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Old 20-12-2009, 17:57
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:04
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I would not dream of buying the trash, but what I would say that anything that gets up Simon Cowells nose is only good for music.

He was just a pathetic fool for letting those two idiots through at the expence of the best singer in this years x factor.

So I hope he's lost a fortune.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:08
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So I hope he's lost a fortune.
Quite the opposite. Stoking the flames of a chart battle can only make him money.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:11
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Not sure if they are official, but they do look in line. It's shocking if he sold under 500k considering the audience was the highest in ages. I can only assume that people think the song is naff.
what happened to everyone buying it because they'd been brainwashed by TXF?

anyone would think that people hadn't been brainwashed by TXF after all!

hurray!

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Old 20-12-2009, 18:18
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Quite the opposite. Stoking the flames of a chart battle can only make him money.
That's what I would have thought too, but if the leaked figures are correct, Joe's sold fewer than any other X-Factor winner, despite there being a contest this time.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:21
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The way I see it, RATM have been around for years and due to the nature of their music, they've never had great chart success. So, RATM deserve this #1. Even if it is just down to the campaign, it's a triumph they deserve for their numerous years in the industry.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:21
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That's what I would have thought too, but if the leaked figures are correct, Joe's sold fewer than any other X-Factor winner, despite there being a contest this time.
I think that suggests that without the battle it may have sold even less, as it's a bit of a dull choice and was only in the chart this year. I doubt he's lost potential sales to the RATM track, at least.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:30
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Hope you're all pleased with yourselves.What was the point in denying this young lad a Christmas No.1?
Well he didn't exactly earn it did he? It's a shocking song to put out in the first place. What was Cowell thinking about???

Historically, singers/bands don't automatically hit number 1 with their first effort. It takes time and hard work (real hard work, not singing every week on a tv series). Just being in the limelight and getting a record deal should be good enough for Joe, and any other future X Factor winner.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:31
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I think that suggests that without the battle it may have sold even less, as it's a bit of a dull choice and was only in the chart this year. I doubt he's lost potential sales to the RATM track, at least.
I don't think The Climb is any duller than When You Believe (and it's probably better known), but Leon Jackson still beat Joe by a good 40,000, even though this year's final had a much higher audience.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:33
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I don't think The Climb is any duller than When You Believe (and it's probably better known), but Leon Jackson still beat Joe by a good 40,000, even though this year's final had a much higher audience.
Leon's total sales were around 490k. His opening week sales were 275k.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:35
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If anything, a lesson has been learned by Simon Cowell and any potential X-Factor contestants for the future.

If you want a number 1 record, don't put out a cover, put out a song that has a political message so i am sure we can expect next year's X-Factor winner to put out a song called "Lets All Kick David Cameron In The Bell-End" in a bid to secure that Christmas No. 1 slot
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:35
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Well it sure will be a change not having TXF as the Christmas No 1 ....... however perhaps RATM is not the ideal Chritmassy, festive, joyous, feel good song we really wanted to top our charts at this celebratory time of year.

What happened to the 13m viewers who watched TXF ..... Joe is a lovely lad and really doesn't deserve the backlash. So everybody who voted for him didn't actually download his single, great support.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:35
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The way I see it, RATM have been around for years and due to the nature of their music, they've never had great chart success. So, RATM deserve this #1. Even if it is just down to the campaign, it's a triumph they deserve for their numerous years in the industry.
That is probably the most stupid thing I have ever read. Why do they deserve a No.1? Surely, if the nature of their music and their attitude towards their art is the way it is, then getting a No.1 through an internet campaign in opposition to a businessman, then that is no the 'deserved' No.1 you claim they are owed.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:36
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A number two is great
And a Miley Cyrus cover is definitely a number two
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:41
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I actually feel sorry for Joe, he's from a run down council estate, would probably be working in Asda now if he wasn't in the X-factor, this is a chance for him to get himself and family out of that life.

Really it's simon cowell everyone hates, but this young lad is getting it in the neck, there are some nasty individuals out there seemingly.

As for RATM, good god it is rubbish, if it wasn't for this campaign, where would it chart?

Im certainly no x-factor fan, i hate the self promotion, the judges advertising their own songs o n their own shows, music has gone to the dogs because of it all IMO.

However this hate campaign against a young boy is embarrassing ans quite sad really.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:43
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Leon's total sales were around 490k. His opening week sales were 275k.
Ah, okay. The site with the "leak" would appear to be comparing apples with oranges, then.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:43
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However this hate campaign against a young boy is embarrassing ans quite sad really.
RATM would have still been going up against Olly if he'd won so you can't say it's an Anti-Joe campaign.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:45
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However this hate campaign against a young boy is embarrassing ans quite sad really.
It would be if a hate campaign against him existed. He's incidental to it.
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Old 20-12-2009, 18:45
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However this hate campaign against a young boy is embarrassing ans quite sad really.
"Hate campaign"? Even the people who want RATM to win seem to quite like him. Has anyone attacked him on this forum?
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Old 20-12-2009, 19:01
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It would be if a hate campaign against him existed. He's incidental to it.
Rather like setting fire to a building then claiming that the people who were burned inside were "incidental to it" and that the real target was the building.

Also i see many quoting one line from my post, i take it thats the only point you all disagree with then?
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Old 20-12-2009, 19:04
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Rather like setting fire to a building then claiming that the people who were burned inside were "incidental to it" and that the real target was the building.

Also i see many quoting one line from my post, i take it thats the only point you all disagree with then?
More like trying to build a bigger building next-door, regardless of who lives in the original building.

Nothing's been destroyed, Joe sold 400000+ copies of a debut single, which is still remarkable.
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Old 20-12-2009, 19:10
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I actually feel sorry for Joe, he's from a run down council estate, would probably be working in Asda now if he wasn't in the X-factor, this is a chance for him to get himself and family out of that life.

Really it's simon cowell everyone hates, but this young lad is getting it in the neck, there are some nasty individuals out there seemingly.

As for RATM, good god it is rubbish, if it wasn't for this campaign, where would it chart?

Im certainly no x-factor fan, i hate the self promotion, the judges advertising their own songs o n their own shows, music has gone to the dogs because of it all IMO.

However this hate campaign against a young boy is embarrassing ans quite sad really.
I agree with all your points.

Joe is a credit to his family and the people of South Shields.

We need more young lads and girls like him to show how to behave.
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Old 22-12-2009, 16:33
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I agree with all your points.

Joe is a credit to his family and the people of South Shields.

We need more young lads and girls like him to show how to behave.
Is it this easy to brainwash people?
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Old 22-12-2009, 17:31
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I actually feel sorry for Joe, he's from a run down council estate, would probably be working in Asda now if he wasn't in the X-factor, this is a chance for him to get himself and family out of that life.
He got No. 2, which isn't exactly a failure, and maybe next week he'll be No. 1, so I can't see where he's lost out in all this (in fact, his name is probably more known now than if the campaign hadn't existed). I'm sure his family will be still benefiting over this.

Also, many singers/bands who have actually worked their way up to success have come from humble backgrounds. Those singers/bands have done so through a lot of time and effort, honing their skill in some difficult places and riding out some really harsh criticism (not just the press, Facebook and DS, but people watching them at pub gigs, etc). It's best not to concentrate on Joe's supposed humble upbringing, because that claim can be said for a lot of established acts who didn't have the benefit of a multi-million pound media machine behind them in their formative years.

Oh, and Joe won't be working for Asda... although he might get lucky and end up opening a few of their stores in the next year or so.
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Old 22-12-2009, 17:54
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I'm sick and tired of these petty sob stories ''Oh poor Joe he could have ended up working at Asdas''

That in itself just shows you all the shockingly low expectations of X-factor contestants and most likely it's viewers.

He went to school right? couldn't he have aced his GCSES/A-Levels and then got a place at a top University and ultimately a good job like the rest of us? living on a council estate is no excuse for having such low expectations..This is ENGLAND not Mozambique.
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