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Regretfully Nick it is a consequence of the wonderful theme of 'Competition'..
I once used to serve on BSI committees.. There was no nonsense then.. However..since the buzzword of 'Privatisation'.. Has anyone ever linked up 2 different company DECT phones?? Why should any one company make it easy for competitors in an adjacent field to use their equipment as an open tube? Humax seems to have got into a market and established a name for itself..I am progressively delighted with mine.. On the Audio front i was appalled to find Home Cinema Specifications of Top brands shown as +/- 10dB @10%THD.. Now that makes for easy harmonisation. Don't it?
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The thing with HDMi is that it has HDCP copy protection active on it. So when the HDR comes out of standby it has to 'handshake' with the device it's connected to, to make sure it's allowed to send the signal to it.
See http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/hdmi1.htm If the TV doesn't respond properly then the HDR will quite rightly refuse to send it the signal. There are often other ways of 'resetting' the HDMI interface such as unplugging the HDMI interface or switching the TV off and on again. Mike |
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Would making sure HDCP enable in the TV settings of the Humax box make a difference. Is in enabled or diabled?
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Regretfully Nick it is a consequence of the wonderful theme of 'Competition'..
I once used to serve on BSI committees.. There was no nonsense then.. However..since the buzzword of 'Privatisation'.. I don't directly work with the HDMI standard but I sit on a number of different industry standardisation committees, and recently I was elected chair of one, the issue that manufacturers currently have is that it is easy to interpret a many-hundred page specification in various ways. A deeper specification can reduce ambiguity but it can promote mistakes in other ways. But I don't know if it is still worse when, to satisfy the demands of different companies, we have to leave room to move. It is perhaps easy to write a specification when you are defining something which is physical but when you add software into the mix you dramatically increase the permutations. In my experience it can be some of the more established brands who can be the biggest barrier to constrained levels of detail that would reduce ambiguities. One of my biggest frustrations is that many organisations have professional meeting attendees for standards decisions and many don't have the authority to make decisions on behalf of their company without first referring to higher authorities. The current UK D-Book alone has around 650 pages, in 27 chapters and 5 appendixes. But it refers to another 142 other documents to complete the detail for everything from numeric keypad button adaptation for tactile feedback (the raised nub on button 5) to HDMI. |
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You have my Sympathy Bob..
I finished up there as a Chair of a 'Disputes Committee' I can Still here that phrasing in my sleep.. "Para 123.. Sub section abc ..REVISITED! [Yet again]! I bet the 'Principal' Civil Servant.. Oops.. Ofcom Rep.. is still saying a dozen times a day.." I hear what you say" Weeks and weeks of tiny progress on an item now unknown to the Masses and forgotten by the Few.. I refer to the 'REN Limit' on Telephone Lines. I now realise how Parochial [Of the Time] the issue was since getting involved as a 'very much Silver' Satelliter... and when next year we have 3D Demos you too may have cause to reflect in a similar manner.. 'Til then keep up the good work and valuable dis-semination.. it is very much appreciated. Stan |
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Cheap cable sorted the HDMI connection for me
Hi, just to mention that my Humax and Panasonic TX-L32G10B combo wouldn't show anything at all via the HDMI inputs until I bought a cheap (five pounds, inc delivery) 2m HDMI cable from the Amazon Basics range. Apparently, some cables aren't fully wired, so I took a gamble when I read someone say that this cable had got the Vieira link working. For me, it sorted the HDMI connection immediately, with no other changes made.
I'd been using what was, apparently, a genuine Panasonic cable previously.
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Regretfully Nick it is a consequence of the wonderful theme of 'Competition'..
I once used to serve on BSI committees.. There was no nonsense then.. : |
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HDMI is just an expensive PITA that we unfortunately have to pay for
as Bob-cat says, the HDMI spec is there to force what would in electronic terms be a piece of wire from A->B into a complicated (and expensive for consumers) rigmorole that is expensive and error prone.
I have a Sony S370 and a Humax foxsat HDR plugged into a yamaha RX-V767 in turn connected to a big screen and a small screen. The Sony works flawlessly, but the humax refuses to talk 1080i with HD broadcasts if both outputs from the yamaha are turned on (both screens are - well claim to be - fully HDMI / HDCP compliant). My chances of fixing this problem? zero I suspect given that each manufacturer will just blame the other. |
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Anyone find a robust fix for handshaking issue. Been living with a sound issue for ages. If watching an HD channel and switch tv off or to a different input when switch back to humax sound is lost. The vformat button does fix it but still it's a pain.
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Anyone find a robust fix for handshaking issue. Been living with a sound issue for ages. If watching an HD channel and switch tv off or to a different input when switch back to humax sound is lost. The vformat button does fix it but still it's a pain.
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If that is your only pain, be thankfull
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I have the opposite issue. If the TV is switched to its Foxsat input before the Foxsat is turned on then handshaking sometimes fails. Switching the TV away from and then back fixes it.
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I feel distinctly odd...
No, I'm not going for the record of reviving old threads (three years since the last post!), but have stumbled across this thread in searching for a solution for a new problem with my Humax FOXSAT HDR. (I didn't even realise at first that it was me that had started this thread back in 2009, even though I was thinking, 'what a coincidence, I had one of those 50" Orion plasma screens'!)
Anyway, that TV turned out to be a pile of garbage (spent £350 getting it repaired, only for it to develop the same fault a few months later - just after the guarantee on the repair had run out). Then bought a Panasonic 50" plasma screen, and it has been working perfectly with my Humax box for years and years. Over the last few weeks, though, I'm finding that there is no picture or sound from the STB: as before, the box turns on, info appears on the LED screen (I can change channels, list media, get the EPG, menu, etc.) but nothing comes through to the TV. Occasionally it has worked OK, but then would pack up after a few minutes and now I can't even get that. I have tried the suggestions made here (TV on first, switching off at the back, removing and reconnecting the HDMI lead) but nothing's fixing it. I have assumed that it's just my Humax STB getting old and needing replacing, but I'm searching for answers here because, a) there's loads of unwatched films (etc.) stuck on the box and, b) the fact that it looks like it's working normally (judging by the LED display) makes me reluctant to just give up on it. Any answers? |
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Have you tried replacing the HDMI lead?
Have you plugged into every HDMI socket on the TV just in case one is broken? Try turning off HDMI control on the TV. This will mean having to select the HDMI input manually but sometimes HDMI control can be flakey and end up doing all kinds of stuff you don't want it to! If the TV has a SCART socket try connecting the Humax via SCART to see if that gives a picture. If it does then check the set-up of the HDMI output. Try various options just in case there is some incompatibility. Unlikely if it has worked but you never know. Some TVs wouldn't work with 1080p over HDMI so if yours is like that and the Humax somehow got switched that might explain it. If you can't get anything over HDMI regardless of set-up, lead used, HDMI socket on TV used, then you need to determine if it is the TV or the Humax at fault. Which means substituting one or the other for a know working device. For example swap the Humax for a DVD or Blu-Ray player you know works over HDMI and check you can get that on the lead(s) you use with the Humax and on any TV socket. Or try the Humax on a TV you know works over HDMI. |
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Thanks, Chris. have tried the easy things (swapping TV socket) but accessing the back of the Humax box to swap leads requires two people (it's a tight squeeze in a massive piece of far eastern furniture, upon which sits the very heavy 50" plasma TV!). Will try all the other options when possible...
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The easier option might be to plug something into the HDMI sockets on the TV if they are easier to get at to make sure they are working. That will at least give you a pointer as to where the fault may lie.
If you can't get any picture from a DVD/Blu-Ray or whatever on any HDMI socket on the TV then that might mean you don't have to demolish the house to get at the Humax
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The only other device I have in the house which uses an HDMI lead is a Google Chromecast streaming device, which works perfectly in either of the two HDMI sockets at the back of the Panasonic screen (I've just checked it again!). I think the fault lies at the Humax STB end: it is about 8 years old...
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Sadly, nothing lasts forever, but I do believe that the earlier Humax kit is better built than what's on offer now. 8 years is good, the same age as my oldest Humax box, which apart from the odd green-screen HDMI connection, which is down to my TV I think, is still trundling on.
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I'd been using what was, apparently, a genuine Panasonic cable previously.