Marketing department: one
Bladesufc: nil

The Marketing department go on to play slomotion in the semi-final.

pmsl go on blades you stick up for your led "cough lcd" tv

You have an LED Backlit LCD TV. No matter how you argue it, that is what you have. Without the LCD bit you would just have white light. Even Samsung admit it. Go on the link you posted, then on "what is LED?" and then to page 2. It says:

Its purely an advertising ploy (which you and many others seems to not see) and as far as I can see, it is not worth complaining due to the nature that Samsung admit its only a backlight. Samsung's website also says that laptops are LED lit so surely they should boast that and claim they have LED screens? I cannot remember seeing any advert boasting about the 'LED Screen' in a laptop

And why aren't 'normal' LCDs called CCFL TVs then?


Some people (like yourself) swear by them, whilst others do not like them (like myself) as from what I have seen when I have been looking for a new TV, on display, the backlight did not seem the same across the whole screen leaving to different/brighter looking blacks in different parts of the screen on a purely black image

that is the big complaint with the samsung "led" tv's,uneven backlight

A "proper" LED TV would use LEDs for the pixels. It's always what form the pixels are that determines what type of TV it is not any backlight (incidentally LCD doesn't even have to have a backlight though all TVs do).

Calling the Sammies LED TVs is extremely misleading and I seem to remember Samsung have already had their knuckles wrapped over this.

Already been done



Indeed they have - HERE


They do now.

anyway my LED TV is better than your LCD or Plasma tv

Reasoned argument: 0
bladesufc: 1

I almost fell for this LED backlit propoganda until I really looked into it & listened to many experts including ISF professional calibrators; Fact is that it's an LCD with LED backlights & I have nothing against that as such, infact I prefer the concept to conventional backlighting. However in it's bid to improve black levels there is so much shaddow detail lost that the picture loses depth. Also & LCD/LED can never match the natural PQ, black levels & motion handling which a good plasma can produce, it's more in your face cartoon like due to all the proccessing going off. Until you have seen a good plasma in a home (not store) situation you simply do not know what you are missing & could have bought with the amount of cash you have spent on an LCD with LED backlights.
Sure if you are happy with your purchase that's great but please do not try & tell people how it is better than LCD/Plasma as it could not be further from the truth.

and same for you, dont go telling me how good a plasma is when i know a LED tv is sooo much better, wins hands down

Ok, my last word on the subject as obviously some people simply can't be educated When an LCD or LCD/LED backlit can gain THX Accreditation you might have grounds to talk.

I think that sums up the argument quite well. From what I have seen of them, I think the Samsungs have a good picture, just not anything that stands far out from decent CCFL lit LCD crowd.

But as has been said, plasma is the way to go if you want a 42" or bigger screen (Panasonic may do a 37" but im not sure), but plasma is not by any means perfect.

If you are concerned about energy use, the Samsung LED lit LCDs may be better on that front

Agreed, I don't think any TV is perfect, however after months of research & Demo's I think the V10 is as close to perfect as you can get. In all honesty I'm not biased either way LCD/Plasama, I simply wanted the best PQ I could find.
Although for me energy usage was not an issue, yes plasmas geenrally use more juice, however when well calibrated they are very close to a normal LCD as the energy figures quoted are not based on average viewing but on full white or full black where LCD are constant.

I also considered a Kuro 5090 & Sony Z5500 but frankly prefered the overall PQ of the V10, whilst the Kuro had slightly better blacks, it lost shaddow detail revealed by the Panny.

Except LCD isn't constant, recent sets (last few years) achieve high contrast ratios by dimming the backlighting as required.

i've found out that a man with a Plasma can not be reasoned with, i hope you enjoy your burnout on your tv were as i watch near picture perfect quality day in day out

At 6hrs per day, 7 days per week, 52 weeks per year my Z800 will last for 45 years and still be running at 50 of its orginal brightness. Bearing in mind I have the brightness turned down to about 70% anyway I would say that I am well covered for any fade. as opposed to your leds failing one by one or when they fade over a period of time.

" The theoretical lifespan is up to 1,000,000 hours................ The light produced from LED Light Bulbs is not competitive for all uses. For instance, it can subtly change the appearance of items lit by the lights, and so isn’t suitable for painters or photographers. The wide variety of choices available, when compared with incandescent lights, simply isn’t there yet for LED Light Bulbs. Also, without limited standardization, some worry that parts may be difficult to obtain as systems get older, and might thus need to be entirely replaced. LED light bulbs focus light into a smaller area than other lights of comparable lumen ratings.

In terms of lifespan, LED Light Bulbs are expected to last from 100,000 hours.
." sourced from http://www.my-led-light-bulbs.com/

Now I kow that in 5-6 years well within the lifespan of either CCFL, LED & PDP I will change my TV, had better picture than the LED backlit set and still have change from buying a second TV to have yet covered the cost of an LED LCD!
Enjoy.

When you write things like this it just emphasises your total lack of knowledge

Until very recently, a "cheap" LCD was more expensive than a "cheap" CRT - not sure how many dirt cheap LCDs there were around two+ years ago for you to make a fair comparison.

Cheers,
David.

A true LED TV can be found here: http://www.johnlewis.com/230725482/Product.aspx
I would not call it a home cinema experience (unless you sit very close)

'Cheap' LCD's have been about for far longer than that, but obviously 'cheap' is in comparison to decent quality LCD's, not obselete junk supermarket CRT's.

My LG LCD tv has packed up after under 4 years of use, due to the backlight.
Now I looked into the pros and cons over plasma and lcd and to be honest thought I would try a different approach and am going to rent instead, and this will be my first plasma too, a panasonic 46" model.
I know some might say its dead money renting, but the same can be said about buying a car on credit, after 3 years you can trade up to the new model..... same idea here after 18 months I can change this one over to whatevers new and have full cover for breakdown and repairs too.
Just an idea.

Yep + I have seen comments on the net that OLED colour seems very saturated. The cost is a big factor and worry- I cant see OLED being dominant for another 5-10 years.
+ whats the viewing angle, black and shadow detail and MOTION like?