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But you think everyone who buys X Factor likes it?
why else would they be buying it? Iain |
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Of course they will be, this is a PROTEST!
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I'm not being obtuse, Iain, I'm saying that it's a matter of scale and impact.
All singles are released with some form of marketing comms strategy, whether that's PR, radio, TV, press, social media, online, whatever. This Facebook RATM is using social media effectively. "The Climb" is using a TV show. Other singles might use radio airplay, or a PR stunt. The issue that people have with Joe McElderry's single is that The X Factor is such a powerful marketing tool that it removes all the competition, the need for musical quality, all the fun, from the Xmas No1 battle. It's the scale of it that annoys people. but my point is that both TXF and the RATM facebook campaign are above and beyond the marketing that other singles would typically receive. whatever else, that much shouldn't be in dispute. Iain |
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well, yes, it does seem to be the most likely explanation.
why else would they be buying it? Iain |
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if they liked it that much why didn't they buy it when it came out in March? It only got to number 11 - I think that says it all
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if they liked it that much why didn't they buy it when it came out in March? It only got to number 11 - I think that says it all
are you sure? assuming you're talking about Miley's version, maybe - and this is just a wild stab in the dark - they hadn't heard it? as such, it doesn't tell us anything, let alone everything. Iain |
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Joe's single came out in March?
are you sure? assuming you're talking about Miley's version, maybe - and this is just a wild stab in the dark - they hadn't heard it? Iain Singing a Kids, miley cyrus cover....what a way to start your career! |
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well, yes, it does seem to be the most likely explanation.
why else would they be buying it? Iain |
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I'm not being obtuse, Iain, I'm saying that it's a matter of scale and impact.
All singles are released with some form of marketing comms strategy, whether that's PR, radio, TV, press, social media, online, whatever. This Facebook RATM is using social media effectively. "The Climb" is using a TV show. Other singles might use radio airplay, or a PR stunt. The issue that people have with Joe McElderry's single is that The X Factor is such a powerful marketing tool that it removes all the competition, the need for musical quality, all the fun, from the Xmas No1 battle. It's the scale of it that annoys people. |
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Well here's my opinion. Whilst I personally think that x factor is a load of crap (my opinion) and a major reson for the decline of music quality in the mainstream, this RATM is as much as a novelty as the X factor single.
I don't follow the charts. Couldn't care less who's no.1. I just find it so strange that those who want RATM to go to no1 and the same for Jeff Buckly, I would imagine they wouldn't follow the charts also, so really why care? The charts are becoming irrelevant imo. |
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Thanks, that's all I wanted to know.
why do you think people might be buying it, other than the fact that they, you know, like it? Iain |
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Joe's single came out in March?
are you sure? assuming you're talking about Miley's version, maybe - and this is just a wild stab in the dark - they hadn't heard it? as such, it doesn't tell us anything, let alone everything. Iain from my experience people who buy the x factor single are people who listen to the charts and know what songs are out so I think a lot of people who are buying Joe's version certainly did know the Miley Cyrus one but are only buying it because of the X Factor. Fair enough if they like it but it's a cheap move - it was out in March, soundtrack to a Hannah Montana film - I think Joe is a lovely singer and seems like a lovely boy but the song is terrible and unfortunately for him I can't see it getting much better |
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Not necessarily; people may not have heard Miley Cyrus' version, whereas this version was shown to around 19 million people.
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hope rage get num 1
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You know fine well what I mean....
from my experience people who buy the x factor single are people who listen to the charts and know what songs are out so I think a lot of people who are buying Joe's version certainly did know the Miley Cyrus one but are only buying it because of the X Factor. Fair enough if they like it but it's a cheap move - it was out in March, soundtrack to a Hannah Montana film - I think Joe is a lovely singer and seems like a lovely boy but the song is terrible and unfortunately for him I can't see it getting much better i'm not sure about your experience, but from my experience, 15m + people watch TXF which dwarves typical singles sales these days. from my experience, its mostly young people who are bothered by the singles charts, whereas people of all ages watch TXF. either way, it seems likely that far more people saw Joe on TXF than ever saw Miley's version. i get that a lot of people don't like it, but what's with the holier than thou attitude that makes people find it so difficult to accept that other people might actually buy it because they like it? for what its worth, its not something i would buy, but find it pretty inoffensive on the radio. Iain |
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19 million might have watched it but they sure as aint aren't buying it...imagine if everyone who watched the show actually bough the single!
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you forgot to say why else you might think people might be buying it.
why do you think people might be buying it, other than the fact that they, you know, like it? Iain I certainly don't think it's down to the quality of the music itself, anyway; less so than ever this year, since 'The Climb' is one of the weakest X Factor choices so far. |
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I think a lot of people buy it because it's a sort of 'end product' of the weeks and months they spend watching X Factor, if you see what I mean.
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Well here's my opinion. Whilst I personally think that x factor is a load of crap (my opinion) and a major reson for the decline of music quality in the mainstream, this RATM is as much as a novelty as the X factor single.
I don't follow the charts. Couldn't care less who's no.1. I just find it so strange that those who want RATM to go to no1 and the same for Jeff Buckly, I would imagine they wouldn't follow the charts also, so really why care? The charts are becoming irrelevant imo.
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I think a lot of people buy it because it's a sort of 'end product' of the weeks and months they spend watching X Factor, if you see what I mean. A souvenir of the time they've invested in it. This is one of those cases where the brand (X Factor) is more important than the song itself - people will buy it because it's the X Factor song, regardless of whether they particularly like it (though since it's usually pretty inoffensive, formulaic pop, I dare say they don't dislike it).
I certainly don't think it's down to the quality of the music itself, anyway; less so than ever this year, since 'The Climb' is one of the weakest X Factor choices so far. people aren't under some moral obligation to only buy stuff that they consider to be the best that music has to offer. Iain |
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The issue that people have with Joe McElderry's single is that The X Factor is such a powerful marketing tool that it removes all the competition, the need for musical quality, all the fun, from the Xmas No1 battle.
Possibly, but according to posts on this forum the single hasn't sold that well. So possibly people have hard the song, decided they don't like it and are not buying it. Which considering the ratings for the xfactor it would seem like the powerful marketing tool hasn't worked that well in the end. People will buy the music they like, if they don't like it they don't buy it. As I think this single is proving. Is the xfactor effect really that different to popular groups getting the Christmas number or a novelty act? If RATM get the number one spot how is that any different to the xfactor winning? It's a nearly 20 year old song that few people will have heard recently, it's not a popular song and people are having to buy multiple copies to do it. Quote:
this RATM is as much as a novelty as the X factor single
I agree.
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Im a HUGE heavy metal hard rock fan and it would be neat to see such a band get the xmas no 1
HOWEVER, i dislike linkin park and the rest of their nu metal ilk to quite a degree, so im not a huge fan of RATM or rap metal in general, so im not bothered either way.
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Well here's my opinion. Whilst I personally think that x factor is a load of crap (my opinion) and a major reson for the decline of music quality in the mainstream, this RATM is as much as a novelty as the X factor single.
I don't follow the charts. Couldn't care less who's no.1. I just find it so strange that those who want RATM to go to no1 and the same for Jeff Buckly, I would imagine they wouldn't follow the charts also, so really why care? The charts are becoming irrelevant imo. Maybe by having RATM it would bring the charts back and show that they weren't irrelevant at all. If the underdog(RATM) can get to number 1 i think it shows that there is still hope for the old top 40. |
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RATM is now over 100% ahead of Joe on Itunes!.
So, even if Joe sells 50% physical, this wont be enough if the trend continues. |
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i know that all singles are released with some form of marketing.
but my point is that both TXF and the RATM facebook campaign are above and beyond the marketing that other singles would typically receive. whatever else, that much shouldn't be in dispute. Iain There isn't simply "Normal marketing" and "Special marketing" - it's a sliding scale. |
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Smug wouldn't be enough to describe Simon Cowell!
HOWEVER, i dislike linkin park and the rest of their nu metal ilk to quite a degree, so im not a huge fan of RATM or rap metal in general, so im not bothered either way.