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Why am I the only one?
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Warming
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by sigsig:
“I like it because it doesn't take itself too seriously. ”

It doesn't take itself serious period and as such it doesn't take the audience or its job serios - perhaps that is why its so much rubbish.

But I guess its emo, and it strikes a chord with so many people because when you get right down to it, most of them are emos.

But scifi, don't make me laugh.
The_Cuckoo
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“see at the top of the page it reads

Cult>Doctor Who and Torchwood

It's not connected to the tv programmes forum at all.”

See Digital Spy's own description "Entertainment, showbiz and digital TV discussions on the Digital Spy Forums."

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“I am trying to get my brain around why anyone that hates Doctor Who would even come in here in the first places. I don't like football so I don't go to that forum and ask them if i'm the only one that doesn't like football. QED.”

A simple concept for most people to understand. But yes, it does seem to be a collective problem most people have here. For all your sorry rantings and hot air, not one of you can answer a simple question. This is a 'discussion forum'.

You know what's even more ironic. All this sorry whining and stupid questions asking why I'm asking a question. Here's one for all of you, if you hate me so much because I don't like your rubbish little TV programme, why are you:

a) Reading this thread?
b) Replying to it?
Crowfoot
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by kenda11:
“wow...breathe, calm down and go comment on something you like....it'll make you feel better. what did you expect coming onto a dr who forum and asking "why do you watch when i think its crap"”

Originally Posted by stafs:
“Actually, it's not. This forum is a sub forum of Cult which is in the Entertainment section. TV Programs is a separate forum in the Entertainment section. It was specifically set up for fans of all things Doctor Who to discuss the programmes and related media.

You might as well have walked into a gay bar and stated reasons why you don't like homosexuals.”

EXACTLY. There are plenty of popular shows that I don't like but you don't see me going to a dedicated forum to say "why do you like such crap?" It's rude, frankly. You could easily have said "I like a lot of sci-fi but have never gotten into Doctor Who. Some have criticized it's quality of sci-fi (wobbly sets etc). I'm curious, why do you like it so much? What is the appeal?"

You see? Asks the question without the insulting framing of "why do you like crap?"
kenda11
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by The_Cuckoo:
“See Digital Spy's own description "Entertainment, showbiz and digital TV discussions on the Digital Spy Forums."



A simple concept for most people to understand. But yes, it does seem to be a collective problem most people have here. For all your sorry rantings and hot air, not one of you can answer a simple question. This is a 'discussion forum'.

You know what's even more ironic. All this sorry whining and stupid questions asking why I'm asking a question. Here's one for all of you, if you hate me so much because I don't like your rubbish little TV programme, why are you:

a) Reading this thread?
b) Replying to it?”

if you hate dr who so much...why are you posting in its fan forum????
Rorschach
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by The_Cuckoo:
“It's perhaps an interesting indicator that people here haven't got the intelligence to differentiate between a comment that is meant to be taken liteterally or not. Perhaps that's why Dr.Who appeals to you so much.

Carry on making pointless remarks. You're clearly no capable of answering a simple quesiton.”

I find it interesting that some people can't spot sarcasm unless it is highlighted and underlined for them with a .

Carry on making humourless put downs. You're clearly not capable of holding a pleasant conversation.

As for it "appealing to me so much" how on Earth are you so up to date with my individual tastes, likes and dislikes? Or are you, shock, horror, making a huge crass generalisation?

It is also interesting that you believe that your "simple question" actually requires an answer.

Question - "Why am I the only person in the whole world who thinks Doctor Who is terrible?"

Answer - "Clearly, with only a few seconds of thought it would be clear to you that you are not. Millions like it, millions do not. Just like every other television programme/food/music/book/colour/fashion/country/animal/woman in the world. It is not therefore remarkable in any way whatsoever."

Question answered. Happy now?
harvey96
02-01-2010
What is the point of that? Starting a thread saying how much you hate Doctor Who, and you even posted it in the Doctor Who section. I'm pretty sure most of the people who visit this section are fans of the show. If you don't like it then don't watch it.
sigsig
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by Warming:
“It doesn't take itself serious period and as such it doesn't take the audience or its job serios - perhaps that is why its so much rubbish.

But I guess its emo, and it strikes a chord with so many people because when you get right down to it, most of them are emos.

But scifi, don't make me laugh.”

Fair enough, you've turned my wicked ways around. What shall we recategorise it as, in place of scifi?

Whether you like it or not, its about time travel in space, aliens, etc. And I smell a no true scotsman argument. There's not 'real' scifi and 'fake' scifi. Its registered as the longest running scifi program in the world! Its gotta be doing something right for some people...
Seventeen
02-01-2010
I just looked through his previous posts and all he does it go around this forum telling people he doesn't like this and that.

Oh here's something popular that I don't like. I better go tell everyone because they simply must know that I don't like the same things as them. You don't like Doctor Who. Why why why do you need to let us know?

Yes, it's an open discussion. You can and have posted that you don't like the show. I just don't understand your motivation. It's like you have a problem with us liking the show.
kenda11
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by sigsig:
“Fair enough, you've turned my wicked ways around. What shall we recategorise it as, in place of scifi?

Whether you like it or not, its about time travel in space, aliens, etc. And I smell a no true scotsman argument. There's not 'real' scifi and 'fake' scifi. Its registered as the longest running scifi program in the world! Its gotta be doing something right for some people...”

i was under the impression that a programme consisting of a time traveling alien with two hearts with the ability to regenerate into a new person....spending his time fighting various different alien species and saving the world, galaxy, universe, reality, etc was classified as sci-fi....i am now very confused
sigsig
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by kenda11:
“i was under the impression that a programme consisting of a time traveling alien with two hearts with the ability to regenerate into a new person....spending his time fighting various different alien species and saving the world, galaxy, universe, reality, etc was classified as sci-fi....i am now very confused”

Either I need to be clearer with my sarcasm...

Or I need to recognise sarcasm better

BARROWMAN!! *shakes fist*
kenda11
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by sigsig:
“Either I need to be clearer with my sarcasm...

Or I need to recognise sarcasm better

BARROWMAN!! *shakes fist*”

that one
Friskysquirt
02-01-2010
Ooh, lets play

My best friend in the whole world hates Doctor Who with a passion. If I so much as mention a Dalek or say Gallifrey he gets a scary look in his eyes and I fear he will start screaming.

He thinks David Tennant is the worst actor ever. I intend to rectify this issue tomorrow by showing him the Hamlet "To be or not to be" speech compared to my my beloved Kenneth Branagh's version. Branagh best British actor of current times IMO but Tennant just blasted him away with one piece of monologue. But yeah, Tennant not the best actor.

He also thinks the plots are cheesy, the monsters not scary and the the programme as a whole is laughable.

However he loves Star Wars, more than anything on the planet. I personally believe Star Wars is an overrated pile of dog's business. I don't expect anybody to sit down and explain to me why a large amount of the population loves it. I like Alien more than Aliens as too and I don't really want me people to explain to me why that's wrong!

If you don't like it then fine, come bitch about it. Just don't expect me to explain why I adore it. I do because I do, end of. Just as I don't expect to go to ilovestarwars dot com and have people convince be that a gay gold robot is good. I will make people angry and go away feeling the same way as I did before.

Edited for a million typos :P
bradleybarlow
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by The_Cuckoo:
“Why am I the only person in the whole world, that thinks Dr. WHO is terrible?

I'm a huge sci-fi fan, and I think the idea of Dr. WHO is brilliant. I stopped watching ages ago because I thought it was so crummy, but decided to give the last two episodes a go, and I thought it was one of the worst things I'd ever seen!

I honestly can't see why so many people enjoy it so much. I think the plots are unoriginal and unimaginative and clearly written by someone who clearly has very little grasp of science fiction, the editing is abysmal - everything seems to get dragged out endlessly, the dialogue is equally uninspiring, the sets looks rubbish, and the acting is far from anything impressive.

When I see so many great sci-fi series out there, I find Dr. WHO embarrassing at best by comparison. What makes so many people watch?”

I'm going to respond your post as diplomatically and sincerely as possible because, according to your successive responses, you have yet to receive a satisfactory response to your initial post.

Obviously your "am I the only one..." comment isn't meant literally so I shan't reply to it accept to say it's down to personal opinions and taste - personally, I love a range of programmes: Doctor Who, anything by Charlie Brooker, 30 Rock, Lost, Life On Mars to name a few. Maybe not particularly highbrow but I'm sure you'd agree a fairly broad range of stuff.

The whole concept of Doctor Who is indeed fantastic - a hero with numerous lifelines, a universe of enemies and civilizations etc. At what point did you start watching? And when did you stop? The last two episodes certainly weren't the finest since 2005 but, for many, I think they were spectacular enough yet poetic to please hardcore fans and occasional viewers alike. Similarly, I wouldn't say it was Russell T Davies' finest writing either, but I think to say it's one of the worst things you've ever seen is a huge disservice to something that has been created with love, admiration and respect for it's 40-odd year history.

Might I ask why you say it is unoriginal? I don't watch too much sci-fi so the occasional accusations of "Buffy rip off" etc pass me by. I agree that the end of part one of End of Time lasted waaaay too long, and there have been a few times where poor editing decision have been made, but I think that the nearly 60 episodes of Doctor Who since 2005 have been a triumph - Blink, Girl in the Fireplace, The Stolen Earth, Turn Left, Midnight are just a few memorable episodes that I think rank as some of the best hours of TV.

On the accusation of unimpressive acting, I'd like you to name some examples of "impressive acting"? I don't tend to get too emotive whilst watching TV, but there have been a couple of times while watching Doctor Who that David Tennant's performances have made me shed a tear, left me heartbroken and filled me with joy - surely the mark of a great actor?

I think that when you say it's written by someone with no grasp of Sci Fi kinda misses the point. Any drama, any GOOD drama (be it period, soap or sci fi) is, essentially, about relationships - between a police officer and the killer he is hunting; the woman searching for her missing child; the family sharing their home with an alien. A good writer, a good drama, should transcend genre and allow the viewer to relate in some way to what they are witnessing. I may not entirely understand what a paradox machine is, or what Deus ex Machina means, but I DO understand how it feels to be torn away from someone you love, how you sometimes have to make a heartbreaking decision, or how good it feels to sometimes just escape. A good writer should connect with an audience regardless of genre.

I can't pretend to tell you why so many people watch Doctor Who, but I hope that my post explains in some way why I watch it and that, because I've given your original post some respect, you will do me the same.
Serif
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by The_Cuckoo:
“See Digital Spy's own description "Entertainment, showbiz and digital TV discussions on the Digital Spy Forums."



A simple concept for most people to understand. But yes, it does seem to be a collective problem most people have here. For all your sorry rantings and hot air, not one of you can answer a simple question. This is a 'discussion forum'.

You know what's even more ironic. All this sorry whining and stupid questions asking why I'm asking a question. Here's one for all of you, if you hate me so much because I don't like your rubbish little TV programme, why are you:

a) Reading this thread?
b) Replying to it?”

Because you've intentionally come into a forum and started posting shit about how you hate the programe, and yu're whining responses are making it look as if it's US who's stormed onto your board and demanded we rape your family, you plank.

In response to your original question, I love Doctor Who because it is simply one of, if not THE BEST EVER long-running science-fiction programmes. The beauty with sci-fi is that it doesn't have to make sense, it can be as ludicrous as you want it to be, and you can still get a conceivable plot-line out of it.

The acting is sometimes amazing, and sometimes it's utter garbage. I think Tenant is the best portrayer of the doctor perhaps ever, if not very closely behind Tom Baker. He got everything right, in my eyes, and for his acting skills, he salvaged many scenes that would've sunk with other actors portraying the role, and made good scenes even better. Magical, even.

I love the villains. I love the companions. I love the history. I love the mystery of why he's called 'The doctor', and what really happened in the great time war.

I love the programme, because it gives me the opportunity to release myself from the stresses of everyday life for 45 minutes.

I love the programme because it allows me to escape from people like you.
bradleybarlow
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by Serif:
“yu're whining responses are making it look as if it's US who's stormed onto your board and demanded we rape your family, you plank. ”

I know it's easy to get riled, but you need to be careful mate - I think that kinda language can get people binned off here...? :-S
The_Cuckoo
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by Crowfoot:
“EXACTLY. There are plenty of popular shows that I don't like but you don't see me going to a dedicated forum to say "why do you like such crap?" It's rude, frankly. You could easily have said "I like a lot of sci-fi but have never gotten into Doctor Who. Some have criticized it's quality of sci-fi (wobbly sets etc). I'm curious, why do you like it so much? What is the appeal?"

You see? Asks the question without the insulting framing of "why do you like crap?"”

ANd yet you go on a thread you don't like and post on it?
The_Cuckoo
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by Rorschach:
“I find it interesting that some people can't spot sarcasm unless it is highlighted and underlined for them with a .”

Oh, is that what you were trying to do?

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“Carry on making humourless put downs. You're clearly not capable of holding a pleasant conversation.”

Oh, you were trying to hold a conversation were you?

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“As for it "appealing to me so much" how on Earth are you so up to date with my individual tastes, likes and dislikes? Or are you, shock, horror, making a huge crass generalisation?”

Why else would you go into an emo rage over a simple quesiton?

Quote:
“It is also interesting that you believe that your "simple question" actually requires an answer.”

I'd ask you to explain that, but I think you would have already if it wasn't anything other then another pointless remark.

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“Question - "Why am I the only person in the whole world who thinks Doctor Who is terrible?"

Answer - "Clearly, with only a few seconds of thought it would be clear to you that you are not. Millions like it, millions do not. Just like every other television programme/food/music/book/colour/fashion/country/animal/woman in the world. It is not therefore remarkable in any way whatsoever."

Question answered. Happy now? ”

If you read the whole post, and were capable of actually extracting what the driving question was, it was WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE IT? Doesn't surprise me that you missed that.
The_Cuckoo
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by Seventeen:
“I just looked through his previous posts and all he does it go around this forum telling people he doesn't like this and that.

Oh here's something popular that I don't like. I better go tell everyone because they simply must know that I don't like the same things as them. You don't like Doctor Who. Why why why do you need to let us know?

Yes, it's an open discussion. You can and have posted that you don't like the show. I just don't understand your motivation. It's like you have a problem with us liking the show.”

I want to know why anyone would think that pathetic excuse for entertainment is so brilliant. It's a simple enough question, which everyone here has shown to be incapable of answering. Maybe because it really is just a pathetic excuse for entertainment.
Seventeen
02-01-2010
I've reported you for coming in here and clearly just arguing with people for no reason. It's up to DS staff if it's okay or not though as I'm unsure if it breaks a specific rule. I suggest nobody else bother responding to the guy.
clacker2005
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by The_Cuckoo:
“I want to know why anyone would think that pathetic excuse for entertainment is so brilliant. It's a simple enough question, which everyone here has shown to be incapable of answering. Maybe because it really is just a pathetic excuse for entertainment.”

No offence meant AT ALL.

Its because you are lacking in imagination.
dvirgo
02-01-2010
you see it all depends on how old you are and how long you've been watching the show. You see this TV show is one of the longest running tV programs of all time and like james Bond, sherlock Holmes,its a british institution.

Its doesn't want to be start trek or BSG if it was it would have never had lasted as long as it does. The Character of the doctor has been with us since 1963 and will be remade and relaunched forever. My Doctor was Tom Baker although all media these days will suggest David Tennant has taken that crown I would contend that the majority of his fans are new fans since 2005 and didn't experience the full baker years ( The public was as upset about his regeneration into peter Davison)

Anyway Its a family show that you grow up with. Your children enjoy it and you remember being 8 years old wanting the doctor to defeat the enemy. Its much more than TV series its a rite of passage and remember its one of the only shows that have been brought back by public demand. I think the real appeal Of doctor who is that its acessible to all those people who don't like sci-fi. my wife used to ridicule me for loving the show but with its new incarnations she is crying like a baby at one doctor changing into another actor. You mother and father, grandfather and sister will sit down on xmas day and watch a man flying a police box. I can bet that no other TV sc-fi show would get the ratings whether it be star trek,BSG etc.

Basically, Doctor who is popular because its silly and fun. and you don't have to be a nerd to watch it. whereas many people who watch other more sci-fi like shows would consider the intrusion of popularity a curse anyway.
dvirgo
02-01-2010
you see it all depends on how old you are and how long you've been watching the show. You see this TV show is one of the longest running tV programs of all time and like james Bond, sherlock Holmes,its a british institution.

Its doesn't want to be start trek or BSG if it was it would have never had lasted as long as it does. The Character of the doctor has been with us since 1963 and will be remade and relaunched forever. My Doctor was Tom Baker although all media these days will suggest David Tennant has taken that crown I would contend that the majority of his fans are new fans since 2005 and didn't experience the full baker years ( The public was as upset about his regeneration into peter Davison)

Anyway Its a family show that you grow up with. Your children enjoy it and you remember being 8 years old wanting the doctor to defeat the enemy. Its much more than TV series its a rite of passage and remember its one of the only shows that have been brought back by public demand. I think the real appeal Of doctor who is that its acessible to all those people who don't like sci-fi. my wife used to ridicule me for loving the show but with its new incarnations she is crying like a baby at one doctor changing into another actor. You mother and father, grandfather and sister will sit down on xmas day and watch a man flying a police box. I can bet that no other TV sc-fi show would get the ratings whether it be star trek,BSG etc.

Basically, Doctor who is popular because its silly and fun. and you don't have to be a nerd to watch it. whereas many people who watch other more sci-fi like shows would consider the intrusion of popularity a curse anyway.
Crowfoot
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by Seventeen:
“I've reported you for coming in here and clearly just arguing with people for no reason. It's up to DS staff if it's okay or not though as I'm unsure if it breaks a specific rule. I suggest nobody else bother responding to the guy.”

I was going to respond, but I think you're right. So I'll just quote for emphasis. This is classic trolling.
Rorschach
02-01-2010
Originally Posted by The_Cuckoo:
“Oh, is that what you were trying to do?”

Oh I see. You are trying to be superior and patronising.

Originally Posted by The_Cuckoo:
“Oh, you were trying to hold a conversation were you?”

One person says something. The other person says something. They repeat. Yup looks like it to me.

Originally Posted by The_Cuckoo:
“Why else would you go into an emo rage over a simple quesiton?”

Again you claim complete knowledge of my frame of mind. Remarkable. The answer to this question is because the programme I was watching still had an hour to go and I was passing the time (and that programme wasn't even Doctor Who. I haven't bothered to watch that yet. Which is odd seeing as how you believe it "appeals to me so much").

Originally Posted by The_Cuckoo:
“I'd ask you to explain that, but I think you would have already if it wasn't anything other then another pointless remark.”

See below...

Originally Posted by The_Cuckoo:
“If you read the whole post, and were capable of actually extracting what the driving question was, it was WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE IT? Doesn't surprise me that you missed that.”

And yet I did answer that, as have many other people, and yet you seem to missed that. Which DOES surprise me because you even went to the trouble to quote my answer and yet still didn't apparently read it.

I shall try to set it out very clearly, since you obviously can't handle anything other than the simplest of language.

Some people like it, some do not. Whilst your vastly over-inflated ego would like it to be the fact that you are the only person in existance with the intelligence to see Doctor Who for the piece of trash that it is (I am sure you could be much, much better), this is not in fact the case. Even in the UK, let alone the rest of the world, there are far more people not watching Doctor Who than are. Just like there are more people not buying the number one single in the UK than are.

As with everything else in existance it's a matter of personal taste. One person cannot truly explain to another why they like Marmite / Tony Hancock / Escape to Victory / X-Factor / Cofee with three sugars / Salvador Dali / following Fulham / Doctor Who / Keira Knightley because the answer is "because I do".

If they gave more details such as the writing is great you would say no it isn't. If they said the humour made them laugh you would say no it doesn't. And so on and so on.

They are not right, and you are not right. Then again you would both be.

Reasonable, intelligent people understand that personal tastes vary. They also understand that they are not the centre of the universe and they may, on occassion, even find themselves in the minority.
Rorschach
02-01-2010
Double post.
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