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So you bought it, even though you don't really like it? You actually spent your own hard earned money to buy something as a protest? You bought a single that you don't particularly like, just because someone told you you should to protest at Simon Cowell?! And you accuse me of missing the point? All you've done is choose one marketing campaign over the other. They were every bit as manipulating as each over; it was just a case of which bullshit campaign would you fall for. If you don't like the music that Cowell puts out there, don't friggin' buy it !! That's the ultimate protest.
BTW - that 'whoosh' sound actually came out of my speakers. How the Hell did you do that? ![]() ![]() I don't need to buy the single as I already own the self-titled album, and have done for seven years. I support what the campaign is about. As I've already explained, it wasn't about the band, it was about spoiling the Xmas number one. That was done. Don't see what's so complicated about it. Go back and read the first post. :sleep: |
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it's like the sheep that bought to Joe's single
vs the sheep that bought RATM It's a joke really, i would have been very happy if a single had beaten xfactor fair and square because it was a great song but not because of a facebook campaign. It's just worrying how many people can not think for themselves these days . Now lets look at it, when was the number 1 spot in the UK chart relevant? Most bands/artists do not care for the position anymore, they make more money on tours and really to be a great successful band/artist you need to go out on tour. the number 1 spot has been a joke for years and does not represent anything. As mentioned ina previous post, there seems to be a fixation on the number 1 like it means something... when it doesn't, any Joe (pun intended) can have a top 5 hit... can they go out and sell on tour? That's the main question and true test. Coming back to this argument however, without this internet campaign X-Factor would be number 1. Really the internet just did exactly what Simon Cowell has been doing for years, exploiting the charts. The protest is more of telling Simon Cowell, that he isn't special or unique. Given its day he isn't all that powerful. People can take back the charts and decide what they want for number 1. Also if this was about music (which the number 1 spot hardily represents anyways) neither RATM or X-Factor would be in the top 40. Just a question though, when was the last time a rock band got to number 1 in this country?... as far as I remember its been full of rubbish plus Kings of Leon for the past 4 years. |
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how about buying a single you like rather that buying something someone has told you to. I find the whole think funny and ironic ![]()
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It's a joke really, i would have been very happy if a single had beaten xfactor fair and square because it was a great song but not because of a facebook campaign.
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it's like the sheep that bought to Joe's single
vs the sheep that bought RATM It's a joke really, i would have been very happy if a single had beaten xfactor fair and square because it was a great song but not because of a facebook campaign. It's just worrying how many people can not think for themselves these days .
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That whole "think" is funny when you consider you just made up the OP buying the single.
![]() And did i spell a word wrong ?, shall i go through all your posts and point out your mistakes
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The X Factor song was beaten fair and square, more people downloaded KITN than buy 'The Climb'. Nothing unfair about it.
Now lets look at it, when was the number 1 spot in the UK chart relevant? Most bands/artists do not care for the position anymore, they make more money on tours and really to be a great successful band/artist you need to go out on tour. the number 1 spot has been a joke for years and does not represent anything. As mentioned ina previous post, there seems to be a fixation on the number 1 like it means something... when it doesn't, any Joe (pun intended) can have a top 5 hit... can they go out and sell on tour? That's the main question and true test. Coming back to this argument however, without this internet campaign X-Factor would be number 1. Really the internet just did exactly what Simon Cowell has been doing for years, exploiting the charts. The protest is more of telling Simon Cowell, that he isn't special or unique. Given its day he isn't all that powerful. People can take back the charts and decide what they want for number 1. Also if this was about music (which the number 1 spot hardily represents anyways) neither RATM or X-Factor would be in the top 40. Just a question though, when was the last time a rock band got to number 1 in this country?... as far as I remember its been full of rubbish plus Kings of Leon for the past 4 years. When i said fair and square i meant being no.1 without a silly internet campaign, but as it is they are both as bad as each other. |
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Elaborate please.
RATM were no.1 because of a facebook group not because of the music which is no different than if Joe was no.1. Tv campaign vs Internet campaign Music had very little to do with it. People should have there own minds and not get brainwashed |
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it's like the sheep that bought to Joe's single
vs the sheep that bought RATM It's a joke really, i would have been very happy if a single had beaten xfactor fair and square because it was a great song but not because of a facebook campaign. It's just worrying how many people can not think for themselves these days . |
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This incident has proved that the chart-obsessed public really don't have the first idea of what the RATM campaign was about.
It was clearly a stand against the monopolist cookie-cutter manufacturing agents like Cowell. Joe didn't even write his own song, for gods sake. He even covered a song that was made this year. That's not music, have the inspiration to write songs about what YOU want, don't get some idiot to write them for you. X-factor is ENTERTAINMENT, not music. RATM are NOT a new band and have been around for 18 years, since the birth of Joe. They got popular for their music, they were not manufactured in competitions like X-Factor. If you're a good "artist" you can get popular on your own without the help of fat-cats like Simon Cowell. Many bands/singers have done it. So it didn't matter if the no.1 song was RATM, Michael Jackson, even GARY GLITTER. Music should be about music and that's what the campaign represented. Michael Jacko's earlier career was WORSE than xfactor, he and his brothers were trawled around each and every talent show going at the time in a bid to make them famous. If Xfactor had exsisted in the 60s then the Jackson Five would have entered it for sure! Furthermore Jackson did not "write" any of his songs, not in the sense that RATM did. Sure he may be credited for writing some of the lyrics but the song, melody, beat etc (the things you actually like/remember from his songs) were composed by writers. When people say they don't like "manufactured acts" what they really mean is they don't like NEW pop acts essentially. |
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Nobody will remember who RATM again in a few months time.
The same might apply for Joe, however, but only time will tell. Alexandra and JLS are still in the charts, a year after their series of the X Factor ended, and have both had 2 number ones. |
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Nobody will remember who RATM again in a few months time.
The same might apply for Joe, however, but only time will tell. Alexandra and JLS are still in the charts, a year after their series of the X Factor ended, and have both had 2 number ones. One of the oddest things in this whole "battle" is the constant implication that RATM are some small time band that have been propelled to stardom by an internet campaign. Make no mistake about it, RATM have achieved far more in their time than any of the X-Factor winners have or likely ever will. Is Joe McElderry really going to have two number one albums in the U.S.? Is he going to release multiple platinum selling records in the U.S., Australia and Canada? Will he be touring the world playing to tens of thousands of people at every gig? He'll be lucky if he achieves a fraction of that in his career. |
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It may have been posted elsewhere, but this is a handy link to post in response to anyone who doesn't understand the ideals behind the RATM campaign.
http://saveourmusicindustry.com/ |
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RATM were no.1 because of a facebook group not because of the music which is no different than if Joe was no.1.
Tv campaign vs Internet campaign Music had very little to do with it. People should have there own minds and not get brainwashed It was irrelevant what song or indeed what band was chosen to disrupt the ''guaranteed'' No.1 Xmas spot for an X-Factor contestant. It was just a campaign designed to upset the motion of manufactured drone-like pop acts that have been force fed to the British public over the past decade on a massive scale not seen before. It was a social statement to choose that song in particular more for it's lyrical content than anything else. |
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Nobody will remember who RATM again in a few months time.
The same might apply for Joe, however, but only time will tell. Alexandra and JLS are still in the charts, a year after their series of the X Factor ended, and have both had 2 number ones. |
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People have been listening to RATM for almost 20 years, I think it's fair to say the huge numbers of people who were listening to them before this campaign started aren't going to forget who they are in the next few months.
One of the oddest things in this whole "battle" is the constant implication that RATM are some small time band that have been propelled to stardom by an internet campaign. Make no mistake about it, RATM have achieved far more in their time than any of the X-Factor winners have or likely ever will. Is Joe McElderry really going to have two number one albums in the U.S.? Is he going to release multiple platinum selling records in the U.S., Australia and Canada? Will he be touring the world playing to tens of thousands of people at every gig? He'll be lucky if he achieves a fraction of that in his career. Not sure why people think Rage are a nobody band they are massive Apart from the album successes you mentioned they have won 2 grammys. Their self titled debut album was #368 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time. They have headlined Cochella, Reading, Lollapalooza among others..had their music used films and games like the Matrix. Lets match that with Joes achievements.. Won X Factor Got a #2 singing a Miley Cyrus song I just cannot work out whos bigger...maybe Louis Walsh can help me |
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Hang on why are you mentioning Jackson if you don't like manufactured acts who don't write their own music?
Michael Jacko's earlier career was WORSE than xfactor, he and his brothers were trawled around each and every talent show going at the time in a bid to make them famous. If Xfactor had exsisted in the 60s then the Jackson Five would have entered it for sure! Furthermore Jackson did not "write" any of his songs, not in the sense that RATM did. Sure he may be credited for writing some of the lyrics but the song, melody, beat etc (the things you actually like/remember from his songs) were composed by writers. When people say they don't like "manufactured acts" what they really mean is they don't like NEW pop acts essentially. And you missed the point, it doesn't matter who the act was, as long as it wasn't X-Factor. If you're comparing Michael Jackson to these manufactured dummies on a TV program watched by 20m people each week then you have issues. |
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