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Old 19-12-2009, 22:20
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Knuckleberry? Rage against monkeys? Oh Iceman09, what a wordsmith you are.

erm... it IS a historic event in british pop music... its the first time ever ive known a track be released deliberately to counter another as a political gesture...
KITN hasn't been re-released, it's a product that has been available for years being put forward to front a campaign. What's happened here isn't a new historic event, it's similar to the Jeff Buckley song being nominated to head up the charge last year.
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Old 19-12-2009, 22:23
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Have RATM given proceeds to charity before? I'm not sure... I know Tom vehemently supports homeless charities though, so it wouldn't surprise me. His guitar has had "arm the homeless" written on it for years. I know homeless charities are close to his heart. Actually, you only have to listen to some RATM songs to see it.
Yep, they've always been heavily involved in social/political activism and protests.

If I can C+P straight from Wiki:

Over its career, the band played benefit concerts for organizations such as Rock for Choice, the Anti-Nazi League, the United Farm Workers, children's care organization Para Los Niños and UNITE. 1994 saw the band organizing Latinpalooza, a joint benefit concert for the Leonard Peltier Defense Fund, and Para Los Niños. The band also raised funds for Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, the National Commission for Democracy in Mexico, Women Alive, and played at the Tibetan Freedom Concert on more than one occasion.
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Old 20-12-2009, 12:49
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Funny how you managed to miss their public vocal support of Shining Path.

Still, the latter is only a terrorist group guilty of the murder and maiming of hundreds of men, women and children (the latter of whom were kidnapped and used as child soldiers by SP), eh?....
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Old 20-12-2009, 13:01
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Knuckleberry? Rage against monkeys? Oh Iceman09, what a wordsmith you are.



KITN hasn't been re-released, it's a product that has been available for years being put forward to front a campaign. What's happened here isn't a new historic event, it's similar to the Jeff Buckley song being nominated to head up the charge last year.
Well thank you!
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Old 20-12-2009, 13:27
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Funny how you managed to miss their public vocal support of Shining Path.

Still, the latter is only a terrorist group guilty of the murder and maiming of hundreds of men, women and children (the latter of whom were kidnapped and used as child soldiers by SP), eh?....
It's not that funny, I just copied a paragraph I found that seemed relevant from where it mentioned benefit gigs. By all means add anything that detracts from their causes, but it wasn't an intentional thing on my part.
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Old 20-12-2009, 13:30
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Fair enough. Given my recent run in with a RATM nut this week who wont hear a word said against them, I thought you were another....
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Old 20-12-2009, 13:32
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Correction I'm not a fan of the Sex Pistols, hell I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum (Gabriel, Collins, Bush, Lennox to name a few) but historically they will be remembered, whilst Rage against monkeys I doubt will. Despite that I hope they get number one this Christmas as it is the lesser of two evils. Maybe that will b their calling card in a few years time "Do you remember when we created anarchy of facebook for a week!"

rage against the machine have sold over 30 million records, sell out every world tour they do and headline 80,000 capacity festivals worldwide...

they have been going for 20 years and are as popular today as they have ever been, and yet you think no one will remember them ?

lol just lol
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Old 20-12-2009, 13:34
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Nah, I liked them enough to buy their albums in the 90s and saw them at festivals a few times, but that's about as far as it goes. I hadn't even realised their reunion had lasted this long until this campaign came about.
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Old 20-12-2009, 13:38
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rage against the machine have sold over 30 million records, sell out every world tour they do and headline 80,000 capacity festivals worldwide...

they have been going for 20 years and are as popular today as they have ever been, and yet you think no one will remember them ?

lol just lol
Ah the facebook generation so fickle, I bet half of the people buying the song have been x-factor fans in the past. El oh El or Lol just Lol
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Old 20-12-2009, 13:40
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Ah the facebook generation so fickle, I bet half of the people buying the song have been x-factor fans in the past. El oh El or Lol just Lol
They had been selling out gigs long before this facebook campaign came about
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Old 20-12-2009, 13:42
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Ah the facebook generation so fickle, I bet half of the people buying the song have been x-factor fans in the past. El oh El or Lol just Lol
I very much doubt it. There is an average of 50 IQ points and a salary separating those that like rage and those that like the XFactor.
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Old 20-12-2009, 13:49
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Ah the facebook generation so fickle, I bet half of the people buying the song have been x-factor fans in the past. El oh El or Lol just Lol
what on earth has that got to do with my point ? they sold 30 million records prior to this facebook campaign, they sold out world tours prior to this campaign, they won grammys prior to this campaign.

you said no one will remember them, and i gave you plenty of good reasons why people will..
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:00
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Rage Against The Monkeys = Cheap Sex Pistols wannabes!

But having said that Cowell is a Bar....d and I hate all the shit coming off the X-factor if I have to hear Leona Bleeding lewis or Alexandre I band bad boys the Burke!
I've never heard of Rage Aganst The Monkeys. Are they some kind of anti-chimp protest organisation?
Sorry, I see what you did there - you substituted the word Monkeys for the word Machine. Good effort, but my 4 year old can do better.

I do agree with your X Factor sentiments though.
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:26
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Or have they donated proceeds from other releases to charity?

Iain
RATM have done a large amount for charity and other humanitarian causes - their whole career has been punctuated by efforts against racism, bigotry, inequality corruption, torture and all sorts of causes.

They also wrote and recorded an album which has sold three million, re-defined a musical genre and is widely regarded as one of the best of its time.

Come back when you've done that, Joe McElderberry.
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:27
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Ah the facebook generation so fickle, I bet half of the people buying the song have been x-factor fans in the past.
well, everyone grows up at some point.
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:28
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Carefully thoughtout response to the OP: Heh.
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:43
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They didn't start this campaign- somebody on facebook did.
But they're happily going along with it now they've seen their income being boosted by it.
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Old 20-12-2009, 15:47
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But they're happily going along with it now they've seen their income being boosted by it.
Is that why they're giving all of it to charity?

What would you have them do anyway? Tell people to stop buying their song? Get real!

Whatever they'd have done, people like you would have criticized them.
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Old 20-12-2009, 16:19
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Looks like Rage Against Monkeys have made a monkey out of Joe.
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Old 21-12-2009, 02:42
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I'd never heard of them in the past but their song is horrible!
I'm a rock fan, but this is just...awful.
Long live Motley Crue, Bowie, Bon Jovi, Warrant & Guns 'N Roses
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Old 21-12-2009, 03:31
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I'd never heard of them in the past but their song is horrible!
I'm a rock fan, but this is just...awful.
Long live Motley Crue, Bowie, Bon Jovi, Warrant & Guns 'N
Roses
Well we all have different opinions. I wasn't going to say anything, but then I saw you'd named some of my all time least favourite bands, so I couldn't resist

...Warrent? Errgghh... aren't they the ones that sing that song about a cherry pie? Mega cheesy! And Motley Crue- shameful Van Halen rip offs with none of the skill- Van Halen were bad enough!

Bon Jovi- what an arrogant irritant- his music is some of the cheesiest, most annoying, overplayed, cliched crap I've ever heard!



Phew, I feel better now!
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Old 21-12-2009, 07:35
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That is exactly where I was coming from, to compare the two musically would be a crime, one group are Gods the others are well politely put not!
I assume you are not a Sex Pistols fan then.Since the 'butter' associations they are not so popular now are they
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Old 21-12-2009, 07:49
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But they're happily going along with it now they've seen their income being boosted by it.
I don't think the 'rage's' income will be significantly increased by this 'single' - a small cut of 29p downloads .They are already a quite successful band.Their success being based on genuine liking of the band from the underground & not media marketing campaigns.They probably already a large pay day from signing to Sony as they were well established before that so could name their price.They are not particlarly interested in the pennies they got from this.They could explote it in the future mind??? I don't think they would go into over the top mode, like if Cowell was their manager mind.
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Old 21-12-2009, 07:59
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Rage Against The Monkeys = Cheap Sex Pistols wannabes!
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Sex Pistols = Cheap New York Dolls wannabes.
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Old 21-12-2009, 09:15
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Oh dear. I take it your a full on X Factor fan who is miffed.
This sums up the OP very well it seems
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