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HOLES in the writing of "End of Time"
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blacktear1992
01-01-2010
As for the TARDIS I believe that cos the Doctor was holding off his Regeneration for so long he was fighting it till the end. TARDIS#s usually help the regeneration, but cos he fought it for so long there was a build up in power- kinda like when you make a dam and then blow it up. Kaboom! Bang goes the TARDIS!

As for the Diamond however.....
playitagain
01-01-2010
and as for changing futures ,it has been explained before that there are fixed points in time which cannot be changed and others more fluid ,so it was always meant to be that they had his intervention.
fastest finger
01-01-2010
Originally Posted by tvmad-alan:
“A Timelord must NOT regenerate in a time machine?

Odo speed in time was told why in the story?

If the Timelords could throw a diamond out of the time lock, it was not a good lock?

Why should the Dr fix Captain Jack up with boy from "voyage of the damned" ?

I thought that the timelord should not change people life line?

How could the the Dr travel so many places before he charged, most Dr's changed in a few minutes of dieing?

Could you any holes?”

1. There have been lots of regenerations inside the TARDIS. Don't understand the issue.

2. Don't really understand the question....... The Ood were being purposely progressed, perhaps so they were able to warn the Doctor at the correct time. Perhaps it was the work of the nice Timelady.

3. They were then 'linked' directly to the Master which enabled them to do that. Even then, it had to be something very small.

4. He wanted to reward his friends. Plus, Russel Tovey for the next series of Torchwood perhaps?

5. Jack, Donna and Luke were all present day-ish. Martha & Mickey were either present or near future. Rose was in the past, but NO past events were actually changed. Plus none of them were really significant events that bshould be 'time-locked'

6. Radiation poisioning results in a long, slow death. The Doctor only regenerated as soon as he did due to the massive exposure he received.
alienpanda
01-01-2010
Originally Posted by 1990jordan:
“I'm guessing as it was new years eve Rose was probably just a bit tipsy. She probably wouldn't remember a very short encounter like that.”

Plus it was dark and he was up against the wall so she could probably hardly see him
fastest finger
01-01-2010
Originally Posted by alienpanda:
“Plus it was dark and he was up against the wall so she could probably hardly see him”

True, plus she never really got that close to him.
poppycod
01-01-2010
Originally Posted by Karis:
“The mere fact that he had so long to regenerate speaks volumes of the lack of planning that went into this contrived episode.

He could have gone and got help for his radiation poisoning from so many places...”

Good point. It was soooooooooooooooooo strecthed out that it stretched credibility also.

And stretched my patience.

Regenerations need some power and shock to them - they shouldnt slowly come on like a bad case of flu ages after the initial problem.
haphash
01-01-2010
The whole thing seemed to have more holes than a sponge and the parts when he revisited his old companions before he regenerated were just awful.
Where were Martha and Micky supposed to be?
Who was Claire Bloom supposed to be?
Why was Captain Jack picking up a werewolf in the star wars bar?

David Tennant did his best but it's a shame his last episode was so overly sentimental and schmaltzy. It could have been moving with a lot less. I was expecting to be upset but I wasn't because it was so overblown and not that interesting.
Sorry
01-01-2010
Originally Posted by TEDR:
“I think the poster means that apparently if a Time Lord regenerates in a time machine, the time machine suddenly combusts.

Fear not: the Doctor usually regenerates in the Tardis. This time it burnt for seemingly no reason whatsoever. Like many of the things that happen in recent Doctor Who episodes.

Pertwee had time to hold himself together long enough to enter and pilot the Tardis back to Earth, and I think that also was radiation related?”

Troughton's Doc was banished to earth by the Timelords, so they probably regenerated him (probably on Gallifrey), put him in the Tardis and steered it themselves (remotely) to Earth. Pertwee's Doc found enough strength to open the tardis doors and then collapse out of them.

Probably.
tysonstorm
01-01-2010
I want Lord Bond to come back.
Mark.
01-01-2010
Originally Posted by haphash:
“Why was Captain Jack picking up a werewolf in the star wars bar?”

You're getting your series mixed up...
DS9
01-01-2010
Originally Posted by Sorry:
“Troughton's Doc was banished to earth by the Timelords, so they probably regenerated him (probably on Gallifrey), put him in the Tardis and steered it themselves (remotely) to Earth. Pertwee's Doc found enough strength to open the tardis doors and then collapse out of them.

Probably. ”

I think TEDR is talking about Pertwee's last story, iPlanet of the Spiders.
Mark.
01-01-2010
Originally Posted by DS9:
“I think TEDR is talking about Pertwee's last story, iPlanet of the Spiders.”

You do realise that with that typo, you've given Steve Jobs ideas about Mars...
Sorry
01-01-2010
Originally Posted by DS9:
“I think TEDR is talking about Pertwee's last story, iPlanet of the Spiders.”

Ah. See what you mean. Funny, though how Pertwee started by staggering out of a Tardis and ended by staggering out of a Tardis!
fraggle_bean
03-01-2010
Interestingly, Doc 10 previously was able to shake radiation out of his foot with no need to regenerate - back in Martha's first epsidoe. Shame he mysteriously lost that skill.
Muttley76
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by fraggle_bean:
“Interestingly, Doc 10 previously was able to shake radiation out of his foot with no need to regenerate - back in Martha's first epsidoe. Shame he mysteriously lost that skill.”

That was Röntgen radiation, which is rather a different kettle of fish!
TimCypher
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by fastest finger:
“6. Radiation poisioning results in a long, slow death. The Doctor only regenerated as soon as he did due to the massive exposure he received.”

Also, the Doctor can postpone regeneration to a limited extent, as established in 'The Caves Of Androzani'.

Regards,

Cypher
DavidG_UK
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by TimCypher:
“Also, the Doctor can postpone regeneration to a limited extent, as established in 'The Caves Of Androzani'.

Regards,

Cypher”

And Pertwee's Doctor having suffered fatal radiation exposure takes ages to return to Earth. Sarah and the Brigadier have almost given up on him when he finally arrives. He tells them that he got lost in the space/time vortex. So the idea of the Doctor being fatally injured but holding off regeneration as long as possible has been done twice before
TheCutoutWitch
03-01-2010
Wow have i stumbled across pedants corner?

How strange that those obsessed with realism and accuracy should be so attracted to a sci-fi show. i hope none of you have seen back to the future because that will melt your minds!
DavidG_UK
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by TheCutoutWitch:
“Wow have i stumbled across pedants corner?

How strange that those obsessed with realism and accuracy should be so attracted to a sci-fi show. i hope none of you have seen back to the future because that will melt your minds!”

lol we're just sad fan boys. Personally I couldn't care less about these apparent "plot holes" unless they're just too big and daft to ignore. I just loved to be entertained
Nick.dd
03-01-2010
ok, so if the cactus peoples ship was 100 thousand miles above Earth why were they worried and looking out for a missile attack. How long would those missiles take to get there - I think a bit less than a week.
Big Steve
03-01-2010
I discovered a big massive hole in the end of time.

The dome at the stately house. It had a 10th Doctor shape hole in it :P
Dorabella14
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by tvmad-alan:
“A Timelord must NOT regenerate in a time machine?

Odo speed in time was told why in the story?

If the Timelords could throw a diamond out of the time lock, it was not a good lock?

Why should the Dr fix Captain Jack up with boy from "voyage of the damned" ?

I thought that the timelord should not change people life line?

How could the the Dr travel so many places before he charged, most Dr's changed in a few minutes of dieing?

Could you any holes?”

Timelord not regenerate inside Time Machine ie Tardis?, check your Dr Who history.

Ood Sigma warning to Doctor of time of his death+regeneration is repaying favour for his having been very kind to them, - normally the event is totally unexpected.

Time Lords's timelock could have been broken by the antics of the Master, or by whim of scriptwriter - you choose.

What's wrong with reminding us via the bar scene that new Torchwood series coming up with new replacement character ans sidekick for Capt Harkness? I loved the Star Trek reference, esp with all the old aliens shuffling around having a good time.


Where is it stated that a TimeLord may not alter a lifeline? The Master was killed and had to be regenerated to take part in this episode. The Time Wars on Gallifrey had many Time Lords killed. As for human lifelines, well the Doctor never ceases to interfere there, usually for the better, except in Pompei, which was just too big for him.

Finally, the Doctor's "reward", thanks to the Ood warning, was that he had time to Tardis himself around to see his old buddies, with usual haphazard timing (viz to the past Rose, who didn't know him, and the future Donna getting married at last with a useful lottery ticket to pay for her future).

As the reviewer in Den of Geek said: Part II here was really for Russell Davies to say goodbye to about 6 years of excellent Dr Who, and the Tenth Doctor wrapped up his life so that the new Eleventh Doctor doesn't have to do a single soulful flashback.

In fact, the path is wide open to the new Dr Who production team to take the series to places where even Heineken beer cannot reach!! roll on Spring 2010!!
Johna456
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by Rooks:
“Why was the Doctor able to shake off regeneration in Journey's End but not in this episode? Both were fatal enough to cause regeneration.”

because there was no spare hand to vent the energy into
Zeg
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by TheCutoutWitch:
“Wow have i stumbled across pedants corner?

How strange that those obsessed with realism and accuracy should be so attracted to a sci-fi show. i hope none of you have seen back to the future because that will melt your minds!”

Actually Back to the Future is how a time travel story should be, it's brilliant, 3 full length films and not a plot hole in sight.

If you want something to melt your mind try Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea
Johna456
03-01-2010
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“So, when Eccleston regenerated into Tennant, why didn't Rose say 'Oi! Oy remembers ya! Oy saws ya abart a yeer aga!'”

Coz it end of time part 2 wasn't written yet
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