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Old 20-12-2009, 14:01
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If the only way you can make people think is by angering them, what you're saying is not smart. 'Everyone who likes what I like is great, everyone who doesn't is thick dole scum' and 'all people that do X are Y' is the kind of logic that would embarrass a Youtube troll and smacks of an ignorance that betrays any attempt to come across as being smart.
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Old 20-12-2009, 14:06
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Celesti's right, some shocking generalisation going on on both sides of the debate here.

I've been a Rage fan since I was 13 and consider myself a well-mannered, reasonably intelligent bloke, yet some of the biggest Rock fans in the world are proper pond-life.

On the other hand some of the most well educated people I know are absolutelty obsessed with XFactor/Strictly/I'm A Celeb.

Taste has nothing to do with intelligence, the two are seperate entities they just happen to cross over at times.
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Old 20-12-2009, 14:17
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If the only way you can make people think is by angering them, what you're saying is not smart.
Eh? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion to be honest.

I merely said that it was easier to make people think about my ideas if I presented them in a confrontation.

Most social victories are stemmed from anger and confrontation.

The rage campaign is doing well because people are angry at the XFactor.

It works.
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Old 20-12-2009, 14:38
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While i sympathise with those who do not want cowell "ruining" the charts at Christmas time I am appalled at the choice of "song" to try defeat Joe to the top spot.

why couldnt theye choose a Christmas song - it would have served the same purpose and probably have been a more widely popular choice.

i do NOT want my kids singing "f** you i wont do what you tell me at any time of year, especially Christmas Day"

I will NOT do want a small group of degenerates tell me!


Why is there this assumption that if RATM is christmas number one all the grannies of the country are going to be subjected to youths shouting obscenities in their faces. As it is obligatory for people to sing the christmas number one to their parents?
Plus TOTP, Radio 1 etc will only ever play the radio edit.. so its a moot point.


I really hope Joe does not win I do not want a version of the climb sung to me by my 5 year old:
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Old 20-12-2009, 14:48
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While i sympathise with those who do not want cowell "ruining" the charts at Christmas time I am appalled at the choice of "song" to try defeat Joe to the top spot.

why couldnt theye choose a Christmas song - it would have served the same purpose and probably have been a more widely popular choice.

i do NOT want my kids singing "f** you i wont do what you tell me at any time of year, especially Christmas Day"

I will NOT do want a small group of degenerates tell me!
I'm sure they've heard it a million times in the school playground anyway.
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Old 20-12-2009, 14:57
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that actually got to number one the week after christmas!
Ermmm... No it didn't..
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:12
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Ermmm... No it didn't..
erm yes it did.

It got to number one on 28th December 1985

That is three days after christmas.

The actual christmas number one that year was Whitney Houston's 'saving all my love for you'.

The xmas number 1 is the song that tops the chart the Sunday before xmas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...980s_(UK)#1985
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:16
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It's not sick. It has a few obscenities at the end, but the song is in protest against constitutional racism.
Absolutely.

It's brilliant we're going to have an xmas no. 1 that actually means something.
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:19
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If the only way you can make people think is by angering them, what you're saying is not smart.
Tell that to Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Ghandi, Jesus, etc....
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:22
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Tell that to Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Ghandi, Jesus, etc....
My apologies, I must have missed 'I have a dream, you bunch of morons' or when Jesus reluctantly fed the 5000 because they were thick dole scum.
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:34
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My apologies, I must have missed 'I have a dream, you bunch of morons' or when Jesus reluctantly fed the 5000 because they were thick dole scum.
You don't think any of those people caused considerable anger?

Two of them were murdered and one was locked up for 27 years, for god's sake.
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:37
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Couldn't agree more, hate X factor's the climb. The song needs putting out of its misery.
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:38
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You don't think any of those people caused considerable anger?

Two of them were murdered and one was locked up for 27 years, for god's sake.
You think they're comparable with someone calling people morons for liking a song or TV show on a messageboard?
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:44
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You think they're comparable with someone calling people morons for liking a song or TV show on a messageboard?
I was arguing the point "If the only way you can make people think is by angering them, what you're saying is not smart"

History shows that the greatest advances in social history have, at the time, made a lot of people very angry. That's all.

It's not comparable with the Christmas charts, but when one side is supporting a track denouncing bigotry, institutional racism and blind conformity, and another is supporting a manufactured song full of hackneyed nonsense, then there might be a bit of anger flying round. That's life.
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:47
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I was arguing the point "If the only way you can make people think is by angering them, what you're saying is not smart"
Fair enough, but I should stress that by 'you' I was specifically addressing the poster abusing people who claimed it made them think about what he's saying, rather than in general.#

Anyone being called a f***ing idiot for disapproving of the Rage campaign isn't likely to come around to another way of thinking, they're more likely to just think 'this guy's rude'.
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Old 20-12-2009, 16:55
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erm yes it did.

It got to number one on 28th December 1985

That is three days after christmas.

The actual christmas number one that year was Whitney Houston's 'saving all my love for you'.

The xmas number 1 is the song that tops the chart the Sunday before xmas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...980s_(UK)#1985
according to wiki it was Christmas number 1 in 1985
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merry_Christmas_Everyone
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Old 20-12-2009, 17:07
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according to wiki it was Christmas number 1 in 1985
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merry_Christmas_Everyone
It got to number one AFTER Christmas. Check the actual chart dates. It got to number one the 28th December.

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/1...tmas-everyone/

And this is from Official Chart Company site:

http://www.theofficialcharts.com/all...ngs.php?show=4

scroll down to 1985.
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Old 20-12-2009, 17:12
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It got to number one AFTER Christmas. Check the actual chart dates. It got to number one the 28th December.

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/1...tmas-everyone/
That's the week ending the 28th, which would mean it got to no.1 the Sunday before, in time for Christmas.
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Old 20-12-2009, 17:13
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It got to number one AFTER Christmas. Check the actual chart dates. It got to number one the 28th December.

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/1...tmas-everyone/
If you clicked the link it says Uk number 1 single 22 December 1985
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Old 20-12-2009, 17:16
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That's the week ending the 28th, which would mean it got to no.1 the Sunday before, in time for Christmas.
that isn't how it works. The christmas number 1 is the song that is number 1 the Sunday before xmas. By your description the number one for christmas this year isn't decided till next week, so all this RATM vs x factor thing is invalid...
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Old 20-12-2009, 17:22
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that isn't how it works. The christmas number 1 is the song that is number 1 the Sunday before xmas. By your description the number one for christmas this year isn't decided till next week, so all this RATM vs x factor thing is invalid...
That is how it works, but you seem to be misunderstanding. The Christmas no.1 in 1985 was announced Sunday Dec 22nd, and is for the week ending Dec 28th, a Saturday. As this time encompasses Christmas, it's the Christmas no.1 - Shakin' Stevens.

Here's the top 20 for that week, a calendar for 1985, and the current chart from last Sunday listed as ending yesterday 19th December to illustrate my point:

http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=25%2F12%2F1985

http://www.miraclesalad.com/webtools....php?year=1985

http://www.theofficialcharts.com/top40_singles.php

My description is accurate, despite your sarcastic use of rolleyes. The no.1 this year will be listed as being top of the chart for the week ending 26th December.
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Old 20-12-2009, 17:25
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that isn't how it works. The christmas number 1 is the song that is number 1 the Sunday before xmas. By your description the number one for christmas this year isn't decided till next week, so all this RATM vs x factor thing is invalid...
That could be said for 14 of Christmas number 1's
http://www.philbrodieband.com/muso_xmas-no1-hits.htm
that has got the xfactor winners after christmas
2005: Shayne Ward - That's My Goal (Dec 31) (4) (UK X Factor winner)
2006: Leona Lewis - A Moment Like This (Dec 30) (4) (UK X Factor winner)
2007: Loen Jackson - When You Believe (Dec 29) (3) (UK X Factor winner)
2008: Alexandra Burke - Hallelujah (28 Dec) (3) (UK X Factor winner)
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Old 20-12-2009, 17:38
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It got to number one AFTER Christmas. Check the actual chart dates. It got to number one the 28th December.

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/1...tmas-everyone/

And this is from Official Chart Company site:

http://www.theofficialcharts.com/all...ngs.php?show=4

scroll down to 1985.
if you look at the top it says All Dates Listed are Week Ending Dates
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Old 20-12-2009, 17:39
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Xmas No.1 is the No.1 on Xmas Day.

If Xmas is on a Sunday, then the previous Sunday chart counts. Simple.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:08
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Prior to 1987, with the introduction of electronic counting, the chart was compiled on a Tuesday, so the Sunday before xmas rule has only applied from then on. It was simply whichever song was No1 on Dec 25th before this...
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