I don't understand what Ricky would have to gain by using his ailments as an excuse for losing. I haven't watched it fully yet but by all accounts he danced very well last night and didn't show any signs of problems. I would commend him for that.
Ricky: I had a hernia and a back spasm
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Maybe that's why Carly dumped him, because he was so silly in dancing on with such a medical condition. It says in the article that she is the only person other than his GP who knew.
Originally Posted by TylerTango:
“Ricky is the winner of the dance contest.
Chris is the winner of the popularity contest.
I'm not bothered.”
“Ricky is the winner of the dance contest.
Chris is the winner of the popularity contest.
I'm not bothered.”
Actually Chris is the winner of the whole contest, like Tom, Alesha, Mark, Darren, Jill & Natasha.
Ricky didn't win anything. That was the point of the vote.
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“Yes. I am a little skeptical. But I suppose there is always some divergence in medical opinion. Many would not share yours on this issue. Each to their own!
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“Yes. I am a little skeptical. But I suppose there is always some divergence in medical opinion. Many would not share yours on this issue. Each to their own!
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Why on earth would I come on here and say I was a Doctor if I wasnt?
Your 'scepticsm' was based on a post I made when I was angry.Im certainly enjoying the ArmChair Medics Association debating on here but I am comforted by a few things:
1. My 5 year MBChB Degree from one of the top medical schools in England
2. My 2.5 years of working in a large and manically busy teaching hospital in a very deprived area in the North West
3. My speciality training in General Practice
4. The fact that I dont take things at face value and can appreciate that there are certainly more catagories of hernias and they have a varying range of severity.
I do not condone Ricky for risking his health. I however, understand why he did it. And clearly, he wasnt compromised lifting Natalie, which makes me think his hernia wasnt too severe. People can have hernias and never ever have them repaired, they just carry on regardless.
But then, Im sure most of what I say will fall on deaf ears and you can think Im some 12 year old troll who is a pathological liar instead of the 26 year old married Doctor that I am with an honest reputation and who has seen more illness and sadness than a lot of people her age.
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“"Every week I was terrified I would collapse on stage and be rushed to hospital. The pain was horrendous but it was my dream to go on the show and I wasn't going to let an injury stop me."
He recalled: "I pulled something and a lump developed in my groin."
Doctors diagnosed an inguinal hernia, meaning part of his intestines had come out and were poking through his lower abdomen.
Ricky, who will have an operation immediately now the show is over, had already committed himself to Strictly and was desperate not to drop out. He said: "I've watched every series and it was my dream to do the show.
"My doctor told me I needed an operation and I would be laid up for a month. That wasn't an option.
"He told me to take it easy, not to lift anything heavy and not to do any new exercise I wasn't used to.
"It was the lifting that he said would make the show very difficult. He warned that I could be rushed off for emergency treatment at any time. When I saw the BBC doctor to get on Strictly I just didn't mention it.
"There is a lump that protrudes that I push back into my body and I did that before the examination.
"I got passed medically on to the show but it has been pretty difficult right through the competition.
"The pain has got worse and worse and the lump has got bigger. It really hurt every time I lifted Natalie, did a lunge or jumped down from the steps onto the stage. Sometimes Natalie would ask if I was in pain because I kept touching my groin. I would lie and just say I had pulled something.
"If she'd known I don't think she would have let me continue. I was worried in every show that the pain would get too much and I would collapse. It was on my mind the whole time."”
“"Every week I was terrified I would collapse on stage and be rushed to hospital. The pain was horrendous but it was my dream to go on the show and I wasn't going to let an injury stop me."
He recalled: "I pulled something and a lump developed in my groin."
Doctors diagnosed an inguinal hernia, meaning part of his intestines had come out and were poking through his lower abdomen.
Ricky, who will have an operation immediately now the show is over, had already committed himself to Strictly and was desperate not to drop out. He said: "I've watched every series and it was my dream to do the show.
"My doctor told me I needed an operation and I would be laid up for a month. That wasn't an option.
"He told me to take it easy, not to lift anything heavy and not to do any new exercise I wasn't used to.
"It was the lifting that he said would make the show very difficult. He warned that I could be rushed off for emergency treatment at any time. When I saw the BBC doctor to get on Strictly I just didn't mention it.
"There is a lump that protrudes that I push back into my body and I did that before the examination.
"I got passed medically on to the show but it has been pretty difficult right through the competition.
"The pain has got worse and worse and the lump has got bigger. It really hurt every time I lifted Natalie, did a lunge or jumped down from the steps onto the stage. Sometimes Natalie would ask if I was in pain because I kept touching my groin. I would lie and just say I had pulled something.
"If she'd known I don't think she would have let me continue. I was worried in every show that the pain would get too much and I would collapse. It was on my mind the whole time."”
Rereading the NOTW article itself, there is no mention of involuntary back spasms.
That gamble paid off, but Rickie conceded that at any moment he could lose control and lurch into disaster, so on balance I would be disinclined to have taken such a gamble without the consent of Natalie whose life and limb was on the line, not to mention 12 million viewers tuning in for feelgood.
Perhaps Ricky's pain and anxiety was not unrelated to his comparatively withdrawn persona on the dance floor. If true then his gamble did not pay off. He overcame the physical pain but it showed in his subdued body language, losing votes for it. But good luck to Ricky in Hollywood after hospital -- he is a trier and how.
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“Who would have thought it eh DrB? The guy loses, he then admits to being injured and yet he still gets a pasting! It really seems to me that for some people winning isn't enough.”
“Who would have thought it eh DrB? The guy loses, he then admits to being injured and yet he still gets a pasting! It really seems to me that for some people winning isn't enough.
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Nothing suprises me on this forum Laura, some people just dont have any grace in victory. I know for a fact the True WWW's would have been estatic but dignified.
I don't think he was making excuses - he should be proud of himself as he is a brilliant dancer.
I thought last night's final was one, if not the best, so far. I am a Chris and Ola supporter and so am obviously over the moon that they won. However, the whole atmosphere of the final was brilliant and Ricky and Nat were very gracious runners up.
These more negative threads are a bit boring IMO:sleep:
I thought last night's final was one, if not the best, so far. I am a Chris and Ola supporter and so am obviously over the moon that they won. However, the whole atmosphere of the final was brilliant and Ricky and Nat were very gracious runners up.
These more negative threads are a bit boring IMO:sleep:
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“There are plenty if people out there who have hernias and just get on with it whilst waiting for operations. If Ricky's hernia was reduceable - that he can pop it back in - then it's not going to compromises him that much with regards to lifting.
Also, morphine and pethidine are NOT the 'only' thing that will work for pain relief in hernias and definately not for back spasms. I refer you to the WHO pain ladder, the guidelines for all medics to use when treating pain. I avoid giving morphine unless other analgesics haven't helped.”
“There are plenty if people out there who have hernias and just get on with it whilst waiting for operations. If Ricky's hernia was reduceable - that he can pop it back in - then it's not going to compromises him that much with regards to lifting.
Also, morphine and pethidine are NOT the 'only' thing that will work for pain relief in hernias and definately not for back spasms. I refer you to the WHO pain ladder, the guidelines for all medics to use when treating pain. I avoid giving morphine unless other analgesics haven't helped.”
Would you allow a patient with a inguinal hernia , reducable or not , lift an 8 stone woman above his head ?? I doubt it .
No medic would recommend it or endorse it or be part of it IMo
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Yes there are degrees of hernia's...and indeed different catagories of hernias.
Back spasms...well, they were the bane of my life on A&E as its clear that some people's pain thresholds are far lower than others. Genuine back spasms are indeed involuntary but you would not be able to see any 'spasmodic movements'...Im not sure what you are quite getting at there. Ricky's pain was clearly adequately controlled enough for him to dance and another poster was right when it is said lying about doing nothing is the worst thing you can do with back pain.”
“Yes there are degrees of hernia's...and indeed different catagories of hernias.
Back spasms...well, they were the bane of my life on A&E as its clear that some people's pain thresholds are far lower than others. Genuine back spasms are indeed involuntary but you would not be able to see any 'spasmodic movements'...Im not sure what you are quite getting at there. Ricky's pain was clearly adequately controlled enough for him to dance and another poster was right when it is said lying about doing nothing is the worst thing you can do with back pain.”
DrB, I have pretty regular back spasms (from MS in my case, despite anti-spasmodic meds) and I can promise you that when one strikes I make a spasmodic movement all right! That's in addition to the spasmodic swear-words issuing from my lips, but that's another matter...
Originally Posted by Abbasolutely 40:
“Would you allow a patient with a inguinal hernia , reducable or not , lift an 8 stone woman above his head ?? I doubt it .
No medic would recommend it or endorse it or be part of it IMo”
“Would you allow a patient with a inguinal hernia , reducable or not , lift an 8 stone woman above his head ?? I doubt it .
No medic would recommend it or endorse it or be part of it IMo”
Do you think the BBC's insurance would cover it if he caused himself damage by continuing to dance and included the lifts?
Originally Posted by Daisy_M:
“I don't understand what Ricky would have to gain by using his ailments as an excuse for losing.”
“I don't understand what Ricky would have to gain by using his ailments as an excuse for losing.”
Publicity?
Originally Posted by Daisy_M:
“He's hardly lacking in publicity.
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“He's hardly lacking in publicity.
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No right now he's not. I hope he'll do alright in the future. Big changes for him at the mo. End of relationship; end of life in Liverpool. Heading into the unknown careerwise. So best of luck to him I say.
Originally Posted by Squishy22:
“Do you think the BBC's insurance would cover it if he caused himself damage by continuing to dance and included the lifts?”
“Do you think the BBC's insurance would cover it if he caused himself damage by continuing to dance and included the lifts?”
Probably not - but that depends on what he told them and whether or not he involved the BBC doctor (as Jade had to).
I hope for Ricky's sake that he is well - but I can't quite imagine the pain was that bad, otherwise Natalie would have modified the routines for him - and that patently didn't happen.
Sounds like the media are looking for some bizarre angle because they can't find it in themselves to comment on the good humour and cameraderie evident between both couples in the final.
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Probably not - but that depends on what he told them and whether or not he involved the BBC doctor (as Jade had to).
I hope for Ricky's sake that he is well - but I can't quite imagine the pain was that bad, otherwise Natalie would have modified the routines for him - and that patently didn't happen.
Sounds like the media are looking for some bizarre angle because they can't find it in themselves to comment on the good humour and cameraderie evident between both couples in the final.”
“Probably not - but that depends on what he told them and whether or not he involved the BBC doctor (as Jade had to).
I hope for Ricky's sake that he is well - but I can't quite imagine the pain was that bad, otherwise Natalie would have modified the routines for him - and that patently didn't happen.
Sounds like the media are looking for some bizarre angle because they can't find it in themselves to comment on the good humour and cameraderie evident between both couples in the final.
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Yeah there really no doubt that the media have played this up.
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
“Actually Chris is the winner of the whole contest, like Tom, Alesha, Mark, Darren, Jill & Natasha.
Ricky didn't win anything. That was the point of the vote.”
“Actually Chris is the winner of the whole contest, like Tom, Alesha, Mark, Darren, Jill & Natasha.
Ricky didn't win anything. That was the point of the vote.”
Blahblahblah.
I've never had either a hernia or a back spasm, so i can't comment on the pain vs determination factor and how that could affect Ricky's dancing. But i'd just like to point out that in an interview with JLC (a year or so after SCD), Alesha said that her back went into spasms the week of the final. so, it seems plausible that Ricky could've danced in pain.
I don't know what the truth of the matter is, but call me naive, I like to think the best of people and not instantly think they're lying. He was gracious in defeat last night and throughout the series has spoken so highly of the other professionals and contestants alike, that the 'sore loser' hat doesn't sit well with his personality or previous behaviour.
I don't know what the truth of the matter is, but call me naive, I like to think the best of people and not instantly think they're lying. He was gracious in defeat last night and throughout the series has spoken so highly of the other professionals and contestants alike, that the 'sore loser' hat doesn't sit well with his personality or previous behaviour.
Originally Posted by Abbasolutely 40:
“Would you allow a patient with a inguinal hernia , reducable or not , lift an 8 stone woman above his head ?? I doubt it .
No medic would recommend it or endorse it or be part of it IMo”
“Would you allow a patient with a inguinal hernia , reducable or not , lift an 8 stone woman above his head ?? I doubt it .
No medic would recommend it or endorse it or be part of it IMo”
With respect Abba, please re-read my posts about this subject. I said I didnt condone it, I said I understood WHY he did it and there is the difference between my medical opinion and my consideration of how desperate Ricky was to continue on. What I have also said is that it mustnt have been THAT BAD a hernia otherwise he wouldnt have been able to carry on with it.
Originally Posted by Funky Mango:
“DrB, I have pretty regular back spasms (from MS in my case, despite anti-spasmodic meds) and I can promise you that when one strikes I make a spasmodic movement all right! That's in addition to the spasmodic swear-words issuing from my lips, but that's another matter...”
“DrB, I have pretty regular back spasms (from MS in my case, despite anti-spasmodic meds) and I can promise you that when one strikes I make a spasmodic movement all right! That's in addition to the spasmodic swear-words issuing from my lips, but that's another matter...
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Im sorry to hear about your illness FM. However, back spasms from MS (Ive worked in a Neuro specialist unit on the MS team) are entirely different from back-spasms through general wear and tear, hence why different medications are used. I dont think Ricky had a 'spasm' as such rather than back muscle sprain - 2 entirely different problems.
Last edited by drbolognaise : 20-12-2009 at 18:32
Not a doctor. Not a Chris fan. Not a Ricky fan (but I did vote for him last night). Right, caveats out of the way...
Seems to me that there are three options:
Ricky did a stupid and dangerous thing in dancing with a hernia and keeping it secret.
Ricky is exaggerating a mild medical condition to the nth degree for publicity (don't buy sour grapes myself, but can buy publicity generally).
Some kernel of truth from an interview has been hyperbolised and dramatised by an NotW reporter.
It's a bit smelly whichever it is, if you ask me.
Seems to me that there are three options:
Ricky did a stupid and dangerous thing in dancing with a hernia and keeping it secret.
Ricky is exaggerating a mild medical condition to the nth degree for publicity (don't buy sour grapes myself, but can buy publicity generally).
Some kernel of truth from an interview has been hyperbolised and dramatised by an NotW reporter.
It's a bit smelly whichever it is, if you ask me.
Originally Posted by gorlagon:
“Not a doctor. Not a Chris fan. Not a Ricky fan (but I did vote for him last night). Right, caveats out of the way...
Seems to me that there are three options:
Ricky did a stupid and dangerous thing in dancing with a hernia and keeping it secret.
Ricky is exaggerating a mild medical condition to the nth degree for publicity (don't buy sour grapes myself, but can buy publicity generally).
Some kernel of truth from an interview has been hyperbolised and dramatised by an NotW reporter.
It's a bit smelly whichever it is, if you ask me.”
“Not a doctor. Not a Chris fan. Not a Ricky fan (but I did vote for him last night). Right, caveats out of the way...
Seems to me that there are three options:
Ricky did a stupid and dangerous thing in dancing with a hernia and keeping it secret.
Ricky is exaggerating a mild medical condition to the nth degree for publicity (don't buy sour grapes myself, but can buy publicity generally).
Some kernel of truth from an interview has been hyperbolised and dramatised by an NotW reporter.
It's a bit smelly whichever it is, if you ask me.”
Doctor, Ricky Fan and I have to say I think it is a mixture of all those options there.
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Im sorry to hear about your illness FM. However, back spasms from MS (Ive worked in a Neuro specialist unit on the MS team) are entirely different from back-spasms through general wear and tear, hence why different medications are used. I dont think Ricky had a 'spasm' as such rather than back muscle sprain - 2 entirely different problems.”
“Im sorry to hear about your illness FM. However, back spasms from MS (Ive worked in a Neuro specialist unit on the MS team) are entirely different from back-spasms through general wear and tear, hence why different medications are used. I dont think Ricky had a 'spasm' as such rather than back muscle sprain - 2 entirely different problems.”
Thanks for the explanation DrB - and how refreshing to "meet" a GP who knows about MS! Can I transfer onto your list please?
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“...I said I understood WHY he did it and there is the difference between my medical opinion and my consideration of how desperate Ricky was to continue on. What I have also said is that it mustnt have been THAT BAD a hernia otherwise he wouldnt have been able to carry on with it.”
“...I said I understood WHY he did it and there is the difference between my medical opinion and my consideration of how desperate Ricky was to continue on. What I have also said is that it mustnt have been THAT BAD a hernia otherwise he wouldnt have been able to carry on with it.”
Perhaps you misread, but the hernia occurred prior to preparations for the show commencing, nevermind the show itself. Whichever way you dress it up, it cannot be claimed Ricky wanted to "continue on" as that point he hadnt even started!
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“the 'sore loser' hat doesn't sit well with his personality or previous behaviour.”
“the 'sore loser' hat doesn't sit well with his personality or previous behaviour.”
I agree with this, especially as the newspaper interview was given prior to the show, before Ricky had "lost" anything. I personally think he is very, very stupid and would say the same if anyone pulled this stunt.
He did gamble.
He did have hernia (though how serious we don't know, the NOTW's claim of the size of a tennis ball is suspicious at best).
Yes, it could have ended badly and it would have been too much a risk to take, not to mention a stupid one.
Desperate? Maybe. He's losing his job in Hollyoaks from the look of it, so he's desperate to get maximum publicity by staying in SCD for as long as he can, possibly till the final.
Is it worth it, now in retrospect?
Don't condone his actions, but can understand that when bread and butter is concerned, sometimes people take stupid risks.
But I can't stand people here automatically becoming medical experts and call Ricky a liar.
He did have hernia (though how serious we don't know, the NOTW's claim of the size of a tennis ball is suspicious at best).
Yes, it could have ended badly and it would have been too much a risk to take, not to mention a stupid one.
Desperate? Maybe. He's losing his job in Hollyoaks from the look of it, so he's desperate to get maximum publicity by staying in SCD for as long as he can, possibly till the final.
Is it worth it, now in retrospect?
Don't condone his actions, but can understand that when bread and butter is concerned, sometimes people take stupid risks.
But I can't stand people here automatically becoming medical experts and call Ricky a liar.
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I agree with this, especially as the newspaper interview was given prior to the show, before Ricky had "lost" anything. I personally think he is very, very stupid and would say the same if anyone pulled this stunt.”
“I agree with this, especially as the newspaper interview was given prior to the show, before Ricky had "lost" anything. I personally think he is very, very stupid and would say the same if anyone pulled this stunt.”
I think the same and it also goes to show that he is just an extremely driven and determined person: will do it at whatever cost kind of guy. Which is why his relationahip didn't work: from what he says. And why he gets on (or appears to) with Natalie (same personality).
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