They are only doing it for the remainder of the week. Same with the I'm a Celebrity Trial shows.

They always do it with X Factor and IAC, so that's fair enough, but they normally bring out the previous year's best and worst again in the run-up to a new series, and it looks like that's what they're doing with BGT, which I find desperate. It's like them running IAC's best bits in July.

They lost the loyal fanbase last series with bad decision after bad decision, but although too little, too late, the signs that some effort is being put into this series has been received quite well on the forums amongst those who couldn't stomach BB10. A few weeks back I had little intention of watching - now I'm quite looking forward to it.

I don't think it'll get above 3m, but I think there should be improvement on the summer. Unlike previous Celeb BB's though, this series will mainly go out at 10pm.


Back to Casualty - having no fixed slot in the schedule doesn't help - it can be on 8.10pm one week, 9.25pm the next, Sunday the next. Also why they call them series I don't know when they only have about a week off in between them, and usually open and close with a two-parter anyway.

Before ITV had shifted their soaps I'd have moved it to Friday at 8pm (with EE moving to Thursday 8.30pm), but ITV's new schedule makes such a move unlikely.

Scheduling is key though - as Casualty still is technically a series which seems to roll into one from the other, and regularly moves about the Saturday night schedule and has extra episodes on Sunday, it can feel like overkill - but Holby City, which has more episodes, has earned it's place in the schedule by having a fixed weekly slot.

Doesn't help too that though events like Eurovision and the World Cup are in the schedules months before hand, the BBC will likely still commission episodes for those weeks and move them about the schedule, rather than doing the sensible thing and dropping the show for the duration.


Talking of the World Cup - and Emmerdale. With games kicking off at 7.30pm rather than 7.45pm, Emmerdale (along with Corrie) will have to be dropped on nights when ITV show football. Now of course they can't take the sensible option and rest the soaps for three weeks (they'd be riots in the streets!), so I guess it'll play out on nights when the BBC have the Evening games - rather than at 10pm which was an absolute disaster last time.

The afternoon games are 3pm rather than 5pm too, so well clear of the news hour and 7pm slot.


If not rested completely though, I would like to see episodes of the soaps dropped rather than rescheduled over the period - that would be the best balancing act IMO, and means that other shows aren't pushed aside to accommodate rescheduled soaps too.

boom tish! yes lets not discuss anything serious on the ratings thread. lets just post unsupported personal opinions and fantasy schedules


Nonsense. Total viewership figures are lower than a normal week. Wasnt Boxing night 9pm around 22m versus 24-25m on a typical Saturday night? So people are not watching tv at all - presumably because the BBC "the UK's Christmas channel" has dropped the ball ad lost touch with the public.

Monday 28th December 2009
BBC One
12:50 - BBC News: 2.6m (26.3%)
13:00 - Regional News and Weather: 2.8m (27.6%)
13:05 - FILM: The Princess Diaries: 2m (18.7%)
14:55 - FILM: 101 Dalmations: 2.9m (22.7%)
16:30 - Final Score: 2.3m (14.2%)
17:30 - Weakest Link: Doctor Who Special: 4.3m (22.7%)
18:20 - BBC News: 7.1m (33.5%)
18:45 - Regional News and Weather: 7.1m (32.6%)
19:00 - Wallace and Gromit: A Matter of Loaf and Death: 5.4m (24.0%)
19:30 - Big Top: 2.5m (10.5%)
20:00 - EastEnders: 9.6m (39.2%)
20:30 - Celebrity Mastermind: 3.5m (14.0%)
21:00 - The Day of the Triffids: 6.1m (26.9%)
22:30 - BBC News: 4.7m (25.5%)
22:45 - Regional News and Weather: 4.7m (26.6%)
22:50 - Match of the Day: 2.9m (23.1%)

BBC Two
17:00 - Flog It!: 1.8m (10.6%)
17:30 - Escape to the Country: 1.8m (9.7%)
19:45 - Top Gear: 2.4m (9.9%)
21:00 - Not Again: Not the Nine O'Clock News: 2.6m (11.6%)
22:30 - Not the Nine O'Clock News: 2.0m (11.3%)

ITV1
16:20 - FILM: Pride and Prejudice: 2.4m (13.7%)
18:30 - Regional News and Weather: 3.3m (15.3%)
18:45 - ITV News and Weather: 3.9m (17.7%)
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.5m (28.9%)
19:30 - Coronation Street: 9.2m (39.6%)
20:00 - Countryfile: 3.7m (15.3%)
20:30 - Coronation Street: 8.8m (35.1%)
21:00 - An Englishman In New York: 2.2m (9.7%)

Channel 4 - everything under 1.8m except
16:10 - Deal or No Deal: Scrooge or Santa: 2.0m (13.0%)

Five
17:35 - Knight Rider: 0.8m (4%)
18:30 - Heads or Tails: 0.5m (2%)

Very good day for BBC One.. well, apart from Big Top.

no the schedule will run

6pm local news
6.30pm ITV news
6.45pm Emmerdale
7.15pm World cup match
10pm News at ten

although they could squeeze in a show at 9.30pm if they really wanted but I doubt they will...

Wouldn't 40 mins of post match analysis be too much!? In World Cup 2006, ITV ended coverage at 10pm for 8pm kick-offs giving the games little post match analysis. I reckon they'll end the coverage at 9:30pm (apart from special occasions), and slot something in for half an hour before the news.

The BBC did very well over Christmas, it's true they were competing against nobody but that's hardly relevant!

Do we discount the result of a one-horse race? Do we mock Manchester United when they are victorious over Accrington Stanley in the FA Cup?

No sir. Credit where credit's due. The BBC ran a storming race and thrashed the one-legged Rainman ITV efforts. Go BBC!

It's always good to come across an independent mind.

EastEnders the highest rated show of the day again.

Surprised that The Greatest Songs of the Noughties got under 1.8m. I was expecting at least 2m for it.

Again another poster that cant see beyond ITV.

Interestingly you contradict youself.
but yet you say
If its not relevant, why mention it?

Maybe there are two people posting using one user id and fighting to gain control of the keyboard?

The success or failure of their objectives can only be determined versus the expectation of what they should have achieved. Everything else is just waffle.

A Fantasy Football style show for that half hour wouldn't be a bad idea, but it'll inevitably be the displaced soaps, probably starting at 9.45pm, with the news pushed back to 10.15pm.

When is the BBC/ITV usually announced?

The Day of the Triffids - Breakdown
21:00 - 6.0m (25.8%)
21:15 - 6.3m (26.9%)
21:30 - 6.2m (26.7%)
21:45 - 6.0m (26.5%)
22:00 - 6.2m (27.9%)
22:15 - 5.9m (27.6%)

An Englishman in New York - Breakdown
21:00 - 3.1m (13.3%)
21:15 - 2.4m (10.2%)
21:30 - 2.2m (9.6%)
21:45 - 2.0m (8.8%)
22:00 - 1.8m (8.2%)
22:15 - 1.7m (8.0%)

If it wasn't for the first quarter hour, An Englishman in New York would have probably been sub 2m, slipped throughout.

From 22:45 to at least 23:45, ITV was bottom of the terrestrials:

22:45 - 0.7m (4.0%)
23:00 - 0.5m (3.6%)
23:15 - 0.3m (2.7%)
23:30 - 0.3m (2.6%)

Some more bits:

ITV1
22:30 - ITV News and Weather: 1.5m (8.1%)
22:45 - The South Bank Show: 0.45m (3.2%)

Channel 4
21:00 - The Greatest Songs of The Noughties: 1.1m (4.9%)

Five
21:00 - CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: 1.2m (5.1%)
22:00 - CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: 1.0m (5.1%)

I have to admit, given how Englishman performed, I have zero hope for good ratings for The Bill tonight, or Sleep With Me on Thursday. Piers will probably do OK on Wednesday, though.

The BBCs "...Triffids" thrashed ITVs crowd-pleasing "Englishman in New York"

Over 6million is amazing, it's true that in a country with a population of 60-odd million with nothing better to do on a monday night than grout their tiles you would expect higher but I disagree. Tiles are highly interesting things.

Some would say 12million for "...Triffids" would be more like it but we mustn't forget that remakes/reimagining rarely have anything new to say and are usually just a pathetic ratings-grabbing exercise trading on the familiar.

The axing of The South Bank Show looks sensible then, if it was 5th out of 5.

I can't believe An Englishman in New York did so bad. I loved it. It was a brilliant drama, and it wasn't a crime drama.

Hopefully the official figures will be better, but they won't improve it much. Such a shame.

Well, I don't blame ITV if they put even more soaps and reality in the schedule if they keep getting figures like that for good drama.

Great day for BBC1 throughout, oh apart from that little blip at 7.30pm

Triffids much higher than I thought and decent for the afternoon films.

Watching An Englishman In New York on ITV Player at the moment, I'm extremely surprised ITV even comissioned this. It's very good, but as others have mentioned it hasn't a wide appeal at all-didn't really realise this until I watched it. It really does have a very 'Channel 4' feel to it.

Also very poor finish for SBS, and I can't see things getting much better for ITV this week. The Bill has tougher competition from BBC1, Piers Morgan always has a maximum audience of around 4.5m for any of his shows, but I guess anything over 3m is decent for the cheap 'Review Of The Year'. Surprised Sleep With Me has been put on NYE-what a waste. Even if it's not that good, it must be expensive and would do a lot better in any other slot. It'll get 3.5m max and will match what any repeat could get. Then on Friday Marple seems to have a max audience of around 5m nowadays. Then the weekend isn't much better with a fairly weak Sat & Sun schedule.

Going by the '7pm to 11pm' primetime shares:

BBC1 - 24.1%
ITV1 - 19.3%

The soaps mean that ITV's share isn't totally disastrous.

The predictions on this thread about An Englishman in New York turned out to be absolutely correct, then. As George said yesterday, it was more of an awards effort than anything else.

Triffids did very nicely on BBC One. Wasn't sure how it was going to go down but it held a fairly steady audience. Though you always seem to get that decline over the last half hour of a 90 minute drama. Tonights should hold above 5m which would make it a pretty successful two-parter for the beeb.

Very healthy numbers for EastEnders, and I think it was pretty good for the other soaps too. Wallace and Gromit is just a national treasure and I'll never tire of watching those short films. Looks like my view is shared by a good number of the Great British public.

If AEINY had been made by the BBC, it would probably have been on BBC4, especially as biopics are their drama of choice.

We have to commend ITV for commissioning a drama of that ilk, but it was clearly never going to have the same impact as The Naked Civil Servant did back in 1975.

Good ratings for Triffids, but I wonder how many will be back tonight. Quite a few negative comments on the DS thread.

Eastenders ratings last night show how poorly the Boxing Day episode, but if the BBC won't promote their programmes properly....

Do the ratings for ITV1 at 9pm take into account STV's programming: The Search for Sherlock Holmes at 9, and Moviejuice Special at 10?

Such a shame The South Bank Show went out on such a low - did it do that badly on Sundays?

Also I think C4 would have been expecting more for their two "greatest" programmes. Nothing spectacular, but a solid 2m.

Also noticed last night on the Top 20 Celeb BB moments (how did that do on E4?) they put up a caption saying CBB6 was the most watched C4 show of the year with 6.5m. Now, as we know most shows were sub-3m (how they'd have loved that in BB10, rather than sub-2m), I'm assuming that was the launch show.


Obviously things are different with ITV, but it would be nice to see them using ITV2 and ITV3 a bit more to test things out which wouldn't initially find an audience on ITV1. The only show I can think of to have been "promoted" as such is Ladies of Letters.

And similarly they should have used ITV3 to give The Naked Civil Servant an airing over Christmas before ITV1 aired An English Gentleman in New York.

An interesting article today about GMTV - an interview with Peter McHugh, the outgoing director of programmes for GMTV. While it is a bit self serving & self justifying its an interesting read none the less

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009...er-mchugh-gmtv

A few quotes that are relevant to schedules & ratings



Some hints about schedule changes ITV might make:

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Wasnt it a Thames production? Not sure if ITV would have automatic rights to rebroadcast it?

I was just considering the lacklusture New Year's night line-up on BBC One and I think BBC One are missing a trick by not launching a new drama on that night.

Does anyone else remember the new crime drama Sherlock, with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman being commissioned? BBC One commissioned a one-off, sixty minutes pilot in December 2008. Since then, 3 x 90 minute episodes have been commissioned.

With a relatively captive audience over the festive period (Jonathan Creek got almost 10m last New Year's night), could BBC One not have seized the opprotunity to launch a new drama off the back of Gavin & Stacey's last episode, which will probably get about 8-9m.

They could have gone for something like this:

6:40pm Doctor Who
7:55pm Eastenders
8:30pm Celebrity Mastermind
9:00pm Gavin & Stacey
9:30pm Sherlock
10:30pm BBC News

It's kinda like the way Fox launched Glee after the American Idol final (corrrect?) and then said it would return later in the year. Surely BBC One could be putting that post-Gavin & Stacey slot to better use than airing another QI & Live At The Apollo.