God, you really are an idiot, arent you.

IT DOESNT SAY IT ON THE FRONT. IT WILL SAY IT ON THE BACK AND POSSIBLY ON THE SPINE.

EDIT: And it should say it on the CD itself, as well. But it wont.

That's what I'm saying, albeit without having to hit Caps Lock or throw round insults.

No. What your saying, is Im clutching at straws because it has no mention of it on the FRONT cover.

If the Producer or whatever Mr. Cowell calls himself, cannot give the proper credit to the people who write, produce and perform the song originally, then what makes him deserving of taking all the credit?

Chances are, the sheep buying Joe's version of this song are completely unaware that it is actually the title track from Miley Cyrus' Second Album, and was originally released in March of this Year. Cowell is taking advantage of its obscurity for his own personal gain, as he did with 'You are Not Alone' after Michael Jackson died - exploiting Jacko's popularity. And your CONDONING it!! Its laughable.


In regards to this post, you've heavily edited it to save face. By the time Id got to it, it was half this size, and contained much less information.

Newsflash. The Cover is connected to the back AND spine. As a whole, there should be details of who the original should be credited to somewhere on there. 'You are Not Alone' didnt have either. It credited Cowell as Producer.

Yes, because song credits are generally on the back as nearly everyone knows - Including the X-Factor single, the first line of which reads 'Written by R.Kelly' despite you claiming this wasn't the case, before calling ME an idiot for questioning this.


'Written by R.Kelly'


I'm condoning nothing; I'm telling you R.Kelly is credited and now showing you proof. You're using caps and throwing what are hilariously unjustified insults and accusations my way.

And R.Kelly as writer. See above.

And no, I haven't done anything to save face. I don't have to.

When the page decides to stop throwing up 'Server not found' and 'Internet Explorer cannot display the web page,' Ill take a look.

If your right, I apologize. I didnt see it on the spine, CD, or part of the cover visible with the CD inside it in the shop, and thus formulated my opinion based on that.

EDIT: Yes. You did. You heavily edited the post in question.

Stop arguing about off-topic poo and revel in the awesomeness of RATM's 5 Live appearance.

Alternative upload - http://i47.tinypic.com/119m8vq.jpg

It's not the best resolution, but it's there.


I added to what I was already saying to explain my point further, which is the opposite of trying to save face. Nothing embarrassing or contradictory was removed.

And anyway, only now you are on your high horse because you have found evidence that proves me wrong. Earlier you were saying artists and producers have no need to credit anything to anyone.

Previously, you were condoning it. Now, you are justifying your ego for 'being right' even though you never actually said that you were sure that Cowell credited the right people!
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Your correct. It is.




No. I never said you removed it. But you added to it to save face. I wish Id have quoted the original text.

that was amazing

Are you intentionally misreading everything I say? I'm not on a high horse, I just don't appreciate being patronised or insulted when I'm right.

Nowhere did I say there is no need to credit someone; I said writers get credit and producers don't, unless they've worked on that specific version (call me crazy, but I'm guessing Michael Jackson didn't produce the X-Factor cover)

I said I imagine R.Kelly is credited, because I've yet to see a CD where the writer isn't. I then found the cover which backed up my correct assumption.


You can't save face by extending the same point you make anyway.

I refer back to your previously edited post. In the earlier draft, you didnt mention that you 'believed R Kelly would be credited.'

Im completely dropping this now, partially because you have set my mind at rest, and partially because Im getting confused by myself referring back to posts that have been edited since without my knowledge until late.

to be honest, i'm inclined to think you are clutching at straws, because mentioning the original writer of a cover version on the front cover of something is not something which is typically done.

so its a bit of a red herring to have a pop at Cowell over this.

i suppose, before anyone jumps down my throat, i have to say that i don't say that as a particular fan of Cowell, just as someone who hasn't ever noticed this being done elsewhere.

Iain

Swearing?

Oooh, what a bit of middle class rebellion....

The chant is one of the best parts of the song, so the BBC asking them not to do it is just laughable, should see that part live when the whole crowd sings along.

The BBC are morons. Let's ask a band called rage against the machine to not swear at the section "f**k you I won't do what you tell me".

I don't understand why people get so worked up about swearing, it's bloody pathetic.

They're lucky they didn't leave them going until the very last word of the song, at least.

Well, the radio edit being played across the board has that whole section removed. RATM were specifically asked not to swear and they agreed. They should have stuck to what they agreed or refused to play if they felt that the swearing was so crucial.

Since when is rock about sticking to the rules?

There's a vid of the performane (edited ) up on the Radio 5 site and on YouTube.

*Pimps own YouTube channel.*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUGeoJtTnZQ

Fantastic piece of radio

Yep, a crowd signing en masse about not following the herd....

I presume you mean 'singing'? and it's not about not following the herd, it's about having the confidence to tell someone where to go if they tell you to do something and you don't think it's right.

So there is no irony in chanting it at all (unless you don't understand the song).

chanting about the KKK/racism to support fighting a tv show about pop music? Sounds pretty stupid to me.