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Old 29-12-2009, 09:26
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JLS - 943,000
Cheryl Cole - 608,000
Leona Lewis (Echo) - 549,000

so far its JLS who's going to get the first million this year I still can't quite believe this tbh

but over xmas people brought more of Cheryl's album than Leona

mine you she's only 59,000 behind but still puzzling.
Is it because Lele had a crap first single or the XF effect
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Old 29-12-2009, 09:55
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I never thought i'd brand JLS this but IMO they are overrated crap.

If i hear them sing 'everybody in love' one more time i think i'll have to smash the TV up. They have a new single for gosh sake and they are still singing that rubbish!? I even used to like 'beat again' but it's just to .... i can't describe.

In all fairness I kinda have liked them etc so it's not as if i'm an immediate hater. But please, the dodgy choreography, the mediocre songs. The only thing keeping these sales up are girls who 'think they are bare fit'.

Cheryl Cole has had more attention musically this year than Leona (i thought anyway) so maybe that's why. However, they've all done well- incl JLS.
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Old 29-12-2009, 10:16
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Cheryl's album is doing shockingly well.

People say it's down to her being on The X Factor - but Girls Aloud and Cheryl were on the show last year and their album didn't do as well. Out of Control sold 632,103 by August this year, i.e. Cheryl is only 22k behind with 8 months to go. And GA had a third single and a tour to help their sales before then

They also performed on the show in 2007 (Call The Shots) and again, their album didn't sell as well as this has, selling only 450,500 copies by August this year.

I think its down to single choices really, Happy was a poor lead single whereas FFTL was brilliant. Very catchy, very radio friendly - it stuck in your head. Its still in the top 15 now 10 weeks after its release, it actually climbed 3 places this week.

Happy on the other hand will be out of the top 40 this week, despite a 3 week advantage over Cheryl.

The thing is that the actual winner of the show seems to have been overlooked, her album sales are currently at 470k, so JLS are selling nearly double and they didn't win. I don't think that reflects well on the show, everytime Louis bought it up on The Xtra Factor Simon quickly shut him up!
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Old 29-12-2009, 10:33
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Record sales don't necessarily equal level of talent. If that was the case, bands like Elbow who are one of the most critically acclaimed of their generation would be trashing acts like JLS in sales.

JLS have filled a gap in the market. They are quite happy to lift their shirts in videos and pose topless to cater for their teenage fans. I would imagine that Leona Lewis will still be around long after JLS have been replaced by the next teenage sensation - look at Will Young and Gareth Gates.

You can't really compare JLS with Leona - boyband and female solo act have very different markets. Thousands of screaming girl fans are not going to buy Leona's album in droves. Having said that, Leona has far more chance of maintaining her fanbase long term, as the young girls that JLS are quite obviously marketed at are notoriously fickle and not going to give them a long term future. Leona is also an international artist, and her overseas sales will more than make up the gap in sales in the UK.

As far as JLS outselling Alex at the moment being bad for the show, the majority of people who watch the x-factor do so purely for Saturday night entertainment and have moved on long ago. It will have no effect on the perception of the show for most, as they don't take it seriously as a vehicle for good music. Alex still has an international release to add to her UK sales, and again I would think that along with Leona she has much more long-term potential as her core fanbase are not hysterical teenagers who think she's 'fit'.

As for Cheryl, there's no real comparison between her and Leona in terms of vocal talent. I don't see her maintaining a long term solo career much either.
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Old 29-12-2009, 10:36
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Record sales don't necessarily equal level of talent. If that was the case, bands like Elbow who are one of the most critically acclaimed of their generation would be trashing acts like JLS in sales.

JLS have filled a gap in the market. They are quite happy to lift their shirts in videos and pose topless to cater for their teenage fans..
WOW very dismissive of JLS, but I think seven straight week of 100k sales is not all down to screaming girls
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Old 29-12-2009, 10:40
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But Cheryl Cole has a 2 weeks sales advantage over Leona....you can only really compare the sales if they were out the same time. It's clear thar if they were out the same time Leona would be selling more than Cheryl.
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Old 29-12-2009, 10:47
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WOW very dismissive of JLS, but I think seven straight week of 100k sales is not all down to screaming girls
I'm not being dismissive of JLS. Like I said, they have filled a gap in the market, but the facts are they do a lot of shirt-lifting and ripping their shirts off during club performances, and they pose topless rather a lot. They will have fans of all ages, but their core fan base is teenage girls. It's very clear that is what they are being marketed at - how many people over a certain age are going to buy sticker books or really want to see topless pictures of their favourite music artist? If they want to have longevity then they need to change their strategy a bit and focus less on this market.
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Old 29-12-2009, 11:23
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But Cheryl Cole has a 2 weeks sales advantage over Leona....you can only really compare the sales if they were out the same time. It's clear thar if they were out the same time Leona would be selling more than Cheryl.
Not when Cheryl is higher in the charts. She is just increasing the gap
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Old 29-12-2009, 11:27
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Cheryl's album is doing shockingly well.

People say it's down to her being on The X Factor - but Girls Aloud and Cheryl were on the show last year and their album didn't do as well. Out of Control sold 632,103 by August this year, i.e. Cheryl is only 22k behind with 8 months to go. And GA had a third single and a tour to help their sales before then

They also performed on the show in 2007 (Call The Shots) and again, their album didn't sell as well as this has, selling only 450,500 copies by August this year.

I think its down to single choices really, Happy was a poor lead single whereas FFTL was brilliant. Very catchy, very radio friendly - it stuck in your head. Its still in the top 15 now 10 weeks after its release, it actually climbed 3 places this week.

Happy on the other hand will be out of the top 40 this week, despite a 3 week advantage over Cheryl.

The thing is that the actual winner of the show seems to have been overlooked, her album sales are currently at 470k, so JLS are selling nearly double and they didn't win. I don't think that reflects well on the show, everytime Louis bought it up on The Xtra Factor Simon quickly shut him up!
Out of control did do well actually. It went double platinum within months and was actually in the top 10 of the best selling albums of 08. It's their best selling album of their careers if you exclude the triple platinum GH.
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Old 29-12-2009, 11:34
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WOW very dismissive of JLS, but I think seven straight week of 100k sales is not all down to screaming girls
The JLS album was released with 5 different covers, and many of their crazed fans went out and bought all of them. Those sales are hardly down to their songs being any good. I just can't see anything about JLS that makes them any better than any other manufactured boyband that have come and gone in the last 10 years or so.

I actually thought they were good on X Factor, and they had potential. But I just think Epic (their record label) simply saw an ideal opportunity to make a quick few quid - young boyband, already famous thanks to a tv show, loved by young girls who watch the show. So what do they do with them? Manufacture them into (yet another) packaged boyband aimed directly at selling to those fans - the cheesy songs, the silly dancing, the image. I'm not denying that they can probably sing well and they seem like nice lads, but I can't help feeling that if they really were passionate about making good music they would of wanted to go with a more mature image, but as it is now, they're selling records like mad to (mostly) young girls and they probably aren't bothered.
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Old 29-12-2009, 11:36
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[quote=kutox;37535144]The JLS album was released with 5 different covers, and many of their crazed fans went out and bought all of them. Those sales are hardly down to their songs being any good. I just can't see anything about JLS that makes them any better than any other manufactured boyband that have come and gone in the last 10 years or so.

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that won't fly NOT AFTER 7 WEEKS OF 100K
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Old 29-12-2009, 11:46
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Ok, conveniently ignore everything else I said.
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Old 29-12-2009, 11:49
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Like i said, JLS = Manufactured overrated CRAP.
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Old 29-12-2009, 11:56
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Like i said, JLS = Manufactured overrated CRAP.

The thing is, they are not really over-rated, not within the industy anyway. The vast majority of the music critics gave their album not very favourable reviews - even DS who usually love x-factor releases. I don't think anyone really thinks they have produced a high quality album, yet people still buy it in droves. Cheryl's album was also slated by most, but continues to outsell both Leona and Alex who both had overall good reviews - Alex's album in particular got good reviews from some of the broadsheets who normally trash any reality tv releases. The quality of the product does not necessarily translate to album sales. If it did, then Florence and the Machine would be outselling all of the x-factor releases this year.
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Old 29-12-2009, 12:20
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JLS = please leave our lives.
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Old 29-12-2009, 13:26
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Not when Cheryl is higher in the charts. She is just increasing the gap
Yes because Cheryl has a top 5 single at the moment so obviously her album will be higher in the charts. Leona's second single doesn't come out until next year so her album will fall until that starts going.
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Old 29-12-2009, 13:39
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Surely no sane-minded person would ever suggest that Cheryl Cole is a more talented vocalist than Leona? And Echo is a far superior album than Three Words. It all goes back to talent and quality of material not being the deciding factor when looking at sales.
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Old 29-12-2009, 14:06
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Surely no sane-minded person would ever suggest that Cheryl Cole is a more talented vocalist than Leona? And Echo is a far superior album than Three Words. It all goes back to talent and quality of material not being the deciding factor when looking at sales.
yes and no

yes LeLe is way better singer than CC
but she is a poorer performer

and even with a massive hit like FFTL (which was way better than Happy) CC still managed to get a second single out before the end of the year, what the hell was LeLe waiting for
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Old 29-12-2009, 14:15
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I own both albums, and If I am honest I listen to Cheryl's more.. Leona's album is great but its too samey.. slow ballads minus the few up-tempos(which she should release as people would be shocked and would buy the album to seem if any other up-tempos are on it).. I think Leona's album sales are lower than expected because even though Spirit was a great album it was all slow songs and I loved spirit but I can't put that album on all the time as I have to be in a certain mood. I feel people think Echo will be the same as spirit so didn't buy the album. Whereas with Cheryl's 3 Words you can listen to that to cheer you up, get ready to.. baisically you can listen to her album at anytime..

And its not based on singing talent or vocal ability its based on song choices and what songs are on the album.. I think FFTL was a great song choice.. Happy; not so much..
I hope that makes sense
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Old 29-12-2009, 14:18
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yes and no

yes LeLe is way better singer than CC
but she is a poorer performer

and even with a massive hit like FFTL (which was way better than Happy) CC still managed to get a second single out before the end of the year, what the hell was LeLe waiting for
To some degree, yes. She can't perform up-tempo numbers like Cheryl, but Leona has the ability to deliver performances that make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. I very much doubt that Cheryl could ever deliver a performance like Leona's x-factor 'Run', or 'Summertime'.

So I'd say they both have different strengths when it comes to performing. Cheryl can give the high impact dance routines but Leona's are far more memorable.


Cheryl's record label have obviously released a quick second single whilst Chery's profile is still high from the latest series of the x-factor. If they left it till Feb/March she might have less impact.
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Old 29-12-2009, 14:24
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Cheryl's label is the same one as Girls Aloud and they're following the exact same formula, expect a third single in March/April time and that'll be it for the album.

Cheryl will then go off back to GA who'll record their new album over the summer and release it in October for the cycle to start all over again. They've been doing the same thing for nearly a decade now
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Old 29-12-2009, 14:32
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Girls Aloud will not have a new album out this year next year. Nadine still has her solo stuff to come out yet and she won't be putting that on hold for the band. tbh I think Girls Aloud are not long off splitting.

Cheryl's success is also sure to start to decline after 2010 because she is getting older now and this is how the whole thing works. Its only the truly big names that can continue musical success into their 30s and she isn't one of them.
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Old 29-12-2009, 15:04
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I agree with you on the first comment you said.
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Old 29-12-2009, 15:06
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JLS = please leave our lives.
I'm not fan of JLS however, I find it particuarly hyprocritical that you as a Cheryl Cole fan is calling them overrated crap, when Cheryl fits that exact description.
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Old 29-12-2009, 15:15
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I actually thought they were good on X Factor, and they had potential. But I just think Epic (their record label) simply saw an ideal opportunity to make a quick few quid - young boyband, already famous thanks to a tv show, loved by young girls who watch the show. So what do they do with them? Manufacture them into (yet another) packaged boyband aimed directly at selling to those fans - the cheesy songs, the silly dancing, the image.
What I actually find extraordinary about JLS's success is that record companies had pretty much given up on Boybands- every couple of years there is the odd attempt at launching one, but I can't think of one that launched successfully since Busted and McFly, and they were different because they appealed to boys and girls.

But old fashioned as they are, they're selling in droves, and good luck to them!
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