True, hence the sex pun. I think the point being made is if people are in denial, you can separate all of his comments in that little speech he makes and deduce that a) he got married but not necessarily to Queen Bess (although he mentions her straight after) and b) that the nickname he means isn't necessarily the Virgin Queen (although that makes for a joke rather than just that she was Bad Queen Bess or some other variation perhaps).

For me, he married Lizzie, had her and then ran off and left her, hence the scene in TSC. He was probably a little BlackAdderish in his seduction!

Yes, but he would have been given a basic outline of what the story is to entail by RTD.

Moffatt would have taken that information and crafted amazing stories around them.

Probably picked that up when he was the 8th Doctor (the "real" one, not the one in the movie. )


Moffat's first work was a kid's show that was all about the sexual tension between the two lead characters.

He went on to create a show about the sex lives of young singles in Coupling.

He made Jack Harkness a more sexual creature than RTD had envisioned.

While it may not involve the Doctor and his companion(s), I think Series 5 will be at least as sexual as any that preceded it.

RTD would'nt have suggested romance with Madam Du Pompadour though when he was building up the Rose/Dr relationship, I think its confirmed that was Moffat's little rebellion against that

You can't pin every terrible thing you don't like about Dr Who on to RTD and expect the Moffat era to be all sunshine and light, it's largely going to be the same again, albiet with a new Doctor and companion

Where/when was this confirmed? I sort of assumed the Doctor was acting like a petulant teenager- snogging the next girl he sees because Rose brought her (ex-?)boyfriend along.

bad bad queen bess, he he

Well it's hard to remember, so many articles, so many forum posts, so many "Well, it's not official but this is what I heard.." type scenarios it all blurs into one.
I'm sure I read it though, and on HERE, so hopefully someone will confirm for me at some point!

Mickey is an interesting point in the history of Dr Who, Rose being the typical girl, lusting after someone new and potentially better for her while still wanting the safety and security of a relationship, any relationship...just in case the guy she's jonesing for doesn't return her affections.

She's the time travelling embodyment of the "girl moving to uni and finds new boys while still not having the guts to break up with her long term boyfriend back home" notion really

But -

The Doctor was the one to invite Mickey on board (in series 1) and since he was scared, asked to Doctor to forbid him to come in front of Rose so he could save face.

In Series 2, he changes his mind and asks to come because "he's not the tin dog" - and Rose doesn't look at all pleased about it.

I thought the Doctor inviting Mickey in S2 was because he'd had enough of Rose's psycho girlfrriend act to be honest! He saw the way she looked at Sarah Jane and thought "I need to cool her off!". I've never been convinced of Ten's love for Rose, especially when he had the massive love affair type thing with Reinette. He was still shoving Rose aside in "The Impossible Planet" when she started on at him about mortgages!

Ah, but that moment when they were separated in Doomsday gives the lie to any such idea.

Tears of joy, friend, tears of joy.

No, seriously, I can't go along with amos_brearley's interpretation. And factually, the invitation to Mickey came in Series 1, Episode 5, from 9. Rose invited him a minute later in the same episode, and the Doctor, to save face for Mickey, said he couldn't come.

By the time Mickey joined up, in School Reunion, I don't think 10 cared one way or another if he came, and Rose hoped he wouldn't.

I do think it's unfair that she never directly broke up with him, at least on screen, when she knew how much he loved her (as seen in Boom Town)

Seriously? If my best friend were trapped in a parallel universe and I'd never EVER see them again I'd be devastated - tears, snot, the lot. Doesn't mean I want to get jiggy or get a lovenest with him!

Nine might have invited Mickey along, but Ten needs to issue his own invite in my opinion! Different Doctors don't always go for the same companions. Seven couldn't get rid of Mel quick enough and whilst Five died for Peri, Six was downright horrible to her for a long time (despite loving her deep down - perhaps because of the life she cost him? ). Nine was repeatedly mean to Mickey whilst slowly growing to tolerate him whilst Ten definitely got on a whole heap better with him.

I'm really glad that Mickey and Rose barely interacted in TSE/JE as she'd been awful to him for a good few series now! It was clear he and Jackie had salvaged a friendship from it, but that Rose had messed him around too much!

But Ten never did. Mickey asked if he could come.

Still refutes the idea that he was fed up of her and wanted rid of her, even so.

Never said he wanted rid of her, dunnno where that idea came from.

Your post above, #34, could be taken that way, although I guess that isn't what you meant - you meant more "cool her down" than "get rid of her," right?

You were right.

We know that the Doctor is a cad by the way that he treated Jack, abandoning him on the satellite. That being a given, even if the Doctor did marry GQB, there isn't really any reason to think that he consummated it. Maybe there was something that he needed her to do and the price she demanded was for him to marry her, and as soon as she did it, he took off. That would explain why she was so p.o'd with him. Hell hath no greater fury than a woman scorned. I don't think that the Doctor would marry someone, do the deed, and then abandon them. Then again, I didn't think that he would ever abandon a companion. Take them home and be done with them like he did Adam, yes, but not just leave them to fend for themselves hundreds of thousands of years from home.


I confess that there is no Captain save Jack Harkness and that John Barrowman is his Avatar.

I'm not going to argue with you Amos. You have your own opinions and views. I respect that. Not going to try and change your mind.

But, I would like to point out, regarding the Reinette thing, that it is possible to be in love with two people at once. Problem pages in the newspapers are full of letters about it.

Just throwing that in there.

Except for the fact that he strongly implied that he did consummate it. There really isn't any reason to think that he didn't.

Just popped to say I have to agree with you; I really think it was implied, and quite strongly too, that he done the business with "GQB". Right, popping out now...happy new year

If he did, he's an even bigger piece of Dreck than I had believed. Happy New Year to you too.

As NewbieCanuck guessed, I had read your post at 34 as implying that.