Oh, I understand it, and I do think there is an unconscious irony in it. Much as there is an unintended irony in most of their work.

RATM are a white middle class idea of 'rebellion'. Didnt fall for them 15 years ago, dont fall for their 'rebellious' schtick now.

What the hell are you talking about?

They are not chanting about the KKK and racism! The chant simply says "F**k you, I won't do what you tell me"...

There are other RATM songs that speak about racism and the KKK in a NEGATIVE way- i.e, they are opposed to them.

And even if it was chanting that- if you're the kind of person that thinks a political band that sing against racism and the KKK is a bad thing, then you're really not worth bothering with.

Not really ironic in the case of that song, but I do know what you mean in general, there probably is a hint of irony to the band- after all, they were on a major label.

Still, they made some songs I used to like and mosh to when I was 15 and I didn't like to look too deeply into whether it was inconsciously ironic or anything like that, I just thought they were good songs

so what's the deal with this lyric, in relation to TXF anyway?

who has told anyone to buy TXF single?

we're back to the irony - it seems to be people being told to buy the RATM track.

Iain

Obviously you have no clue what they are about or know any of their work. Which means you can't make judgement.

Anyone who thought they would leave the F'k out of the song was deluded by a mile. That's the whole point of them. That's part of what makes the song.

At least RATM have worked hard for their money, they weren't given it on a plate and they will be donating part of the proceeds to charity.
Anything is better than some two bit waste of space with no idea about anything with an X Factor Tag attached to it getting a number one slot. It's about time someone took that cooperate nonsense head on and stomped them into the ground.

If you have to explain the meaning of the song, the message was clearly lost on the first deliverance.
Anyone who knows anything about Rage know what they are about ...and what the lyrics mean.

There isn't a band out there that wouldn't sign to a major record label to get their music across from that era. There was no internet, no downloading etc.

I didn't say anything about it relating to the x-factor? It really doesn't.

I was actually explaining to another poster that it isn't about the KKK.

Read back if you are still confused...

True

I think you might be a little bit confused as the line

'Some of us that work forces are the same that burn crosses'

was a direct relation to the racist hypocrisy of the American police force.

The phrase burn crosses refers to the practice of the ku klux clan.

Ok. But someone was saying I had related it to the x-factor, when I hadn't.

Edit: Also, they were talking about the chanted line at the end, which has no real referance to anything.

Yes it's obviously no relation to the xfactor and i think that's what makes it such a good choice

Sorry, but the 'oh, you just dont understand them' argument is a poor, poor counterargument. I have been following the band since they released their first album, I am probably older than you, so please dont insult me by suggesting I am not au fait with their entire catalogue.

Sorry, but you will have to accept that some of us dont rate the band and never have as much as you clearly do.

Want to make a musical counterargument?. Fine, but dont insult people by saying they are too ignorant to make a judgement.

Millionaire, middle-aged rock stars swear on the BBC. That's real anarchy.

RATM are a bit silly. And they talk a lot of 6th form rubbish.

This has been explained to you in detail on the other threads on the subject. Stop trolling Iain.

Fugazi were one who didn't.

I just don't get why swearing on the radio is suddenly considered epic. Maybe if you're 13 and easily amused, but I just think its not too big a deal?