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Old 01-01-2010, 21:48
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I started an earlier thread about Steeleye Span, who I'd not heard of before and they've done this song but used a dead old tune I recognise as a kid from school but I just can't get it... anyone know what it is ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsjgaGPU-PY

Its not a great song, unlike some of Steeleye Spans stuff I've found, and the recording on youtube is well dodgy but hopefully you'll be able to tell me...
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Old 01-01-2010, 21:55
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Sounds like the old hymn "To be a Pilgrim" to me in parts.
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Old 01-01-2010, 21:58
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Yes sounds like that to me too.

Found this
http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de...strangers.html

This song is a tragic military montage of three songs segued together against layers of percussive over-dubbing. The results were both experimental and exciting. The chorus is from Our Captain Cried All Hands, which can be found e.g. on Martin Carthy's album Byker Hill.
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Old 01-01-2010, 22:01
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According to this the Chorus is from our captain cried all hands which in turn is based on the tune of the hymn He who would valiant be
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Old 01-01-2010, 22:29
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Cheers, yeh I was thinking of 'To be a pilgrim'.. looks like that, 'Our Captain Cried All Hands' and 'He who would Valiant be' have all got the same tune ! Very strange

Thanks everyone.
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Old 01-01-2010, 22:35
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Cheers, yeh I was thinking of 'To be a pilgrim'.. looks like that, 'Our Captain Cried All Hands' and 'He who would Valiant be' have all got the same tune ! Very strange

Thanks everyone.
The tune is a traditional Sussex melody "Monk's Gate" :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_be_a_Pilgrim
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Old 02-01-2010, 00:06
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It's very very common in traditional and folk music for familiar melodies to be used for many different songs; Bob Dylan was a great adaptor of traditional tunes on many of his earliest songs, for example.
I'd not heard this Steeleye Span track before, but I really like it. I find the drum machine irritating, though.
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Old 02-01-2010, 00:22
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I've just discovered Steeleye Span.. this isnt one of my favourites, its not 'driving' enough and you're right about the drums.

You know if Steeleye Span used other tunes, or if anyone else used any of theirs ?.. the start and end of Long Lankin seem dead familiar too
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Old 02-01-2010, 00:25
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I've just discovered Steeleye Span.. this isnt one of my favourites, its not 'driving' enough and you're right about the drums.

You know if Steeleye Span used other tunes, or if anyone else used any of theirs ?.. the start and end of Long Lankin seem dead familiar too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamkin
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Old 02-01-2010, 00:33
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not listening to the links (system turned off)

the melody for 'to be a pilgrim' was used for 'fighting for strangers' ...

oops/.... see thats what it was
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Old 02-01-2010, 01:13
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It's very very common in traditional and folk music for familiar melodies to be used for many different songs; Bob Dylan was a great adaptor of traditional tunes on many of his earliest songs, for example.
Another American who "borrowed" a Martin Carthy arrangement - "Lord Franklin" for his own song "Bob Dylan's Dream" .....
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