has he come out then and said he is gay?
only i dont read newspapers....
only i dont read newspapers....
joe - the first gay x factor winner - let's all support him
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I'm always suspicious of the constant questioning of someones sexuality in a competition like this.
Despite the mantle of pc attitudes towards gay people that is often displayed, I suspect that some of the people who keep bashing on about it are actually desperately trying to influence people not to vote for them.
Homosexuality is not completely accepted in the country I'm afraid, and girls like to think their fantasy figures might possibly fancy them back.
There is no evidence that Joe is gay, insisting that he is, and then insisting that there is nothing wrong with being gay is disingenuous.
Of course, this may not be your intention, but it does come over this way, I'm afraid.
Despite the mantle of pc attitudes towards gay people that is often displayed, I suspect that some of the people who keep bashing on about it are actually desperately trying to influence people not to vote for them.
Homosexuality is not completely accepted in the country I'm afraid, and girls like to think their fantasy figures might possibly fancy them back.
There is no evidence that Joe is gay, insisting that he is, and then insisting that there is nothing wrong with being gay is disingenuous.
Of course, this may not be your intention, but it does come over this way, I'm afraid.
Originally Posted by Eejit:
“No. I'm not. If you want to ignore the obvious then you're welcome to, but you can't expect everyone else to.
And why do you think it's such a bad thing if he were camp or gay anyway???
”
“No. I'm not. If you want to ignore the obvious then you're welcome to, but you can't expect everyone else to.
And why do you think it's such a bad thing if he were camp or gay anyway???
”
Its not a bad thing as such, its just that I think a lot of people want fo say that he is gay when there is no evidence for it.
I cannot see anything camp in his behaviour, he is nice and pleasant that is for sure. A different thing from being camp and no evidence that he is gay at all. He does not set off my "gaydar".
Originally Posted by LoveBug.:
“Hmmm i've always believed he's gay.. and before goes into a tantrum- JUS SAYIN'”
“Hmmm i've always believed he's gay.. and before goes into a tantrum- JUS SAYIN'”
Beliefs are ok but there is no evidence for it, he is not camp or gay-acting at all.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I'm always suspicious of the constant questioning of someones sexuality in a competition like this.
Despite the mantle of pc attitudes towards gay people that is often displayed, I suspect that some of the people who keep bashing on about it are actually desperately trying to influence people not to vote for them.
Homosexuality is not completely accepted in the country I'm afraid, and girls like to think their fantasy figures might possibly fancy them back.
There is no evidence that Joe is gay, insisting that he is, and then insisting that there is nothing wrong with being gay is disingenuous.
Of course, this may not be your intention, but it does come over this way, I'm afraid.”
“I'm always suspicious of the constant questioning of someones sexuality in a competition like this.
Despite the mantle of pc attitudes towards gay people that is often displayed, I suspect that some of the people who keep bashing on about it are actually desperately trying to influence people not to vote for them.
Homosexuality is not completely accepted in the country I'm afraid, and girls like to think their fantasy figures might possibly fancy them back.
There is no evidence that Joe is gay, insisting that he is, and then insisting that there is nothing wrong with being gay is disingenuous.
Of course, this may not be your intention, but it does come over this way, I'm afraid.”
Nah - people are just interested because of the lack of role models in the public eye. Those who think this shouldn't be discussed are generally quite homophobic I think. As if referring to the possibility of someone being gay is some sort of slur.
Re your point on girls and fantasy figures, Freddie Mercury, george Michael and Will Young for example have done pretty well for themselves over the years haven't they?
What antiquated tosh some people speak
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“There is no evidence that Joe is gay, insisting that he is, and then insisting that there is nothing wrong with being gay is disingenuous.”
“There is no evidence that Joe is gay, insisting that he is, and then insisting that there is nothing wrong with being gay is disingenuous.”
Sorry, really there is nothing wrong with being gay.
I would much rather Joe won than Olly, incidently, so didn't give out that whole - 'YOU JUST SECRETLY HATE JOE' thing!
If pretending someone was straight gained them the votes of some homophobes, would that seriously make it right
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“girls like to think their fantasy figures might possibly fancy them back.”
“girls like to think their fantasy figures might possibly fancy them back.”
First inaccurate sweeping generalisation of the day. I suspect there will be more.
Originally Posted by researchshirley:
“Nah - people are just interested because of the lack of role models in the public eye. Those who think this shouldn't be discussed are generally quite homophobic I think. As if referring to the possibility of someone being gay is some sort of slur.
Re your point on girls and fantasy figures, Freddie Mercury, george Michael and Will Young for example have done pretty well for themselves over the years haven't they?
What antiquated tosh some people speak”
“Nah - people are just interested because of the lack of role models in the public eye. Those who think this shouldn't be discussed are generally quite homophobic I think. As if referring to the possibility of someone being gay is some sort of slur.
Re your point on girls and fantasy figures, Freddie Mercury, george Michael and Will Young for example have done pretty well for themselves over the years haven't they?
What antiquated tosh some people speak
”
Originally Posted by Eejit:
“
Sorry, really there is nothing wrong with being gay.
I would much rather Joe won than Olly, incidently, so didn't give out that whole - 'YOU JUST SECRETLY HATE JOE' thing!”
“
Sorry, really there is nothing wrong with being gay.
I would much rather Joe won than Olly, incidently, so didn't give out that whole - 'YOU JUST SECRETLY HATE JOE' thing!
”
It always amazes me that people think that being gay is absolutely fine and nobody cares about it now.
Things have got much better, and there has ALWAYS been tolerance of it to a greater degree in entertainment, but it is just not true to say that homosexuality is totally accepted by everybody.
It should be, but it isn't - by many, and many of them are young.
It's you that are naive I'm afraid, I wish it were antiquated tosh.
Originally Posted by Tumblin Dice:
“First inaccurate sweeping generalisation of the day. I suspect there will be more.”
“First inaccurate sweeping generalisation of the day. I suspect there will be more.”
Accurate generalisation.
But a generalisation I agree.
Oh right, so because there are still some homophobes around, gay men in pop should be kept closeted.
Wonderful way to kept prejudice alive that.
Maybe we should white up the black contestants so they don't lose the racist vote too...
(Incidentally, I don't think many of Joe's voters are voting for him because they fancy him. Or at least I hope not, given his core vote is amongst the over-50s...)
Wonderful way to kept prejudice alive that.
Maybe we should white up the black contestants so they don't lose the racist vote too...
(Incidentally, I don't think many of Joe's voters are voting for him because they fancy him. Or at least I hope not, given his core vote is amongst the over-50s...)
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“It always amazes me that people think that being gay is absolutely fine and nobody cares about it now.
Things have got much better, and there has ALWAYS been tolerance of it to a greater degree in entertainment, but it is just not true to say that homosexuality is totally accepted by everybody.
It should be, but it isn't - by many, and many of them are young.
It's you that are naive I'm afraid, I wish it were antiquated tosh.”
“It always amazes me that people think that being gay is absolutely fine and nobody cares about it now.
Things have got much better, and there has ALWAYS been tolerance of it to a greater degree in entertainment, but it is just not true to say that homosexuality is totally accepted by everybody.
It should be, but it isn't - by many, and many of them are young.
It's you that are naive I'm afraid, I wish it were antiquated tosh.”
It's precisely this kind of attitude that perpetuates homophobia. I'm not saying that you specifically are overtly homophobic but as long as people DON'T insist that homophobia is outdated and DON'T insist it's wrong then it will still be tolerated.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Accurate generalisation.
But a generalisation I agree.”
“Accurate generalisation.
But a generalisation I agree.”
Very insulting to girls and a good way to lose respect Rhumbatugger.
Could be considered to be a sexist remark.
Originally Posted by Eejit:
“Oh right, so because there are still some homophobes around, gay men in pop should be kept closeted.
Wonderful way to kept prejudice alive that.
Maybe we should white up the black contestants so they don't lose the racist vote too...
(Incidentally, I don't think many of Joe's voters are voting for him because they fancy him. Or at least I hope not, given his core vote is amongst the over-50s...)”
“Oh right, so because there are still some homophobes around, gay men in pop should be kept closeted.
Wonderful way to kept prejudice alive that.
Maybe we should white up the black contestants so they don't lose the racist vote too...
(Incidentally, I don't think many of Joe's voters are voting for him because they fancy him. Or at least I hope not, given his core vote is amongst the over-50s...)”
Certainly not.
If Joe has come out as openly gay - good for him.
If he hasn't then he is either straight or it's nobody's business.
I think attempting to OUT people, especially when they might actually be straight, is usually done by people who are on the ATTACK.
For reasons other than any sort of care about their sexuality, or them.
If he is gay he won't be the first winner on these type of shows.
What about the gay girl (Alex?) who had spikey hair and always wore dungarees ... she won was it Pop Idol?
What's she doing now?
What about the gay girl (Alex?) who had spikey hair and always wore dungarees ... she won was it Pop Idol?
What's she doing now?
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Certainly not.
If Joe has come out as openly gay - good for him.
If he hasn't then he is either straight or it's nobody's business.
I think attempting to OUT people, especially when they might actually be straight, is usually done by people who are on the ATTACK.
For reasons other than any sort of care about their sexuality, or them.”
“Certainly not.
If Joe has come out as openly gay - good for him.
If he hasn't then he is either straight or it's nobody's business.
I think attempting to OUT people, especially when they might actually be straight, is usually done by people who are on the ATTACK.
For reasons other than any sort of care about their sexuality, or them.”
There you go with your old innocent until proven guilty routine
I'm sorry but I don't care about his sexuality. If he wins this it should be because of his voice not his lifestyle.
Originally Posted by Eejit:
“Oh right, so because there are still some homophobes around, gay men in pop should be kept closeted.
Wonderful way to kept prejudice alive that.
Maybe we should white up the black contestants so they don't lose the racist vote too...
(Incidentally, I don't think many of Joe's voters are voting for him because they fancy him. Or at least I hope not, given his core vote is amongst the over-50s...)”
“Oh right, so because there are still some homophobes around, gay men in pop should be kept closeted.
Wonderful way to kept prejudice alive that.
Maybe we should white up the black contestants so they don't lose the racist vote too...
(Incidentally, I don't think many of Joe's voters are voting for him because they fancy him. Or at least I hope not, given his core vote is amongst the over-50s...)”
What , you think that if women are over 50, they are finished in the bloomer department, maybe they would be the right age group to give him a good 'sorting'.
Originally Posted by mambo79:
“I'm sorry but I don't care about his sexuality. If he wins this it should be because of his voice not his lifestyle.”
“I'm sorry but I don't care about his sexuality. If he wins this it should be because of his voice not his lifestyle.”
So being gay is a "lifestyle" now is it? Hilarious
Last edited by researchshirley : 13-12-2009 at 11:57
Originally Posted by calebolly:
“good for him.”
“good for him.”
Excuse me, but ..... what makes you think you can state his sexuality as being gay? He's not announced he's gay, so ..... how do you know he's gay? As far as Joe winning goes, yes, I'm all for that.
Originally Posted by rufusrufus:
“What , you think that if women are over 50, they are finished in the bloomer department, maybe they would be the right age group to give him a good 'sorting'.”
“What , you think that if women are over 50, they are finished in the bloomer department, maybe they would be the right age group to give him a good 'sorting'.”
Edit - I got it now
I must admit that I find older women lusting after much younger men a bit creepy. All harmless I am sure but still Euuuuugh
Originally Posted by Tumblin Dice:
“Very insulting to girls and a good way to lose respect Rhumbatugger.
Could be considered to be a sexist remark.”
“Very insulting to girls and a good way to lose respect Rhumbatugger.
Could be considered to be a sexist remark.”
Oh for goodness sake. Suggesting that young girls like credible fantasy figures is sexist? Whoo, young boys like credible fantasy figures too. Again generalisation, but broadly true.
In the context it was perfectly credible.
Beware you don't come over as completely up yer fundament.
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