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#301 |
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ITV should certainly think about using The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent much more wisely. They're valuable lead-ins that aren't being exploited. I think putting Doc Martin after TXF this year was a waste - it's not a show that needed that lead-in.
Similarly moving I'm a Celeb to 8pm would provide a lead in to the 9pm hour which could be maximised - doesn't even have to be every day, just to launch a couple of new shows (like C4 have done with BB, which was a hugely successful strategy when people actually watched BB!). Saturday night is out of the question IMO after The X Factor - drama has never really worked well for ITV there, and it goes against the whole idea of trying to make Saturdays a bit different. Sunday though is a definate giving a leg-up to a new drama rather than existing. As for Christmas Day - wouldn't work for ITV, but could for BBC. Watching the Glee sneak peak on E4 last night I was thinking that sort of strategy would work really well with a premiere on Christmas Day - but it's got to be the right programme. |
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ITV should consider moving the BGT lives shows to 7-9pm, with new dramas at 9pm and soaps ditched for a week. Of course wouldn't happen - precious bloody soaps, and I doubt ITV will have five new dramas all year, never mind in the Spring.
Similarly moving I'm a Celeb to 8pm would provide a lead in to the 9pm hour which could be maximised - doesn't even have to be every day, just to launch a couple of new shows (like C4 have done with BB, which was a hugely successful strategy when people actually watched BB!). Saturday night is out of the question IMO after The X Factor - drama has never really worked well for ITV there, and it goes against the whole idea of trying to make Saturdays a bit different. Sunday though is a definate giving a leg-up to a new drama rather than existing. As for Christmas Day - wouldn't work for ITV, but could for BBC. Watching the Glee sneak peak on E4 last night I was thinking that sort of strategy would work really well with a premiere on Christmas Day - but it's got to be the right programme. The best thing ITV did this year was to route TXF is the key 8pm slot for almost all its run. |
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Glee is pretty much everything Britannia High isn't. Singers in a high school - I think that's where the comparison ends. Glee would work brilliantly if it were promoted well - Fox promoted it brilliantly in the US because they showed off how fantastic the script was with the clips they used. When I saw the promo for BH I knew it'd be awful - when I saw the promo for Glee I was already in love with the show.
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- Britannia High wouldn't have got good figures anyway as it was very, very isolated in the Sunday evening schedule.
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- Downton Abbey would be wasted after X Factor. It probably needs a Corrie or Heartbeat type lead-in. X Factor would be best for Married, Single, Other - if they think that's the kind of drama they really want to pitch for.
In the case of Downton Abbey, I think a Corrie lead in would be as effective as X Factor but Sunday really is the sort of day which DA will be on. Mondays are reserved for crime drama, Thursday's the Bill and Friday's not a good day. So a Corrie lead-in is pretty much out of question unless ITV moves Corrie back to Sundays which is unlikely to happen.I agree that Married, Single, Other would be a good choice as the post-X Factor drama, but it seems that ITV are going to air it this Spring. |
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Even with brilliant promotion, good clips, etc. I don't think a show like Glee would have mainstream success on ITV. The only way I reckon it would get good ratings would be by being on after X Factor/BGT. Otherwise, I think it'd get around 4m which probably isn't good enough.
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Now that DS has closed the previous Ratings Thread, this won't automatically link. The below refers to a discussion about ITV2's Sunday share on Sunday 6th December: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...postcount=3984 Quote:
When I went on Channel 4 Sales yesterday, I was slightly surprised to see ITV2's Sunday share. Thinking it was a typo, I ignored it (as you do...). Can anyone clarify whether this is a typo or not: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...postcount=3986ITV1 - 17.3% BBC1 - 17.2% BBC2 - 8.0% Channel 4 - 5.5% (inc +1) Five - 5.2% ITV2 - 4.8% (inc +1) The ITV2 share looks extremely high... can't be right, surely? Quote:
Why not? It had a strong line up Looking at BARB today:11:10am ET the Extra-Terrestrial 1:35pm Kindergarten Cop 3:40pm Totally You've Been Fram ed! 4:45pm Harry Hill's The Best of TV Burp 5:10pm Charlie and the Chocolate Factory 7:30pm Grimefighters 8:00pm Grimefighters 8:30pm The Xtra Factor 9:30pm Dannii Minogue Uncut: Piers Morgan's Life Stories 11:00pm The X Factor 16:49 - Harry Hill's The Best of TV Burp: 0.679m 17:17 - FILM: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory: 1.073m 18:03 - FILM: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory: 1.713m 20:29 - The Xtra Factor: 2.018m 21:34 - Dannii Minogue Uncut: Piers Morgan's Life Stories: 0.695m Some very good figures there - I suspect the rest of the day (with the exception of Grimefighters) had about ~400,000. |
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If I ruled the ITV world, a couple of ideas I'd include:
1 Have a consistent schedule for each "season" (moving stuff around always causes problems for shows). 2 Recommission new programmes that receive some critical acclaim, even if they don't set the ratings world alight straight away. And make sure that the catchup services work and aren't annoying! (e.g. for the first couple of episodes of a new programme, don't show any ads on the catchup service). They could also use narrative repeats to help people "catch on" to something new they may have missed when first broadcast (I know this is going back a while, but the first ever DoctorWho episode was shown on consecutive weeks because "world events" meant many people missed it at first!). K |
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Wild at Heart starts Sunday 10th January at 20:30 on ITV1.
Presumably the meat in the DoI sandwich. |
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I wonder if even this will boost The Bill's ratings tomorrow to > 4m!
![]() I doubt it will boost Thursday night's TV much. It will more likely have an effect on Friday with several inches of snow likely to have accumulated in parts and the snow continuing to fall in parts of Kent, coupled with bitterly cold temperatures. --- Dan Christmas Ratings Predictions Snow Watch 2009/10 |
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You mean one show that gets 19 million for 5 minutes is more impressive than the whole of BBC1's Christmas Day viewing?
Soap,Drama,Film,Music,Comedy,reality show. ITV's 'BIG WEEKEND' had all the same shows Reality/Entertainment shows all had something todo with The X Factor/Simon cowell even the comedy awards had to mention the XF. It was obvious XF would do well as yet again Simon cowell continues the same rubbish'Ill drop XF from ITV ect' and gets the front page of all the papers. BBC xmas will do well on merit i think where as the big weekend was the usual Cowell pr |
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Just a quick question. Is is cheaper to make a drama in the UK (and build sets) or to fly British actors out the USA and build sets there (no one would see any difference)?
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At Least with BBC1 at xmas there's something for everyone.
Soap,Drama,Film,Music,Comedy,reality show. ITV's 'BIG WEEKEND' had all the same shows Reality/Entertainment shows all had something todo with The X Factor/Simon cowell even the comedy awards had to mention the XF. It was obvious XF would do well as yet again Simon cowell continues the same rubbish'Ill drop XF from ITV ect' and gets the front page of all the papers. BBC xmas will do well on merit i think where as the big weekend was the usual Cowell pr |
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Yeah everyone just watched because Cowell told them to.
The way i see it is if you don't like reality shows then sat/sun night on ITV were a total turn-off whereas BBC's xmas it has something for everyone. ITV had so many trailers 'Who are you backing' throughout most of their shows on a sat and sun so people that don't normally watch might have wanted to see the final. |
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NO it's Just been everywhere.Heart radio had ads every 10mins most of last week,Plus the adverts on ITV and the front page on most of the papers thats why it got a good rating
The way i see it is if you don't like reality shows then sat/sun night on ITV were a total turn-off whereas BBC's xmas it has something for everyone. ITV had so many trailers 'Who are you backing' throughout most of their shows on a sat and sun so people that don't normally watch might have wanted to see the final. Lots of people watched it because lots of people wanted to watch it? |
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At Least with BBC1 at xmas there's something for everyone.
Soap,Drama,Film,Music,Comedy,reality show. ITV's 'BIG WEEKEND' had all the same shows Reality/Entertainment shows all had something todo with The X Factor/Simon cowell even the comedy awards had to mention the XF. It was obvious XF would do well as yet again Simon cowell continues the same rubbish'Ill drop XF from ITV ect' and gets the front page of all the papers. BBC xmas will do well on merit i think where as the big weekend was the usual Cowell pr |
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What's your point?
Lots of people watched it because lots of people wanted to watch it? We had this convo at work too A few people had said they watched the final on Sunday just to see what the big fuss was about. |
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my point is with it being all over the papers,radio,Tv ect people that dont normally watch might have just to see what the fuss is about.
We had this convo at work too A few people had said they watched the final on Sunday just to see what the big fuss was about. |
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NO it's Just been everywhere.Heart radio had ads every 10mins most of last week,Plus the adverts on ITV and the front page on most of the papers thats why it got a good rating
The way i see it is if you don't like reality shows then sat/sun night on ITV were a total turn-off whereas BBC's xmas it has something for everyone. ITV had so many trailers 'Who are you backing' throughout most of their shows on a sat and sun so people that don't normally watch might have wanted to see the final. The fact it got 10m stands as no lesser achievement though and its certainly not to see that it didnt get it on merit. |
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Its not one month since the BBC devoted a 7 hour slot of programming to an all singing, all dancing telethon.
The fact it got 10m stands as no lesser achievement though and its certainly not to see that it didnt get it on merit. CIN has been going for 30 years and its 7 hours for charity. Id like to see XF or any other reality show reach 30. BB for example ratings were high and it's now been axed as figures has got so poor People will get bored sometime |
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Doesnt that just prove that all the advertising and promotion was worth it if people were tuning in just to see what the fuss was about.
Im not a big XF fan tbh i can't stand the show but my family like it and enjoy it but even they said what rubbish and that it was predictable. I know there are people that were happy with it and people that hated who won. Looking at this years download only sales so far Joe has managed 77,000 copies(Up untill yesterday) yet the last 2 winners had both sold over 100,000 downloads in the same amount of time so that says to me some people were not happy with the winner |
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Yea but then how many people liked what they saw?
Im not a big XF fan tbh i can't stand the show but my family like it and enjoy it but even they said what rubbish and that it was predictable. I know there are people that were happy with it and people that hated who won. Looking at this years download only sales so far Joe has managed 77,000 copies(Up untill yesterday) yet the last 2 winners had both sold over 100,000 downloads in the same amount of time so that says to me some people were not happy with the winner |
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Yea but then how many people liked what they saw?
Im not a big XF fan tbh i can't stand the show but my family like it and enjoy it but even they said what rubbish and that it was predictable. I know there are people that were happy with it and people that hated who won. Looking at this years download only sales so far Joe has managed 77,000 copies(Up untill yesterday) yet the last 2 winners had both sold over 100,000 downloads in the same amount of time so that says to me some people were not happy with the winner Personally, I thought it was a brilliant final. You didnt even have to buy in to the whole X Factor chebang to enjoy it. There were elements to it such as Sir Paul McCartney's performance that any Tom, Dick or Harry could have engaged with. |
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The Jedward 'appearance check' appears to be heading to the recording of the Ant and Dec Christmas Show tonight: http://twitter.com/planetjedward
Followed by Graham Norton on 31st December and then a famous house on 3rd January. I'll be interested to see CBB's launch ratings IF they go in... |
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Looking at BARB figures for week ending 6th December some interesting m/c figures. Spooks first look got 0.72m and its early morning repeat got 0.7m on BBC3. Life got 0.7m for BBC4 on Tuesday. Xtra Factor got over 2m on Sunday and Lewis managed between 0.79 and 1.02m viewers for ITV3 between Monday and Friday.
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The programming on BBC this Christmas is superb. As you say there is such a range of shows and genres that there is something for everyone. I wouldnt blame ITV for making last weekend just an X Factor weekend as they are simply giving viewers what they want. But, when people say that one show is better than all of the BBC shows this Christmas then that is stupid.
Somebody said Christmas Day's ratings on BBC One were more impressive than The X Factor's finale audience. I disagree. It's a difference of opinion. It's not reflective of the quality of the schedule. |
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TBH I think BBC1 Christmas Day and ITV1 The Big Weekend were impressive for different reason.
BBC1 draw up a schedule each year which draws in the family viewer. OK, I say that they could air the testcard and still get viewers - but if I'm honest they place together a schedule which compliments brilliantly. ITV1 air Emmerdale, Coronation Street and, in past years, the likes of Doc Martin, Dancing on Ice and Midsomer Murders. On any other night that'd do brilliantly against BBC1, but because BBC1 get to combine the weekday and weekend schedules they mould something together to suit everyone. ITV1's Big Weekend benefited from a superb marketing campaign, and again complimentary programme. By using Cheryl Cole and Susan Boyle alongside the regular Harry Hill hour they knew the audience would be there and utilised the fact to pull in good figures. So for me, both impressive, both through simple yet affective scheduling. Why the hell they can't do it for the other 363/364 days of the year... |
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