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Old 18-12-2009, 12:06
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Ooh the gap is closing now. Rage are only about 9000 copies in front (yesterday they were 65000 ahead)

I'm pretty certain Joe will get to #1 on Sunday
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Old 18-12-2009, 12:15
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i've answered that several times now.

there's no reason to think that, in the main, people buying TXF single are buying it because they like it.

but there's every reason to think that a lot of people are buying the RATM track, not because they necessarily like it, but with the ulterior motive of stopping TXF from being number one.

imagine there was no XF, and there was a campaign to get RATM to number 1 for xmas - do you think it would be selling as well as it has been?

i'm guessing it wouldn't be.

Iain
Of course it wouldn't be, the only reason it's selling so well is because of X-Factor.

But if X-Factor didn't exist there would still be the proper chase for number one at Christmas so there wouldn't be a need for campaigns such as the RATM one.

Buying the X-Factor song (and I think many people do) because you love the series as opposed to the actual song is another reason for purchasing. I don't think that's an invalid reason for buying it by the way.

In addition, the buying of Killing In The Name of is a protest at X-Factor's dominance of the Christmas singles market. If people are buying it (and I know they are and have never said anything different) to try and stop this monopoly rather than because they like the song then again I think it's still a valid reason to buy it.
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Old 18-12-2009, 12:19
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Of all the things I was expecting to see in a thread about X-Factor, classic playwrights weren't high on the list. Well played, that man!
Why thanks, having an obssession with quotations is one of my many annoying habits!
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Old 18-12-2009, 12:49
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Of course it wouldn't be, the only reason it's selling so well is because of X-Factor.

But if X-Factor didn't exist there would still be the proper chase for number one at Christmas so there wouldn't be a need for campaigns such as the RATM one.

Buying the X-Factor song (and I think many people do) because you love the series as opposed to the actual song is another reason for purchasing. I don't think that's an invalid reason for buying it by the way.

In addition, the buying of Killing In The Name of is a protest at X-Factor's dominance of the Christmas singles market. If people are buying it (and I know they are and have never said anything different) to try and stop this monopoly rather than because they like the song then again I think it's still a valid reason to buy it.
yes - i get all of that.

but because the sales are largely driven by the objective of stopping TXF from getting to number one, a lot of people would be buying it whatever it was.

that's all i'm saying.

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Old 18-12-2009, 13:00
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I so want RATM to be #1, even though the song itself would be a terrible Christmas #1, completely non traditional etc.

They're going to need to sell another 200k today and tomorrow to stand any chance. The X-Factor bilge single has sold 150k in CD format so far this week, and I think that could be doubled with Saturday's sales.

Considering there are over 800000 on the Facebook campaign, 305k downloads for the week so far is a pretty half hearted attempt by the 'signatories'.
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Old 18-12-2009, 13:05
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The Facebook page is now up and running again after being down for much of this week, so maybe that will rejuvenate the campaign again.
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Old 18-12-2009, 13:18
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Ooh the gap is closing now. Rage are only about 9000 copies in front (yesterday they were 65000 ahead)

I'm pretty certain Joe will get to #1 on Sunday
Yesterday they were 30000 ahead not 65000.

Joe had a massive staged CD launch attended by thousands. He was always going to close the gap under those circumstances. However that bump in sales is now over and the heavy snow covering large parts of the country will keep CD sales lower than they might have been. More snow on the way over the weekend.

It's not over until Susan Boyle sings...
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Old 18-12-2009, 13:28
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I'd never downloaded from anywhere expect itunes untill this week.


I've learnt/setup play.com, amazon.co.uk, 7digital and HMV this week just for this and I'm sure HELL their will be thousands of others likewise.
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Old 18-12-2009, 13:38
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Either way Paddy Power have Joe at 1/10 now.

That's the same odds Barack Obama had heading into election day last year against McCain and United beating a league one team at home in the cup.

Usain Bolt was 1/7 heading into the Beijing olympics, so according to the bookies their catogarising RATM campaigns into the same league as those sort of things.
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Old 18-12-2009, 14:06
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I expect the RATM campaign has actually resulted in there being more sales of Joe's single than there would have been.

Like the multiple voting on the X factor there is probably multiple buying of the CD too by diehard fans.

So actually RATM have succeeded in making more money and generating more record sales for Simon Cowell!
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Old 18-12-2009, 14:20
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The Live version of KITN apparently counts towards the charts and is just 49p from TuneTribe.

http://bit.ly/ratm-tunetribe

Oh, and it's bloody marvellous too...

Honestly, regardless of this campaign, if you like and only have the studio version then get the Live tack - you'll love it
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Old 18-12-2009, 14:21
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Love the RATM track, and well I hate the fact that the X Factor being #1 is almost a formality every year. Two good reasons for the purchase of the RATM track ^^
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Old 18-12-2009, 14:31
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It doesn't matter to me now who gets it. I just think it's great that for the first time in years it's uncertain, it's like Bob The Builder and Eminem all over again!
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Old 18-12-2009, 14:33
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u think they could have gone for an xmas song to compete against the X Factor instead of a heavy metal song-i'd rather the X Factor get to no.1 instead of that
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Old 18-12-2009, 14:34
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Yesterday they were 30000 ahead not 65000.

Joe had a massive staged CD launch attended by thousands. He was always going to close the gap under those circumstances. However that bump in sales is now over and the heavy snow covering large parts of the country will keep CD sales lower than they might have been. More snow on the way over the weekend.

It's not over until Susan Boyle sings...
bit harsh susan isnt that plump
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Old 18-12-2009, 14:38
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I expect the RATM campaign has actually resulted in there being more sales of Joe's single than there would have been.

Like the multiple voting on the X factor there is probably multiple buying of the CD too by diehard fans.

So actually RATM have succeeded in making more money and generating more record sales for Simon Cowell!
I think the majority of people just want to feel like they have some say in the xmas No1 and want a change from the predictable and dull X Factor cover.
I know for me it's not about how much money Simon Cowel makes, it's about getting the xmas No1 back to what it should be.
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Old 18-12-2009, 14:45
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The Live version of KITN apparently counts towards the charts and is just 49p from TuneTribe.

http://bit.ly/ratm-tunetribe

Oh, and it's bloody marvellous too...

Honestly, regardless of this campaign, if you like and only have the studio version then get the Live tack - you'll love it

DONE! That now takes my total times up to 9! and I used a different e-mail to all my other mp3 download site accounts for this.
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Old 18-12-2009, 14:48
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I know for me it's not about how much money Simon Cowel makes, it's about getting the xmas No1 back to what it should be.
It's also very funny to keep hearing Cowell et al whining about how unfair it is that someone else might spoil their coronation.
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Old 18-12-2009, 15:52
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Anyone noticed how on Amazon, itunes at least Joe is linked straight away on the main page as you go to them it's right in front of you first thing you see upon going to the mp3 downloads, page. Rage are there but not shown until you get to the actual current top 10 download page itself. You mean to tell me that's not been done deliberately!



Play.com, HMV do list it on their main download pages though so big up to those 2 sites at least.
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Old 18-12-2009, 16:22
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I might be wrong, but whoever has the #2 on Sunday could well have the biggest weekly sales for a #2 single/track since Wham's Last Christmas in 1984.

Off the top of my head I can't think of a #2 selling over 300k since, nevermind 400k, even when Candle in the Wind was #1 in 1997 & Will Young & Gareth Gates had their 2 singles in early 2002.
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Old 18-12-2009, 16:42
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Anyone noticed how on Amazon, itunes at least Joe is linked straight away on the main page as you go to them it's right in front of you first thing you see upon going to the mp3 downloads, page. Rage are there but not shown until you get to the actual current top 10 download page itself. You mean to tell me that's not been done deliberately!
The X-Factor song was a planned release as part of a program with a promotional budget, RATM is a song that was always available and is not actually re-released as a single.

Of course it's deliberate.
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Old 18-12-2009, 17:16
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Don't talk about it - just buy it!



http://www.tunechecker.com/singles/r...name-explicit/
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Old 18-12-2009, 17:42
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It's a stupid, ironic and hypocritical campaign. I don't mind another song selling more and him losing out, but buying it for the sole reason of stopping Joe getting to number one is pure spite and hatred in my eyes. They preach about not doing what they are told, yet like perfect little sheep join a FB group and do whatever it tells them to do. At least Joe's fans just want the single, and aren't doing it because they have been told to, just told they can.
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Old 18-12-2009, 17:42
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Quick question for the fellow RATM supporters would you have bought a pyshical CD copy of the song if HMV had been able to stock some?


(They did try to get some pressed to stock but it wasn't possible)


I definiatly would have.
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Old 18-12-2009, 17:50
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It's a stupid, ironic and hypocritical campaign. I don't mind another song selling more and him losing out, but buying it for the sole reason of stopping Joe getting to number one is pure spite and hatred in my eyes. They preach about not doing what they are told, yet like perfect little sheep join a FB group and do whatever it tells them to do. At least Joe's fans just want the single, and aren't doing it because they have been told to, just told they can.
You've missed the point entirely.
It's about reintroducing the concept of a race for the Xmas Number 1 instead of the sheer certainty of a dirgey ballad being there.

Bring back some excitement into the charts and everyone could benefit.
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