been for a while now.

Last night.....he gets the pimp slot again.....makes big impact at the end and whoooompf, the phone lines open up.

Also, how many times has Joe sung last, or near the end? Quite a few.

Joe sang songs well within his comfort zone and did a duet with GM that, IMO, worked out so well (I thought it would be a disaster) - their voices harmonised better than in the other duets.

I now hear that Simon said on ITV2 last night that Olly was struggling with the Winner's Song.....that is not a good sign. Simon backing off from Olly already.

The XF is being handed to Joe on a plate, IMO.

I have no issue with Joe before I am accused by anyone of being a rampant Stacey or Olly fan. I like Joe well enough and think he'd be a worthy winner from this year's final 12.

At least you're able to see how the show is being handed to him on a plate though, regardless of who you like.

He's not only been the last to perform many weeks, but is given very comfortable songs [all very similar too]. Where as Olly has been given bad slots, and songs that noone has really heard of.

Then during press conferences Simon goes "Lets see Stacey and Joe battle it out!", and doesn't even mention his own talent. And then last week's opening video didn't even have Olly in it!

And now the judges are being told to emphasise it's a 'singing' contest, when for weeks they've gone on about someone having "The X Factor"... but seeing Joe doesn't, they've stopped saying it.

I bet your dead hard you aren't you, unfortunately more rude chavvy people make it. God help your niece if that is the family attitude

Oh I see he can sing and perform so maybe it should be Olly who is in the West End then because you need to be able to sing and perform in musicals.

To be honest I hated Joe at the beginning of the competetion because he was overdoing the falsetto, the only person I really rated was Lucie, but these last few weeks he has grown, it is not the dancing around that keeps me glued to the screen but the sheer pure emotion and sincerity in his singing.

All this is nonsense about concerts, as I have hammered home numerous times about Leona. How more interesting he she? She is also just a voice with no dancing skills.
However people like Joe and Leona would have backing dancers to do the performing at a concert whereas Olly would definitely need backing singers to cover the deficiencies in his vocal abilities.

What i don't get is all the posts saying we have been manipulated into making Joe the winner.

Are the British public really so dim that they can be manipulated into voting for who the judges want them to vote for rather than having the ability to choose for themselves who they like the best??

I'm a fan of Joe and Olly so not fussed which one wins tonight,going by the auditions i much preferred Jamie and Danyl but in my opinion neither of them managed to top thier first performances so i lost interest.

If i choose to vote for anyone it's purely because i preffered that persons performance on the night and not because Cheryl or Simon or infact anyone else told me who i should vote for.

All this talk of it being a fix is just pathetic.

You complain about people slagging off Joe yet you slag off Olly and Leona... doesn't really lend your post much credibility. You mustn't have much confidence in Joe or any confidence in what you're saying about him if you feel the need to bring down other singers to big him up.

I do agree that I don't get the conspiracy theories though. People kept saying it's clearly fixed for Joe/Stacey/Danyl... if it was so obvious that the show was biased, then surely we'd all unanimously agree on which act it's favouring?

No not 'dim'....just human. It's much easier to manipulate perception and opinion that we think.

But certainly, people will vote for who they 'like' but also.....you give a good singer a song that's wrong for them and they don't do as well? That's also manipulation.

I'm not slagging them off, I'm just giving my own honest opinion, if someone says that they just do not like the style of song that Joe sings etc then fair enough, but people are slagging him off because he is "wimp" "gay" "boring" "cheesy"
saying that the jusdges are only praising him because they are trying to fix it for him to win.
I am just one opinion, the irritating thing is the number of people jumping on these "Joe Fix" theories.

I noticed all three finalists in their initial auditions, but preferred Stacey and Joe because they had the better voices. I agree that Olly has a great stage presence and I have thoroughly enjoyed several of his performances, but there have been one or two that made me cringe and I was upset for Olly. This was also the case with Stacey a couple of times. However Joe has always delivered imo. If I'm driving along listening to a cd, I want someone who's a great singer, rather than a great performer; I'll be listening, not watching! Therefore imo Joe could be a popstar. No-one has manipulated my opinion- it's all mine!

perhaps he should grow some stubble, and scowl a bit

OR, they just have a different opinion than you.

People aren't 'crazy' just because they support the person you don't or think differently to you.

What is it with insulting other FMs today ?