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Old 03-01-2010, 23:35
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Sorry,must have missed it.
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Old 03-01-2010, 23:36
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Can you extrapalate information properly? I've mentioned specific tracks, not claimed that Goldfrapp and Katy Perry are wholly influenced by Glitter. And I've detailed what influenced the tracks I mention. Trying reading my words one more time.

Bowie is NOT innovative at all musically.
gary glitter influence in 'oh la la'?... only in the way they dress in the video... glitter never used synths, but ill tell you which track it DOES sound like.... canned heat 'on the road again', 1968.

'i kissed a girl...' in what was does that pay homage to rock n roll? it sounds just like any other guitar pop track with a beat... yep thats hundereds of them! id suggest it sounds more like chicory tips 'son of my father' but without the stylophone!

drum beats have featured heavily in pop since the dawn of rock n roll, from sandy nelson, through the dave clarke 5, and even into dave dee dozy beaky mick and tich.. to suggest that gg invented the sound is completely inaccurate.
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Old 03-01-2010, 23:38
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Sorry,must have missed it.
band members having 1 misdemeanour... not quite the same as gary glitters list of serious offences, just check his entry in wiki...
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Old 03-01-2010, 23:53
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with the greatest respect, that is the most idiotic thing ive ever seen posted on the internet.
Agreed!
If the internet was a 50 year project to find the depths of human stupidity, they'd be shutting up shop and posting their results 20 years early.
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Old 04-01-2010, 00:06
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Bowie is NOT innovative at all musically.
oh, come on...

are you wholly and entirely serious?
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Old 04-01-2010, 00:37
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THATS IT! thats the first occassion id read about him having an interest in little kids... 8 years old ffs... thank you for posting that.
I found this. Its from The News of the World. I don't know if it was this where I read it from or a magazine?



'I want his girl to help me nail dad'
A woman who claims she was raped by Gary Glitter when she was just EIGHT is begging the pervert's own DAUGHTER to help her cage him for life.
Justine Ackroyd, 42, says she was attacked while sharing a childhood sleepover with her best friend, the disgraced pop star's girl Sarah, at his West Sussex mansion.

But 20 years later, when police tried to prosecute Glitter in 1998 for the alleged offence, Sarah refused to testify against her dad-and the case was thrown out.

Yet Justine is still determined to bring him to justice.

Speaking from the Bahamas where she is on holiday, she said: "I've been through it all before and it was horrendous. But I'd do it again with Sarah on board.

"But if Sarah won't speak to me, well, that's that."

One insider told us: "This is the one case that has never gone away.

If Sarah does support Justine, it would be one of the most explosive trials ever-with father and daughter pitted against each other."
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:39
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oh, come on...

are you wholly and entirely serious?
Refer me to some "innovative" tracks of his.
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:41
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gary glitter influence in 'oh la la'?... only in the way they dress in the video... glitter never used synths, but ill tell you which track it DOES sound like.... canned heat 'on the road again', 1968.

'i kissed a girl...' in what was does that pay homage to rock n roll? it sounds just like any other guitar pop track with a beat... yep thats hundereds of them! id suggest it sounds more like chicory tips 'son of my father' but without the stylophone!

drum beats have featured heavily in pop since the dawn of rock n roll, from sandy nelson, through the dave clarke 5, and even into dave dee dozy beaky mick and tich.. to suggest that gg invented the sound is completely inaccurate.
Thanks for the music lesson, mate. Pay close attention to the production and you might appreciate where I'm coming from. This is like wrestling a man with one arm.
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:54
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Refer me to some "innovative" tracks of his.
pick from any of his greatest hits albums.
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Old 04-01-2010, 04:16
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It might be an idea to look up the definition of "innovative". I'm a Bowie fan but it's ridiculous to call his music innovative...he was always a follower of movements.
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Old 04-01-2010, 05:23
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The Eagles need to be added to the list. Don Henley, drummer and singer wasarrested in 1980 for being caught with an under-age girl who had overdosed on cocaine and Quaaludes.

Chuck Berry
Akon
R Kelly (he's been mentioned)

And any film with Rob Lowe - In 1988 Lowe was involved in a sex scandal over a videotape of him having sex with two women, one of whom was 16. (Underage in the States).

And Roman Polanski
And Chris Rock

So we need a definitive list of the stuff the moral minority think we should not watch, read or listen to.

Seriously you can't airbrush somebody out of history - that's what Stalin did in Russia and Hitler in Germany. Gary Glitter is part of music history (not that big but still there).
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Old 04-01-2010, 05:28
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Didn't Oasis use a GG sample on one of there early albums? Long time since I heard it but it was on Definitely Maybe or Morning Glory - part of Hello Hello I'm Back Again IIRC.

So - following the arguement to a logical conclusion we should avoid Oasis as they used the sample before he sold his royalties and therefore supported GG's lifestyle.
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:38
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Thanks for the music lesson, mate. Pay close attention to the production and you might appreciate where I'm coming from. This is like wrestling a man with one arm.
indeed it is, your overblown opinion of glitter and complete lack of knowlege for bowie = game over m8. the production is nothing new, it wasnt something ggs creators invented. goldfrapp and perrys production techniques can be cited as 'tipping a nod' to many of the pasts examples and are NOT tied specifically to anything glitter used.

It might be an idea to look up the definition of "innovative". I'm a Bowie fan but it's ridiculous to call his music innovative...he was always a follower of movements.
utter nonsense, he steered his own course and IS one of our most influencial artists and is respected and cited as such. and just who did he follow during his 'alladin sane, hunky dory, diamond dogs' phase?... lol... NO ONE! id suggest he is second only to lennon/mc cartney and lydon. some would argue that point (and put him higher) ... and get this... IM NOT A FAN OF BOWIE. i have only a couple of his singles, i have no albums, i dont like his material...but i sure as hell recognise a highly talented and creative musician when i hear one.

glitter is a post script in musical history, litterally a two year wonder producing kiddy pop for teenyboppers, he was the subject of much ridicule and was rather a sad pathetic figure. unlike all his glam rivals whos careers lasted much longer and were infinately more successful and respected... t rex, sweet, roxy, slade ... all eclipsed glitter. if theres any direct influence in todays music id suggest its them you look to.. or even better, check out glam rock on wiki.. youll see there just how insignificant glitter really was.
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:42
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The Eagles need to be added to the list. Don Henley, drummer and singer wasarrested in 1980 for being caught with an under-age girl who had overdosed on cocaine and Quaaludes.

Chuck Berry
Akon
R Kelly (he's been mentioned)

And any film with Rob Lowe - In 1988 Lowe was involved in a sex scandal over a videotape of him having sex with two women, one of whom was 16. (Underage in the States).

And Roman Polanski
And Chris Rock

So we need a definitive list of the stuff the moral minority think we should not watch, read or listen to.

Seriously you can't airbrush somebody out of history - that's what Stalin did in Russia and Hitler in Germany. Gary Glitter is part of music history (not that big but still there).
yes he is part of musical history, but such an irrelevant bit part player that we dont need to use his material ... glitter is a serial offender against LITTLE children, not a one off dallience with an under age (but post pubescent) teenager.
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:50
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I found this. Its from The News of the World. I don't know if it was this where I read it from or a magazine?



'I want his girl to help me nail dad'
A woman who claims she was raped by Gary Glitter when she was just EIGHT is begging the pervert's own DAUGHTER to help her cage him for life.
Justine Ackroyd, 42, says she was attacked while sharing a childhood sleepover with her best friend, the disgraced pop star's girl Sarah, at his West Sussex mansion.

But 20 years later, when police tried to prosecute Glitter in 1998 for the alleged offence, Sarah refused to testify against her dad-and the case was thrown out.

Yet Justine is still determined to bring him to justice.

Speaking from the Bahamas where she is on holiday, she said: "I've been through it all before and it was horrendous. But I'd do it again with Sarah on board.

"But if Sarah won't speak to me, well, that's that."

One insider told us: "This is the one case that has never gone away.

If Sarah does support Justine, it would be one of the most explosive trials ever-with father and daughter pitted against each other."
thats interesting, the article i read was i believe written by his daughter and quite disturbingly discribed the actual event. the words went something like... " i knew what dad was doing to my friend, i could hear him in her bed, i knew he was doing to her what he did to me" ..... but i cannot cite that referance, thats only a vague memory from over 20 years ago.... but it was the first time i had read an account of abuse and it was glitter that was the perpetrator.

if a teacher, doctor, mp, or anybody in a position of responsibility was found guilty like glitter was... they would lose their job. never to work again in that sort of position... glitter was guilty, why is it that some fans still chose to ignore this and keep him 'employed' even if its only to stoke up memories?
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Old 04-01-2010, 10:15
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Can you extrapalate information properly? I've mentioned specific tracks, not claimed that Goldfrapp and Katy Perry are wholly influenced by Glitter. And I've detailed what influenced the tracks I mention. Trying reading my words one more time.

Bowie is NOT innovative at all musically.
what garbage Bowie is one of the biggest musical influences out there loads of artist speak of Bowie as their musical influence he is a musical chameleon who has re-invented himself and his music several times you show your musical ignorance in that one statement
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Old 04-01-2010, 10:42
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yes he is part of musical history, but such an irrelevant bit part player that we dont need to use his material ... glitter is a serial offender against LITTLE children, not a one off dallience with an under age (but post pubescent) teenager.
So where do you draw the line?

The people I mentioned had all been accused of breaking the law whether the victim was pre or post pubescent and in some cases served jail time for it. Roman Polanski was accused of having sex with a 13 year old girl which was allegedly consensual. In the USA that is statutory rape regardless. In Spain 13 is the age of consent if it is consensual.

And who dictates that line. The age of consent is set (albeit differently in different areas of the world - centuries ago it was 10 in England and was raised to 12 before it became 16) for a reason. We can't say "he screwed a 14 year old girl but it was alright because she looked 18". (sorry to put it so crudely but I need to make the point).

And do we apply the same criteria to people who murdered children, such as the Moors Murderers, the Soham killers and the Jamie Bulger killers.

Then what about mass murderers/serial killers like the West's, Dennis Neilson or multiple rapists like Peter Sutcliff or the guy who murdered the ipswich prostitutes.

Each of these instances have a reasonable arguement for being removed from history.

We cannot apply double standards within the law. If we are to vilify Glitter (quite rightly) then we must apply the same standards to others who have broken the law. We live in a society that openly mourned Michael Jackson an alleged paedophile and have spent 6 month praising the King Of Pop.

However that is not the point.

Regardless of the crime we do not have the right to eradicate (or airbrush) anybody out of history. To start dictating to people what they can or cannot listen to, look at or read is the fastest route to a extreme political state whether it be communist or fascist. It's like people who want to censor the press, lets dictate to the masses what they can or cannot know.

Mushymanrob - you are correct to ensure that what Gadd did is kept in the public eye as we all to quick forget but with regard to his music there are others involved such as the members of the Glitter Band and the estate of his producer Mike Leander who may well rely on their share of the royalties to live. Plus the records of his music exist, the albums, CD's and Singles are out there - they exist within peoples collections.

He exists, it's there and people need to use their own conscience as to what they do.
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Old 04-01-2010, 18:32
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I've got Gary Glitter's greatest hits and I think his music is great.

As far as I'm concerned I will still listen to his music because I like it BUT I would also like to say to all the people that won't listen to his music anymore that by not listening to it you are not going to take away the pain or memories away of any of the childeren he abused.
Also me listening to it is not going to increase or make the pain any worse.

The top 40 charts has been going since 1952. His records are a part of it's history. Not listening to them is not going to erase them from the charts history

You don't have to like Glitter to like his music.
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Old 04-01-2010, 19:02
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You don't have to like Glitter to like his music.
Agreed. You do need to be sligthly deaf though......because it's rubbish......
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:57
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So where do you draw the line?

The people I mentioned had all been accused of breaking the law whether the victim was pre or post pubescent and in some cases served jail time for it. Roman Polanski was accused of having sex with a 13 year old girl which was allegedly consensual. In the USA that is statutory rape regardless. In Spain 13 is the age of consent if it is consensual.

And who dictates that line. The age of consent is set (albeit differently in different areas of the world - centuries ago it was 10 in England and was raised to 12 before it became 16) for a reason. We can't say "he screwed a 14 year old girl but it was alright because she looked 18". (sorry to put it so crudely but I need to make the point).

And do we apply the same criteria to people who murdered children, such as the Moors Murderers, the Soham killers and the Jamie Bulger killers.

Then what about mass murderers/serial killers like the West's, Dennis Neilson or multiple rapists like Peter Sutcliff or the guy who murdered the ipswich prostitutes.

Each of these instances have a reasonable arguement for being removed from history.

We cannot apply double standards within the law. If we are to vilify Glitter (quite rightly) then we must apply the same standards to others who have broken the law. We live in a society that openly mourned Michael Jackson an alleged paedophile and have spent 6 month praising the King Of Pop.

However that is not the point.

Regardless of the crime we do not have the right to eradicate (or airbrush) anybody out of history. To start dictating to people what they can or cannot listen to, look at or read is the fastest route to a extreme political state whether it be communist or fascist. It's like people who want to censor the press, lets dictate to the masses what they can or cannot know.

Mushymanrob - you are correct to ensure that what Gadd did is kept in the public eye as we all to quick forget but with regard to his music there are others involved such as the members of the Glitter Band and the estate of his producer Mike Leander who may well rely on their share of the royalties to live. Plus the records of his music exist, the albums, CD's and Singles are out there - they exist within peoples collections.

He exists, it's there and people need to use their own conscience as to what they do.
i think your last line answers you initial question. where do you draw the line... im not being chris morris here, though i do think theres a huge difference between sex with an underage girl POST puberty (nature has dictated they are PHYSICALLY old enough) to taking advantage and raping a pre pubescent child. most 14-15 year old girls at least look like young women... children under 12 dont, and nature dictates that many are simply not physically ready for child bearing...


You don't have to like Glitter to like his music.
dont you?... im not so sure i can seperate them and can you really listen to lyrics that could be contrued as a come on to kids?... 'do you wanna touch me'?..

tbh im amazed that after 35 years anybody would still want to listen to his music... it was aimed at teenyboppers then so wtf are adults doing listening to it now? especially if they are parents.. surely you can live without it? surely its past its sell by date... it was never 'good', unlike say bowie or the beatles, it aint relevant today, it has no depth, no meaning...


Agreed. You do need to be sligthly deaf though......because it's rubbish......
lol.. and thats it! in a nutshell.
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:16
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Really enjoyed glam rock at the time. I still listen to David Bowie to this day as I was and still am a big fan of his.
Bands like Sweet, T Rex, David Bowie and the Spiders from Mars Roxy Music, and of course Gary Glitter and the Giltter Band to name but a few.
The music was of its time. The early 1970's. A lot sounds dated now but I still don't find David Bowie's music dated in any way, Still sounds to me as good today as it did back then.
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:52
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... can you really listen to lyrics that could be contrued as a come on to kids?... 'do you wanna touch me'?..

tbh im amazed that after 35 years anybody would still want to listen to his music... it was aimed at teenyboppers then so wtf are adults doing listening to it now? especially if they are parents.. surely you can live without it? surely its past its sell by date... it was never 'good', unlike say bowie or the beatles, it aint relevant today, it has no depth, no meaning....
Glam rock was party music for teenagers and young adults of the early to mid 70s. It is still great for that purpose today. The fact that it also appealed to chart-aware children aping their older siblings was pretty incidental in those days. If you want to hear sexually suggestive lyrics aimed squarely at preteen children, check out any commercially contrived boy band of the most recent 20 years.

Incidentally, re the subject of D Bowie and 'depth and meaning': his magnum opus (IMO) was Life on Mars. Meaning doesn't even come into a discussion of that song: it's just a random collection of phrases he'd scribbled in a notebook in case they ever came in handy.
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Old 05-01-2010, 13:34
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If you want to hear sexually suggestive lyrics aimed squarely at preteen children, check out any commercially contrived boy band of the most recent 20 years.
The difference being that the suggestions are things for the listener to do to their peers, not a bloke 20 years older than them.....
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Old 05-01-2010, 14:51
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The difference being that the suggestions are things for the listener to do to their peers, not a bloke 20 years older than them.....
You might have a point. Nobody seems to play Gilbert O'Sullivan much these days, do they? Still, here's a reminder of a song from a more innocent age when we didn't immediately rush to think the worst of people:

Clair, the moment I met you I swear
I felt as if something somewhere
Had happened to me
Which I couldn't see

And then
The moment I met you again
I knew in my heart that we were friends
It had to be so
It couldn't be no

But try as hard as I might do I don't know why
You get to me in a way I can't describe
Words mean so little when you look up and smile
I don't care what people say,
To me you're more than a child

Oh! Clair, Clair

Clair, if ever a moment so rare
Was captured for all to compare
That moment is you
It's all that you do

But why in spite of our age difference do I cry
Each time I leave you I feel I could die
Nothing means more to me than hearing you say
I'm going to marry you
Will you marry me Uncle Ray?
Oh! Clair, Clair.......
And another contemporary song, which a pan-European selection of musical adjudicators saw no problem with at all:

Save all your kisses for me, even though you're only three.....
Meanwhile, to back up my original point, here's Boyzone on the touchy subject of forbidden relationships — in which I see no indication at all of 'suggestions for things for the listener to do to their peers as opposed to a bloke 20 years older than them':

No matter what they call us
However they attack
No matter where they take us
We'll find our own way back

I can't deny what I believe
I can't be what I'm not...
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Old 05-01-2010, 17:59
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tbh im amazed that after 35 years anybody would still want to listen to his music... it was aimed at teenyboppers then so wtf are adults doing listening to it now? especially if they are parents.. surely you can live without it? surely its past its sell by date... it was never 'good', unlike say bowie or the beatles, it aint relevant today, it has no depth, no meaning...
mushymanrob you are talking rubbish.

You're making it sound that just because music is 35 years old that it's rubbish. If you want to talk about rubbish music let's talk about chart music from the early 90s onwards shall we.

You say Glitters music was never 'good', you say it aint relevant today, it has no depth or no meaning etc.
To be honest I couldn't give a toss whether it has depth, meaning or relevance today. As far as I'm concerned those songs have got great melodies, they're easy to listen to. They're just fun songs.
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